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Post by Pacifico on Dec 27, 2022 11:35:21 GMT
I totally agree with your point about taxation - it is the height of lunacy to believe you need to have a 'minimum' wage and they take some of that wage away in taxation. Tax thresholds need raising - however when someone suggests doing exactly that they are attacked for not being progressive. Usually by those who fundamentally support the idea of a minimum wage..  AFAIA the standard Personal Allowance is £12,570 before tax, surely the minimum wage is lower than that ? Minimum wage is £19,760 |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 27, 2022 11:38:50 GMT
I totally agree with your point about taxation - it is the height of lunacy to believe you need to have a 'minimum' wage and they take some of that wage away in taxation. Tax thresholds need raising - however when someone suggests doing exactly that they are attacked for not being progressive. Usually by those who fundamentally support the idea of a minimum wage.. AFAIA the standard Personal Allowance is £12,570 before tax, surely the minimum wage is lower than that ? Depends on how many hours you work. If you work full time hours, then from April minimum wage will be just over £21,000. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 27, 2022 12:00:37 GMT
The minimum wage per week is actually £zero. As sadly a lot of people are about to find out because some employers won't be able to afford to pay that £21k and the government is going to realise its policy of making employers pay for its social failings is going to bite it in the backside.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 27, 2022 12:15:21 GMT
I totally agree with your point about taxation - it is the height of lunacy to believe you need to have a 'minimum' wage and they take some of that wage away in taxation. Tax thresholds need raising - however when someone suggests doing exactly that they are attacked for not being progressive. Usually by those who fundamentally support the idea of a minimum wage.. AFAIA the standard Personal Allowance is £12,570 before tax, surely the minimum wage is lower than that ? I’m delighted you think so The NMW for an adult not in an apprenticeship is £9.50 an hour according to a gov.uk site. The assembly line workers being paid that at the automotive parts company I left in 2020 worked 48 hour shifts (the max allowed under the working time directive) and their contracts gave them 20 days holiday which came out of the money they earned in the 48 weeks they worked On my calculator on this phone 9.5 x 48 x 48 is around twenty one and a half k, nine thousand more than the tax threshold. So the lowest legally paid workers doing their utmost the only way they can get slapped with a tax bill approaching what £1800 and then there’s NI on top of that. Did you not realise this ?? My eldest has been paying tax on her NMW jobs for at least a decade. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 27, 2022 12:17:03 GMT
People always say that if, or almost certainly when, Scotland becomes independent and goes away as its own country what is then left of the UK would always be Tory... I don't see how - there are very few Labour or Tory MPs in Scotland now.
The days of Scottish MPs being kingmakers are long gone. Hence why Scotland has become increasingly irrelevant to Westminster.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 27, 2022 14:11:26 GMT
People always say that if, or almost certainly when, Scotland becomes independent and goes away as its own country what is then left of the UK would always be Tory... I don't see how - there are very few Labour or Tory MPs in Scotland now.
The days of Scottish MPs being kingmakers are long gone. Hence why Scotland has become increasingly irrelevant to Westminster.
I looked back (thanks Wikipedia) at the breakdown by party affiliation of the MPs sent to Westminster from the 1960s to the present day and while I agree with your assertion that in recent years the numbers of labour and Tory MPs are almost irrelevant, I have yet to see Sturgeons London based provisional wing align itself to the tories and in years past where there were a significant number of Scottish Tory MPs they were well outnumbered by other parties all of whom would align against the tories. To that end Scottish Independence would have seriously improved the Tory majority in London by the simple measure of removing a large number of opposition MPs. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 14:55:02 GMT
AFAIA the standard Personal Allowance is £12,570 before tax, surely the minimum wage is lower than that ? Minimum wage is £19,760 Correct, and you are right, it doesn't make sense to tax it at 20%. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 27, 2022 15:05:35 GMT
Correct, and you are right, it doesn't make sense to tax it at 20%. Doesn't change the fact halfwit, that the original thread starter was based on nothing but fantasy. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 27, 2022 15:46:34 GMT
Doesn't change the fact halfwit, that the original thread starter was based on nothing but fantasy. Err those that read and understood the thread starter know it used a quote from a site of provenance. Maybe you didn't read it, you can find it at the very top of page 1 |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 15:47:39 GMT
Correct, and you are right, it doesn't make sense to tax it at 20%. Doesn't change the fact halfwit, that the original thread starter was based on nothing but fantasy. Nor does it change the fact that you are still the ignorant little twit you have always been  |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 27, 2022 15:49:35 GMT
Doesn't change the fact halfwit, that the original thread starter was based on nothing but fantasy. Nor does it change the fact that you are still the ignorant little twit you have always been Neither does it change the fact that using it as an excuse for trolling your fantasies count for anything. |
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Post by patman post on Dec 27, 2022 15:57:30 GMT
The Tories deserve a good kicking after Cameron’s inept handling of the In-Out referendum, May’s inability to operate, Johnson’s lying and disastrous leadership over Covid, and the imposition of Thick Lizzie. I hope they learn their lesson quickly before the next election or, if not, Labour are able to put together a competent team to bring the U.K. back to its senses…You were doing OK until you got to the bolded bit, none of the three main parties even have a competent team. So — what can you see happening or, even hope would happen…? |
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Post by patman post on Dec 27, 2022 16:03:17 GMT
The Tories deserve a good kicking after Cameron’s inept handling of the In-Out referendum, May’s inability to operate, Johnson’s lying and disastrous leadership over Covid, and the imposition of Thick Lizzie. I hope they learn their lesson quickly before the next election or, if not, Labour are able to put together a competent team to bring the U.K. back to its senses… Piss off - the current shadow Foreign Secretary thinks that women can grow a Cervix. If that is an example of competence then you are more out of touch with reality than he is. The bold text is out of context — it’s prefaced with I Hope. What do you hope for…? |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 16:09:08 GMT
Nor does it change the fact that you are still the ignorant little twit you have always been Neither does it change the fact that using it as an excuse for trolling your fantasies count for anything. As you are back in the schoolyard, I'll leave you to it |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 27, 2022 16:10:19 GMT
You were doing OK until you got to the bolded bit, none of the three main parties even have a competent team. So — what can you see happening or, even hope would happen…? I do not think there is a general problem with competency and I am sure all parties could throw together a half competent team. What does worry me though is what are the policies. We know they have lied their backsides off since the sixties and that now seems to be worse in that many direct pledges are made and several are jettisoned almost immediately they get into office. The last one to do as she said she would in general terms was Thatcher whether you agree with what she did or not. Now we really have no idea what they will agree with International partners for the greatest 'good' around the world and we could be voting in anyone who would agree to clothe us in sackcloth and ban us from all sorts of things. We do seem to be in the post democratic age with just us going through the motions every few years. |
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