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Post by sheepy on Dec 26, 2022 21:06:03 GMT
Don't sound like any kind of democracy as advertised.
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Post by Toreador on Dec 26, 2022 21:13:47 GMT
The Tories deserve a good kicking after Cameron’s inept handling of the In-Out referendum, May’s inability to operate, Johnson’s lying and disastrous leadership over Covid, and the imposition of Thick Lizzie. I hope they learn their lesson quickly before the next election or, if not, Labour are able to put together a competent team to bring the U.K. back to its senses…You were doing OK until you got to the bolded bit, none of the three main parties even have a competent team. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 26, 2022 22:44:34 GMT
The Tories deserve a good kicking after Cameron’s inept handling of the In-Out referendum, May’s inability to operate, Johnson’s lying and disastrous leadership over Covid, and the imposition of Thick Lizzie. I hope they learn their lesson quickly before the next election or, if not, Labour are able to put together a competent team to bring the U.K. back to its senses… Piss off - the current shadow Foreign Secretary thinks that women can grow a Cervix. If that is an example of competence then you are more out of touch with reality than he is. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 26, 2022 23:02:24 GMT
True, but it's likely that inflation will curb, so more likely the bigger factor is whether wages have increased and by how much. The tories have got 2 years to fix that and convince people. I don't think they can. The Tories do not set wage rates - they are set by the market (Marx pointed that out a 100 years ago). And as all Parties seem intent on increasing immigration then the market rate for labour is going to remain low. Well, they may not ‘set’ wage rates according to you but they actually set the national minimum wage which far too many suffer as the most they can get. They also set the tax rates on what you earn and what you spend which right now are the problem . In my younger days the lowest paid were way way below the tax thresholds. Today it is illegal to pay an annual amount below the tax threshold for a full time job. That’s the real problem. And the government are totally responsible. Also it doesn’t help that the twat at the top of the tree thinks the homeless are ‘in business’ although given the way they shit on the little guys in business the next homeless guy he serves soup to might have been. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 27, 2022 7:47:48 GMT
The Tories do not set wage rates - they are set by the market (Marx pointed that out a 100 years ago). And as all Parties seem intent on increasing immigration then the market rate for labour is going to remain low. Well, they may not ‘set’ wage rates according to you but they actually set the national minimum wage which far too many suffer as the most they can get. They also set the tax rates on what you earn and what you spend which right now are the problem . In my younger days the lowest paid were way way below the tax thresholds. Today it is illegal to pay an annual amount below the tax threshold for a full time job. That’s the real problem. And the government are totally responsible. Also it doesn’t help that the twat at the top of the tree thinks the homeless are ‘in business’ although given the way they shit on the little guys in business the next homeless guy he serves soup to might have been. I totally agree with your point about taxation - it is the height of lunacy to believe you need to have a 'minimum' wage and they take some of that wage away in taxation. Tax thresholds need raising - however when someone suggests doing exactly that they are attacked for not being progressive. Usually by those who fundamentally support the idea of a minimum wage..  |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 8:52:31 GMT
The Tories deserve a good kicking after Cameron’s inept handling of the In-Out referendum, May’s inability to operate, Johnson’s lying and disastrous leadership over Covid, and the imposition of Thick Lizzie. I hope they learn their lesson quickly before the next election or, if not, Labour are able to put together a competent team to bring the U.K. back to its senses… Piss off - the current shadow Foreign Secretary thinks that women can grow a Cervix. If that is an example of competence then you are more out of touch with reality than he is. More nonsense by the nonsense master. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 27, 2022 10:33:47 GMT
Piss off - the current shadow Foreign Secretary thinks that women can grow a Cervix. If that is an example of competence then you are more out of touch with reality than he is. More nonsense by the nonsense master. Nonsense ? I think you may owe someone an apology. read for yourself what David Lammy said “Mr Lammy ramped it up a notch with a dash of science fiction. "Is it transphobic to say that only women have a cervix?" Like Rachel Reeves, Mr Lammy said it was not transphobic to say so. Like Sir Keir he also said it is factually incorrect. Why? Well, because people can grow a cervix. While trans women can't have ovaries, Mr Lammy said, "I understand that a cervix is something you can have after various procedures, hormone treatment, all the rest of it." www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/19617372.labour-party-done-better-trans-rights/ |
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Post by jaydee on Dec 27, 2022 10:43:19 GMT
I totally agree with your point about taxation - it is the height of lunacy to believe you need to have a 'minimum' wage and they take some of that wage away in taxation. Tax thresholds need raising - however when someone suggests doing exactly that they are attacked for not being progressive. Usually by those who fundamentally support the idea of a minimum wage.. What do you agree with. Tax thresholds are not rising. The only thresholds rising are those who can least afford it. Except if you live north of the border. It is the other way about. www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/wealthy-uk-tax-cost-rate-capital-gains-income-tax-a9566211.html |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 27, 2022 10:48:44 GMT
Well, they may not ‘set’ wage rates according to you but they actually set the national minimum wage which far too many suffer as the most they can get. They also set the tax rates on what you earn and what you spend which right now are the problem . In my younger days the lowest paid were way way below the tax thresholds. Today it is illegal to pay an annual amount below the tax threshold for a full time job. That’s the real problem. And the government are totally responsible. Also it doesn’t help that the twat at the top of the tree thinks the homeless are ‘in business’ although given the way they shit on the little guys in business the next homeless guy he serves soup to might have been. I totally agree with your point about taxation - it is the height of lunacy to believe you need to have a 'minimum' wage and they take some of that wage away in taxation. Tax thresholds need raising - however when someone suggests doing exactly that they are attacked for not being progressive. Usually by those who fundamentally support the idea of a minimum wage.. Something I forgot to say in my previous post was that at the time I was referring to, it was possible, not pleasant in any way at all but possible, for a couple doing jobs that today attract the minimum wage to have a roof over their heads and pay their bills because there were none of the government handouts to working people in the form of housing benefits because rents paid by those people were often controlled by a rent tribunal and almost all paid to a council. I know it was possible and I know it was not pleasant because for almost a year after our marriage my wife and I were one such couple living in a street full of similar couples some who had started families in those circumstances. The less than affluent state of our existence was the most powerful incentive imaginable to get something done to improve our financial condition and in a bit less than a year I’d done just that as my research ended and my employment in the defence sector started. But the memories i hold from that time are of couples in that situation holding their head up being able to make their way in spite of next to zero state help. I cannot see my daughters generation or my grand daughters ever experiencing that while rents and mortgages require a merchant bankers salary tonoay. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 11:10:33 GMT
More nonsense by the nonsense master. Nonsense ? I think you may owe someone an apology. read for yourself what David Lammy said “Mr Lammy ramped it up a notch with a dash of science fiction. "Is it transphobic to say that only women have a cervix?" Like Rachel Reeves, Mr Lammy said it was not transphobic to say so. Like Sir Keir he also said it is factually incorrect. Why? Well, because people can grow a cervix. While trans women can't have ovaries, Mr Lammy said, "I understand that a cervix is something you can have after various procedures, hormone treatment, all the rest of it." www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/19617372.labour-party-done-better-trans-rights/I would need to see the comments in context and inside quotation marks to be able to make comments on your post. I am aware, as I'm sure you are, that not everyone follows the XX and XY chromosome design. Example. "Klinefelter Syndrome (XXY chromosome) A person with this condition has an extra X chromosome, and is usually socialized as male, meaning the doctor will say, “It’s a boy!” at the delivery, and the baby henceforth will be treated like a boy. Affecting about 1 in 650 newborn boys, this is one of the most common sex chromosome variations." |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 27, 2022 11:18:08 GMT
I totally agree with your point about taxation - it is the height of lunacy to believe you need to have a 'minimum' wage and they take some of that wage away in taxation. Tax thresholds need raising - however when someone suggests doing exactly that they are attacked for not being progressive. Usually by those who fundamentally support the idea of a minimum wage.. Something I forgot to say in my previous post was that at the time I was referring to, it was possible, not pleasant in any way at all but possible, for a couple doing jobs that today attract the minimum wage to have a roof over their heads and pay their bills because there were none of the government handouts to working people in the form of housing benefits because rents paid by those people were often controlled by a rent tribunal and almost all paid to a council. I know it was possible and I know it was not pleasant because for almost a year after our marriage my wife and I were one such couple living in a street full of similar couples some who had started families in those circumstances. The less than affluent state of our existence was the most powerful incentive imaginable to get something done to improve our financial condition and in a bit less than a year I’d done just that as my research ended and my employment in the defence sector started. But the memories i hold from that time are of couples in that situation holding their head up being able to make their way in spite of next to zero state help. I cannot see my daughters generation or my grand daughters ever experiencing that while rents and mortgages require a merchant bankers salary tonoay. i can remember when it was possible to buy a house (and raise a family) on a single working mans wage from driving a bus - something I'd like to see return but I doubt it will ever happen when we are importing a million extra migrants a year. |
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Post by jaydee on Dec 27, 2022 11:23:04 GMT
I suspect Starmer, the least deserving Labour winner I have ever known, will win the next election on a record low turnout. "None of the above" will win by a landslide, but with no MPs under this banner Labour will win by default. My only hope is that the Tories can pull back enough ground to force a hung parliament. And with the aid of their gerrymandering and ID measures designed to make voting difficult for the young and the poor, they might just manage it. I think it is up for grabs. Labour has only one Scottish MP and that looks set to be none. Without doubt the Tory's will lose the red wall seats. But like Trumps America. England is still voting on the basis there are far two many brown faces working in Tesco. The Lib Dem in England are a joke. They simply will never recover from the coalition, with the Cameron/Clegg administration. . I suspect in England it will be around 50/50 Tory Labour. That leaves the SNP. Under no circumstance will the SNP piss on the Tory's. So be prepared for another fascist rant. How drastic a Labour/SNP government will be. Of course according to the Tory's. England does not want the higher paid to pay higher taxes. As they do in Scotland England does not want free dental care, for the elderly as they do in Scotland. Of course England does not want free University places as they do in Scotland. Or free bus travel for the young, those looking for work or the elderly. England does not want health care. The English would rather sell their house to pay for it. And so on. Now why does the term my arse spring to mind. That is what the rise in NIC contribution was supposed to pay for. That went by the wayside. If it is around 50/50. There is not a chance in hell the SNP will go in with the Tory's. Then Starmer has ranted under no circumstances will he do a deal with the SNP. I suspect the Tory's will just have the largest party. With no overall majority. Starmer will be forced to go into coalition with the SNP on a supply and demand or a confidence and supply basis. Nearly a third of Labour voters across the UK would like the SNP to reach a ‘supply and demand’ deal with the SNP in the event of a hung parliament, while over 15 per cent would like to see a formal coalition, according to a poll in 2015. . So he will be forced into a deal. You do not need to be the brain of Britain to work out what that deal would be. A indy ref. I can see no change as the link from 2015 below shows. Apart from it was the then Ed Miliband. But as they say. A hour is a long time in politics. Any one seen Sunak and exactly what is he supposed to be doing. www.holyrood.com/news/view,exclusive-around-half-of-uk-labour-voters-would-support-deal-with-snp_11468.htm |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 11:24:59 GMT
Well, they may not ‘set’ wage rates according to you but they actually set the national minimum wage which far too many suffer as the most they can get. They also set the tax rates on what you earn and what you spend which right now are the problem . In my younger days the lowest paid were way way below the tax thresholds. Today it is illegal to pay an annual amount below the tax threshold for a full time job. That’s the real problem. And the government are totally responsible. Also it doesn’t help that the twat at the top of the tree thinks the homeless are ‘in business’ although given the way they shit on the little guys in business the next homeless guy he serves soup to might have been. I totally agree with your point about taxation - it is the height of lunacy to believe you need to have a 'minimum' wage and they take some of that wage away in taxation. Tax thresholds need raising - however when someone suggests doing exactly that they are attacked for not being progressive. Usually by those who fundamentally support the idea of a minimum wage.. AFAIA the standard Personal Allowance is £12,570 before tax, surely the minimum wage is lower than that ? |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 27, 2022 11:25:45 GMT
Something I forgot to say in my previous post was that at the time I was referring to, it was possible, not pleasant in any way at all but possible, for a couple doing jobs that today attract the minimum wage to have a roof over their heads and pay their bills because there were none of the government handouts to working people in the form of housing benefits because rents paid by those people were often controlled by a rent tribunal and almost all paid to a council. I know it was possible and I know it was not pleasant because for almost a year after our marriage my wife and I were one such couple living in a street full of similar couples some who had started families in those circumstances. The less than affluent state of our existence was the most powerful incentive imaginable to get something done to improve our financial condition and in a bit less than a year I’d done just that as my research ended and my employment in the defence sector started. But the memories i hold from that time are of couples in that situation holding their head up being able to make their way in spite of next to zero state help. I cannot see my daughters generation or my grand daughters ever experiencing that while rents and mortgages require a merchant bankers salary tonoay. i can remember when it was possible to buy a house (and raise a family) on a single working mans wage from driving a bus - something I'd like to see return but I doubt it will ever happen when we are importing a million extra migrants a year. Govertnments are in the grip of mortgagers and have been since the early 90s when the housing market slumped, many lost their houses and property equity fell through the floor leaving the mortgage companies with a very large black hole in their balance sheet. To avoid a similarsituation govenments don't give two shits about the morgagee so long as properties hold or increase their value. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 11:29:57 GMT
Something I forgot to say in my previous post was that at the time I was referring to, it was possible, not pleasant in any way at all but possible, for a couple doing jobs that today attract the minimum wage to have a roof over their heads and pay their bills because there were none of the government handouts to working people in the form of housing benefits because rents paid by those people were often controlled by a rent tribunal and almost all paid to a council. I know it was possible and I know it was not pleasant because for almost a year after our marriage my wife and I were one such couple living in a street full of similar couples some who had started families in those circumstances. The less than affluent state of our existence was the most powerful incentive imaginable to get something done to improve our financial condition and in a bit less than a year I’d done just that as my research ended and my employment in the defence sector started. But the memories i hold from that time are of couples in that situation holding their head up being able to make their way in spite of next to zero state help. I cannot see my daughters generation or my grand daughters ever experiencing that while rents and mortgages require a merchant bankers salary tonoay. i can remember when it was possible to buy a house (and raise a family) on a single working mans wage from driving a bus - something I'd like to see return but I doubt it will ever happen when we are importing a million extra migrants a year. I worked as a skilled engineer for the first 30 years of my working life and I was never in the position to get a mortgage on a reasonable, not new nor expensive, property on my wage alone. |
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