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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 12:24:00 GMT
Just do one if that is your level of debate. It wasn't I who proved you are not worth debating with. No, but it was you who proved that you are not worth debating with. And are proving it still.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2022 12:26:39 GMT
Another thread going over the same old demonising of pensioners who might have worked hard and done well. Pensioners are the new ‘ benefit scroungers’ for lefties who have nothing better to do than find new victims and villains. If pensions and benefits are restricted for pensioners who have decent pensions then there will be less incentive for people to put money into pension funds ..so less will put money in and the ones that do might be tempted to save less . Not the rich people but the people with decent jobs . Also if the lefties have their way ,all pensioners will need to be regularly audited to find out if they qualify for benefits or higher wages. Fuck me , we’ve gone through this before . There are lefties out there that would ban rubber dinghies because some rich people own yachts .
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 31, 2022 12:29:39 GMT
£5million per day for the boat people, for a srefugees Oh and thats been hapoening since when and have you got any proof of the 5million per day spent on refugees apart from the daily mail.?
No I don't (I suspect that it's way more than that) but I do know exactly how much the boat people have contributed to UK welfare because that's a big fat zero.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 12:32:29 GMT
Another thread going over the same old demonising of pensioners who might have worked hard and done well. Pensioners are the new ‘ benefit scroungers’ for lefties who have nothing better to do than find new victims and villains. If pensions and benefits are restricted for pensioners who have decent pensions then there will be less incentive for people to put money into pension funds ..so less will put money in and the ones that do might be tempted to save less . Not the rich people but the people with decent jobs . Also if the lefties have their way ,all pensioners will need to be regularly audited to find out if they qualify for benefits or higher wages. Fuck me , we’ve gone through this before . There are lefties out there that would ban rubber dinghies because some rich people own yachts . Nonsense. If pensioners have worked hard and done well and secured the resources to live comfortably in their later years, no one is taking that away from them, But they surely don't need taxpayer funded handouts as well if they are so well off? The less well off ones of course still do. It is not pensioners who are being demonised but a system that gives handouts to well off people who don't need them, and those amongst them who selfishly argue in favour of this when they are happy to demonise everyone else
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 12:34:33 GMT
Oh and thats been hapoening since when and have you got any proof of the 5million per day spent on refugees apart from the daily mail.?
No I don't (I suspect that it's way more than that) but I do know exactly how much the boat people have contributed to UK welfare because that's a big fat zero.
The fact that they are banned from working whilst their claims are being assessed might have something to do with that. The fruit farms could certainly use their labour. If it were not illegal.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2022 12:43:11 GMT
Another thread going over the same old demonising of pensioners who might have worked hard and done well. Pensioners are the new ‘ benefit scroungers’ for lefties who have nothing better to do than find new victims and villains. If pensions and benefits are restricted for pensioners who have decent pensions then there will be less incentive for people to put money into pension funds ..so less will put money in and the ones that do might be tempted to save less . Not the rich people but the people with decent jobs . Also if the lefties have their way ,all pensioners will need to be regularly audited to find out if they qualify for benefits or higher wages. Fuck me , we’ve gone through this before . There are lefties out there that would ban rubber dinghies because some rich people own yachts . Nonsense. If pensioners have worked hard and done well and secured the resources to live comfortably in their later years, no one is taking that away from them, But they surely don't need taxpayer funded handouts as well if they are so well off? The less well off ones of course still do. It is not pensioners who are being demonised but a system that gives handouts to well off people who don't need them, and those amongst them who selfishly argue in favour of this when they are happy to demonise everyone else Nonsense. Working people will be disincentivised to save into pensions over what they calculate to the point that you lefties deem them to be well off. All if this amounts to the leftie wet dream of equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. Why should the pensioner who has a decent annuity ( subject to tax)or a decent draw down pension ( 75% subject to tax) lose out on some benefits or a lesser state pension? Also as pointed out and ignored by you..how is this going to be calculated and imposed? Do your hated pensioners need to be subject for an audit for each ‘ perk’ lost or a general yearly audit for all benefits? virtue signalling and politics of envy ….
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 12:51:18 GMT
Nonsense. If pensioners have worked hard and done well and secured the resources to live comfortably in their later years, no one is taking that away from them, But they surely don't need taxpayer funded handouts as well if they are so well off? The less well off ones of course still do. It is not pensioners who are being demonised but a system that gives handouts to well off people who don't need them, and those amongst them who selfishly argue in favour of this when they are happy to demonise everyone else Nonsense. Working people will be disincentivised to save into pensions over what they calculate to the point that you lefties deem them to be well off. All if this amounts to the leftie wet dream of equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. Why should the pensioner who has a decent annuity ( subject to tax)or a decent draw down pension ( 75% subject to tax) lose out on some benefits or a lesser state pension? Also as pointed out and ignored by you..how is this going to be calculated and imposed? Do your hated pensioners need to be subject for an audit for each ‘ perk’ lost or a general yearly audit for all benefits? virtue signalling and politics of envy …. Nonsense. Are you really trying to suggest that the absence of free handouts will disincentivise the better off from providing themselves with a good pension? Pull the other one.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 31, 2022 12:52:08 GMT
No I don't (I suspect that it's way more than that) but I do know exactly how much the boat people have contributed to UK welfare because that's a big fat zero.
The fact that they are banned from working whilst their claims are being assessed might have something to do with that. The fruit farms could certainly use their labour. If it were not illegal.
Ah yes, let's pay for them first and just hope they repay it later.
Meanwhile, let's steal from pensioners who've already paid... Time and again.
Arse about face lefty thinking, as usual.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2022 12:59:57 GMT
Nonsense. Working people will be disincentivised to save into pensions over what they calculate to the point that you lefties deem them to be well off. All if this amounts to the leftie wet dream of equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. Why should the pensioner who has a decent annuity ( subject to tax)or a decent draw down pension ( 75% subject to tax) lose out on some benefits or a lesser state pension? Also as pointed out and ignored by you..how is this going to be calculated and imposed? Do your hated pensioners need to be subject for an audit for each ‘ perk’ lost or a general yearly audit for all benefits? virtue signalling and politics of envy …. Nonsense. Are you really trying to suggest that the absence of free handouts will disincentivise the better off from providing themselves with a good pension? Pull the other one. Depends on what you call free handouts . Are you only talking about free prescriptions and occasional heating payments? I suspect that you lefties will go for a higher tax all round ie making all of the pension pot taxable and reducing the state pension for people with other incomes that lefties think make them ‘ rich’.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2022 13:01:55 GMT
The great leveller would be to significantly raise the age that you can claim a state pension . Something I suspect that the lefties will dismiss as it would affect them , rather than someone else of whom they envy.
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 31, 2022 13:25:07 GMT
Ha hayou keep calling them who want a fairier tax sysfem or state pension system what envy about that. simple question for you Bentley do you think its fair the rich get richer and the poor get poorier?
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Post by see2 on Dec 31, 2022 13:54:32 GMT
Ha hayou keep calling them who want a fairier tax sysfem or state pension system what envy about that. simple question for you Bentley do you think its fair the rich get richer and the poor get poorier? Well I don't, but I do believe that millions of pensioners on reasonable pensions and a small Bank account are very vulnerable financially. It wouldn't take much to wipe them out financially.
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Post by bancroft on Dec 31, 2022 14:03:17 GMT
Parties generally don't like to bring in measures that hit pensioners as most will vote, the Grey vote.
Means testing for me makes sense, though will cost to bring in yet the more we can reduce state dependency the better.
As SRBxxx has said too many on low incomes were not able to get on the property ladder and so paying rent in their pension age.
The other thing about raising pension age is that women will get the pension at the same age as men in the relatively near future.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2022 14:14:08 GMT
Ha hayou keep calling them who want a fairier tax sysfem or state pension system what envy about that. simple question for you Bentley do you think its fair the rich get richer and the poor get poorier? ‘ Fairer’ is a subjective concept . I don’t trust politics of envy or the leftie equality of outcome Utopia. What will start from stopping free prescriptions and heating allowance will end with ordinary people who worked hard and did well having their pension pot subject to full taxation and their state pensions being fixed or reduced subject to the value of their houses.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2022 14:15:58 GMT
Ha hayou keep calling them who want a fairier tax sysfem or state pension system what envy about that. simple question for you Bentley do you think its fair the rich get richer and the poor get poorier? Well I don't, but I do believe that millions of pensioners on reasonable pensions and a small Bank account are very vulnerable financially. It wouldn't take much to wipe them out financially. Indeed. These are the people that I fear will be the target of the usual suspects . If not now then some time in the near future .
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