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Post by borchester on Dec 23, 2022 20:35:19 GMT
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 25, 2022 13:00:19 GMT
Don't worry, he's got 2 years to cock it up.
As long as he doesn't do or say anything for 2 years he should be OK.
But fat chance of that.
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Post by see2 on Dec 25, 2022 13:10:19 GMT
Don't worry, he's got 2 years to cock it up. As long as he doesn't do or say anything for 2 years he should be OK. But fat chance of that. Fat chance? No chance of you saying nothing for any period of time, the impression you give is you like to cock things up. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2022 19:26:52 GMT
Don't worry, he's got 2 years to cock it up. As long as he doesn't do or say anything for 2 years he should be OK. But fat chance of that. No one could possibly have cocked things up worse than the Tories these past 12 years. I have never known the nation to be in such dire straits. Nothing works. We are all getting poorer. We are being taxed as never before yet there seems to be no money for anything vital. Increasingly working people with the ability to fight back are starting to say enough is enough and we are seeing a new winter of discontent. Prolonged recession now seems to be on the cards. As rents continue to soar, mortgage rates are also now going through the roof. I cannot walk through my own city centre after dark without seeing the homeless huddled in shop doorways, whilst millions are relying upon food banks. Shame on those who have spent the last 12 years leading the nation to this. But I expect you'll be true to form and show more interest in calling me a nazi. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 25, 2022 19:34:23 GMT
Don't worry, he's got 2 years to cock it up. As long as he doesn't do or say anything for 2 years he should be OK. But fat chance of that. No one could possibly have cocked things up worse than the Tories these past 12 years. I have never known the nation to be in such dire straits. Nothing works. We are all getting poorer. We are being taxed as never before yet there seems to be no money for anything vital. Increasingly working people with the ability to fight back are starting to say enough is enough and we are seeing a new winter of discontent. Prolonged recession now seems to be on the cards. As rents continue to soar, mortgage rates are also now going through the roof. I cannot walk through my own city centre after dark without seeing the homeless huddled in shop doorways, whilst millions are relying upon food banks. Shame on those who have spent the last 12 years leading the nation to this. But I expect you'll be true to form and show more interest in calling me a nazi. As a floating voter, got to agree with this really. The Tories to win the next election have got to be able to show they have got rid of the idiots, but also that they are promising something better. Neither are currently true. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 25, 2022 20:03:51 GMT
The problem is that no one can honestly offer anything better because they will inherit the same situation. Sure, they'll blame the Tories, Brexit etc. But the fact is that inflation is raging across Europe as is the energy crisis. There is no magic formula whoever is in charge.
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Post by vlk on Dec 25, 2022 20:12:21 GMT
I wonder how much does SNP 4% actually mean where they actually are.
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 25, 2022 21:08:06 GMT
The problem is that no one can honestly offer anything better because they will inherit the same situation. Sure, they'll blame the Tories, Brexit etc. But the fact is that inflation is raging across Europe as is the energy crisis. There is no magic formula whoever is in charge. True, but it's likely that inflation will curb, so more likely the bigger factor is whether wages have increased and by how much. The tories have got 2 years to fix that and convince people. I don't think they can. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 25, 2022 22:26:02 GMT
The problem is that no one can honestly offer anything better because they will inherit the same situation. Sure, they'll blame the Tories, Brexit etc. But the fact is that inflation is raging across Europe as is the energy crisis. There is no magic formula whoever is in charge. True, but it's likely that inflation will curb, so more likely the bigger factor is whether wages have increased and by how much. The tories have got 2 years to fix that and convince people. I don't think they can. The Tories do not set wage rates - they are set by the market (Marx pointed that out a 100 years ago). And as all Parties seem intent on increasing immigration then the market rate for labour is going to remain low. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 25, 2022 23:28:36 GMT
True, but it's likely that inflation will curb, so more likely the bigger factor is whether wages have increased and by how much. The tories have got 2 years to fix that and convince people. I don't think they can. The Tories do not set wage rates - they are set by the market (Marx pointed that out a 100 years ago). And as all Parties seem intent on increasing immigration then the market rate for labour is going to remain low. The fuckers should give up their £50 grand cushy number in a train cabin all day and hand it over to someone who may have to work hard on min wage. They would jump at the chance of such a boost in earnings. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 25, 2022 23:37:39 GMT
The problem is that no one can honestly offer anything better because they will inherit the same situation. Sure, they'll blame the Tories, Brexit etc. But the fact is that inflation is raging across Europe as is the energy crisis. There is no magic formula whoever is in charge. Except you know you are going to be fecked over whoever you vote for, listening to people day in day out pretending you won't if you vote for their particular flavour of bullshine, gets a bit tedious. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 26, 2022 7:40:18 GMT
I still think the main problem the Tories have is their choice of Sunak as PM and Hunt as chancellor - these people were installed by the MPs and that's called a coup. With these two in charge they have absolutely no chance of winning the next GE. They'll come a poor second to Labour.
However if they had anyone else in charge - AND they started to make a decent fist of controlling migration - they would still beat Labour. The problem Labour has is that the minute they start talking about their actual policies they fall apart. They're as split as the Tories and their policies are even more unpopular.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2022 8:14:36 GMT
True, but it's likely that inflation will curb, so more likely the bigger factor is whether wages have increased and by how much. The tories have got 2 years to fix that and convince people. I don't think they can. The Tories do not set wage rates - they are set by the market (Marx pointed that out a 100 years ago). And as all Parties seem intent on increasing immigration then the market rate for labour is going to remain low. The government - currently the Tories - do have the final say on pay rates for state employees like nurses. Nurses' pay is not set by the market. Insofar as the laws of the market apply the nurses actually appear to be chronically underpaid for what is expected of them for people with their skill sets and qualifications. For this reason they are suffering a serious retention and recruitment crisis. If it were down to the market, market forces would be forcing their pay up. But it is down to the government. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 26, 2022 8:26:39 GMT
The Tories do not set wage rates - they are set by the market (Marx pointed that out a 100 years ago). And as all Parties seem intent on increasing immigration then the market rate for labour is going to remain low. The government - currently the Tories - do have the final say on pay rates for state employees like nurses. Nurses' pay is not set by the market. Insofar as the laws of the market apply the nurses actually appear to be chronically underpaid for what is expected of them for people with their skill sets and qualifications. For this reason they are suffering a serious retention and recruitment crisis. If it were down to the market, market forces would be forcing their pay up. But it is down to the government. Well in general public sector pay is higher than that in the private sector. With regards to nurses - applications for nurses training are oversubscribed, it is a political decision to limit training places and thus the number of nurses entering the system. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2022 10:10:54 GMT
The government - currently the Tories - do have the final say on pay rates for state employees like nurses. Nurses' pay is not set by the market. Insofar as the laws of the market apply the nurses actually appear to be chronically underpaid for what is expected of them for people with their skill sets and qualifications. For this reason they are suffering a serious retention and recruitment crisis. If it were down to the market, market forces would be forcing their pay up. But it is down to the government. Well in general public sector pay is higher than that in the private sector. With regards to nurses - applications for nurses training are oversubscribed, it is a political decision to limit training places and thus the number of nurses entering the system. Well training places need to be expanded. And there is still the retention crisis. And the fact is that with their skills and qualifications nurses can earn a lot more outside the NHS. So to try and suggest that their pay is higher than comparable private sector roles is nonsense. Speaking of many public versus private sector jobs more generally, most public sector roles require qualifications competence and training. My best friend works for the DWP and her role is not something that anyone straight out of a jobcentre can do. Many are taken on on temp contracts and the majority get let go of because they are not up to the job. Comparing public sector roles with private sector ones is comparing apples with oranges. The private sector includes a mass of low skilled minimum wage jobs so it would be an utter travesty if public sector pay was not higher. Most public sector workers could find comparable if not better pay for their skill sets in the private sector and are increasingly voting with their feet. The only thing preventing a floodtide is the fact that changing jobs is risky when most private sector employers take on on temp contracts to start with, and no one gets full employment rights in any new job for the first couple of years. Fear of easy hire and fire elsewhere is the only thing holding many in place. But as public sector pay levels continue to be driven down, fewer will apply and more will take the risk of leaving. As an example of the sort of thing happening with public sector pay, with inflation in excess of 10%, my friend and her colleagues have been offered 2%. This is well below inflation and well below average pay rises in the private sector. It is also worth noting that the government thinks holding rail fare increases down to 6% is a great offer yet thinks this is way too high for public sector pay increases. Because public sector pay is lagging far behind inflation by government diktat, to talk of excessive public sector pay rises driving inflation is frankly risible. |
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