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Post by wapentake on Oct 16, 2022 20:27:28 GMT
Didn’t they? Maybe you need to think again about how the markets work. That would be a different theory. You now feel the pound / markets was attacked by a conspiracy? I’m not in to conspiracy theories but I do believe the financial markets are manipulated to suit the mega wealthy. Look at George Soros do you think he and those like him care for any rules? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 17, 2022 5:49:47 GMT
Correct, since the dissolution of the fixed term parliament act in July 2022, the prime minister can call a general election at any time. Indeed, Nadine Dorries has said Liz Truss should call a snap election. Tbh I don't want a snap election, it's the last thing we need. But, if the PCP try to replace Truss with Sunak I absolutely want her to publicly say, back me or I'll call a general election. The saintly John Major's ''put up or shut up'' strategy? Precisely. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 17, 2022 6:02:24 GMT
Well, it’s not rocket science
Surely you remember when Lamont played chicken with George Soros and lost.
How did that work out for John Major ?
The moment Kwarteng U Turned, he was pushing the “buy it now” button on the coffins for himself and his boss.
Of course the real problem is both assuming they could fight Dunak and pals.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 17, 2022 6:11:14 GMT
Well, it’s not rocket science Surely you remember when Lamont played chicken with George Soros and lost. How did that work out for John Major ? The moment Kwarteng U Turned, he was pushing the “buy it now” button on the coffins for himself and his boss. Of course the real problem is both assuming they could fight Dunak and pals. Truss should have told back bench MP's to support her or face an election before she sacked Kwarteng. Now I sense it's too late, not just for Liz Truss, but for the Tories. They seem determined to commit electoral suicide. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 17, 2022 6:15:46 GMT
Has there ever been a time that people wouldn't have said that the government of the time is the worst ever? You need to pick a time frame and and define people. Go back two centuries and it wouldn’t have mattered what “people” thought only one in twenty had the enfranchisement to do something about it. And that was still pretty much the same a century ago. So what I think you are saying is has there ever been a time in the last hundred years … and frankly in the early days of my political awareness the criticism was always far more like “the other lot could do better” It has been painfully clear for most of my adult life that the reason the government is in government is nothing to do with the government and everything to do with the shitshower that have called themselves the opposition. From the moment Michael Foot began leading labour into obscurity and infighting, followed by Majors downfall, then Browns stupidity and so on. And then the 2017 Labour manifestos from candidates openly ignoring their party leader, filling their manifesto with photos of anything except themselves and Corbyn while stating they must “respect the decision of the people” and then doing their utter damndest to do the very opposite. Boris won not because he is a brilliant leader but because labour were exposed as traitors to the will of the people. I mean FFS did the tories learn NOTHING from the time Ted Heath said “who governs Britain” and the voters replied “not you, mate” |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 17, 2022 6:21:41 GMT
Well, it’s not rocket science Surely you remember when Lamont played chicken with George Soros and lost. How did that work out for John Major ? The moment Kwarteng U Turned, he was pushing the “buy it now” button on the coffins for himself and his boss. Of course the real problem is both assuming they could fight Dunak and pals. Truss should have told back bench MP's to support her or face an election before she sacked Kwarteng. Now I sense it's too late, not just for Liz Truss, but for the Tories. They seem determined to commit electoral suicide. I agree. That bastard Clegg denied us the ultimate loyalty test and having done the dirty deed fucked off to defend Zuckerberg knowing his own U turn on tuition fees to get his Liberal Democrat arse on a seat in the cabinet for the first time in a century had royally shagged his party’s stance. Truss should have used the nuclear option And those on here who support Boris need to ask are they REALlY expecting us to accept a lawbreaking prime minister who is exposed as being incapable of doing anything except take the advice of, and defend the continued employment of, lawbreaking spads when all around him opposition parties are (reluctantly) sacking their lawbreaking own ? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 17, 2022 6:41:40 GMT
Truss should have told back bench MP's to support her or face an election before she sacked Kwarteng. Now I sense it's too late, not just for Liz Truss, but for the Tories. They seem determined to commit electoral suicide. I agree. That bastard Clegg denied us the ultimate loyalty test and having done the dirty deed fucked off to defend Zuckerberg knowing his own U turn on tuition fees to get his Liberal Democrat arse on a seat in the cabinet for the first time in a century had royally shagged his party’s stance. Truss should have used the nuclear option And those on here who support Boris need to ask are they REALlY expecting us to accept a lawbreaking prime minister who is exposed as being incapable of doing anything except take the advice of, and defend the continued employment of, lawbreaking spads when all around him opposition parties are (reluctantly) sacking their lawbreaking own ? Ref Boris; 'A law breaking prime minister'! Really. Was 'beergate' any worse that 'currygate', I suppose it depends on political loyalties. Sunaks buddies who successfully plotted to remove Boris and are now faced with the very real prospect of losing their seats will be wishing they could turn the clock back. I sense it's too late for the Tories, too much infighting too much division. Perhaps a period in opposition would focus minds. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 17, 2022 8:21:04 GMT
I agree. That bastard Clegg denied us the ultimate loyalty test and having done the dirty deed fucked off to defend Zuckerberg knowing his own U turn on tuition fees to get his Liberal Democrat arse on a seat in the cabinet for the first time in a century had royally shagged his party’s stance. Truss should have used the nuclear option And those on here who support Boris need to ask are they REALlY expecting us to accept a lawbreaking prime minister who is exposed as being incapable of doing anything except take the advice of, and defend the continued employment of, lawbreaking spads when all around him opposition parties are (reluctantly) sacking their lawbreaking own ? Ref Boris; 'A law breaking prime minister'! Really. Was 'beergate' any worse that 'currygate', I suppose it depends on political loyalties. Sunaks buddies who successfully plotted to remove Boris and are now faced with the very real prospect of losing their seats will be wishing they could turn the clock back. I sense it's too late for the Tories, too much infighting too much division. Perhaps a period in opposition would focus minds. Ok let me put it another way. People were fined for going to buy unpasteurised milk from a remote farm and it took an ENGLISH court to tell a Welsh police force there was no law, rule or guideline that prevented people driving as far as they wanted to buy the food they wanted if no one else sold it. Meanwhile a Tory MP who ran to the hills in his second home was castigated for it, a Scottish National party SPAD resigned saying her failure to adhere to the rules was causing a deep version from what mattered, but Boris’s special adviser was allowed to go for an eye test then hold a press conference where he decided he was too important for the law to apply to him so he was T going to adhere to it and wasn’t resigning. A few hours later Boris called a press conference He’d still be in the job today if at that press conference he’d said no one was above the law and Cummings was getting his P45 What did he actually do ? Grovelled and defended the case that his SPAD was too important (to his political survival) for the law to apply to him Boris lost the right to be in number ten right then. The sick fact it it took so long to implement that. |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 17, 2022 8:30:22 GMT
Boris lost the right to be in number ten right then. The sick fact it it took so long to implement that. Indeed JoG. There we a few voices like me calling for Johnson to go because of his association with Brexit, but before Cummingsgate he was polling well and people were saying he was doing a great job with the pandemic (another issue I had with him at the time was his uturn, closing us down). If he sacked Cummings when he should have, the snake wouldn't have bit back, the press wouldn't have turned against Johnson and he may well still be in a job. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 17, 2022 9:25:44 GMT
Ref Boris; 'A law breaking prime minister'! Really. Was 'beergate' any worse that 'currygate', I suppose it depends on political loyalties. Sunaks buddies who successfully plotted to remove Boris and are now faced with the very real prospect of losing their seats will be wishing they could turn the clock back. I sense it's too late for the Tories, too much infighting too much division. Perhaps a period in opposition would focus minds Ok let me put it another way. People were fined for going to buy unpasteurised milk from a remote farm and it took an ENGLISH court to tell a Welsh police force there was no law, rule or guideline that prevented people driving as far as they wanted to buy the food they wanted if no one else sold it. Meanwhile a Tory MP who ran to the hills in his second home was castigated for it, a Scottish National party SPAD resigned saying her failure to adhere to the rules was causing a deep version from what mattered, but Boris’s special adviser was allowed to go for an eye test then hold a press conference where he decided he was too important for the law to apply to him so he was T going to adhere to it and wasn’t resigning. A few hours later Boris called a press conference He’d still be in the job today if at that press conference he’d said no one was above the law and Cummings was getting his P45 What did he actually do ? Grovelled and defended the case that his SPAD was too important (to his political survival) for the law to apply to him Boris lost the right to be in number ten right then. The sick fact it it took so long to implement that. You're entitled to an opinion, however misguided it may be. You claim Boris would still be PM if he had sacked Cummings, I tend to disagree. It's hardly a secret that Sunak and his supporters had been on maneuvres for some time, as they still are. The only people who 'should' have the right to sack a democratically elected prime minister is the electorate. Yes I know we vote for the party not the PM, but that's not how the millions of people who gave Boris a mandate to govern see it. His detractors were determined to make the best of so called partygate, which is the issue that forced his resignation. Starmer is fond of talking about honour, yet he was photographed on the piss with 30 people during lock down, and subsequently lied about several elements of it. For months the Durham police shrugged and said there was nothing to investigate, as did Durham Police & Crime Commissioner Joy Allen, who is also a Labour councillor. Perhaps that was because Durham's Labour MP Mary Foy was also at Starmer's lock down piss up. The point being, Boris was forced to resign due to partygate. Yet apparently Starmer did nothing wrong by having a beer & curry bash for 30 people during lockdown. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 17, 2022 10:12:45 GMT
Ok let me put it another way. People were fined for going to buy unpasteurised milk from a remote farm and it took an ENGLISH court to tell a Welsh police force there was no law, rule or guideline that prevented people driving as far as they wanted to buy the food they wanted if no one else sold it. Meanwhile a Tory MP who ran to the hills in his second home was castigated for it, a Scottish National party SPAD resigned saying her failure to adhere to the rules was causing a deep version from what mattered, but Boris’s special adviser was allowed to go for an eye test then hold a press conference where he decided he was too important for the law to apply to him so he was T going to adhere to it and wasn’t resigning. A few hours later Boris called a press conference He’d still be in the job today if at that press conference he’d said no one was above the law and Cummings was getting his P45 What did he actually do ? Grovelled and defended the case that his SPAD was too important (to his political survival) for the law to apply to him Boris lost the right to be in number ten right then. The sick fact it it took so long to implement that. You're entitled to an opinion, however misguided it may be. You claim Boris would still be PM if he had sacked Cummings, I tend to disagree. It's hardly a secret that Sunak and his supporters had been on maneuvres for some time, as they still are. The only people who 'should' have the right to sack a democratically elected prime minister is the electorate. Yes I know we vote for the party not the PM, but that's not how the millions of people who gave Boris a mandate to govern see it. His detractors were determined to make the best of so called partygate, which is the issue that forced his resignation. Starmer is fond of talking about honour, yet he was photographed on the piss with 30 people during lock down, and subsequently lied about several elements of it. For months the Durham police shrugged and said there was nothing to investigate, as did Durham Police & Crime Commissioner Joy Allen, who is also a Labour councillor. Perhaps that was because Durham's Labour MP Mary Foy was also at Starmer's lock down piss up. The point being, Boris was forced to resign due to partygate. Yet apparently Starmer did nothing wrong by having a beer & curry bash for 30 people during lockdown. Boris was hardly a stranger to Machiavellian manoeuvres in the pursuit of the big seat. Perfectly happy to plunge the knife, all the way to its hilt, into first Cameron's and then May's backs. The old adage about those who pursue power should be automatically excluded from holding it has never rung so true. This is true of all parties btw. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 17, 2022 10:15:40 GMT
Oh I quite agree, Monte. I'm not suggesting Boris is some paragon of virtue, politics is a ruthless business.
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 17, 2022 10:20:46 GMT
Don't know who is running the Tories, but Hunt has just done Sunakonomics and focusing on controlling inflation before tax cuts. Might as well get the main cheese in now. Truss out Sunak in.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 17, 2022 10:21:50 GMT
Oh I quite agree, Monte. I'm not suggesting Boris is some paragon of virtue, politics is a ruthless business. I only mention it because you bring up Sunak's treachery fairly regularly as if it had reached some previously unseen level of disloyalty which will never be forgiven. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 17, 2022 10:35:50 GMT
Ok let me put it another way. People were fined for going to buy unpasteurised milk from a remote farm and it took an ENGLISH court to tell a Welsh police force there was no law, rule or guideline that prevented people driving as far as they wanted to buy the food they wanted if no one else sold it. Meanwhile a Tory MP who ran to the hills in his second home was castigated for it, a Scottish National party SPAD resigned saying her failure to adhere to the rules was causing a deep version from what mattered, but Boris’s special adviser was allowed to go for an eye test then hold a press conference where he decided he was too important for the law to apply to him so he was T going to adhere to it and wasn’t resigning. A few hours later Boris called a press conference He’d still be in the job today if at that press conference he’d said no one was above the law and Cummings was getting his P45 What did he actually do ? Grovelled and defended the case that his SPAD was too important (to his political survival) for the law to apply to him Boris lost the right to be in number ten right then. The sick fact it it took so long to implement that. You're entitled to an opinion, however misguided it may be. You claim Boris would still be PM if he had sacked Cummings, I tend to disagree. It's hardly a secret that Sunak and his supporters had been on maneuvres for some time, as they still are. The only people who 'should' have the right to sack a democratically elected prime minister is the electorate. Yes I know we vote for the party not the PM, but that's not how the millions of people who gave Boris a mandate to govern see it. His detractors were determined to make the best of so called partygate, which is the issue that forced his resignation. Starmer is fond of talking about honour, yet he was photographed on the piss with 30 people during lock down, and subsequently lied about several elements of it. For months the Durham police shrugged and said there was nothing to investigate, as did Durham Police & Crime Commissioner Joy Allen, who is also a Labour councillor. Perhaps that was because Durham's Labour MP Mary Foy was also at Starmer's lock down piss up. The point being, Boris was forced to resign due to partygate. Yet apparently Starmer did nothing wrong by having a beer & curry bash for 30 people during lockdown. The lack of ability to selectively quote on this site from a phone is doing my head in Go right to the top of your last post. I’m not sure Boris WOULD still be in number ten. What I’m trying to get across is he lost my support the instant he went out there and defended Cummings instead of sacking him on the spot for his fucking insolence in thinking a SPAD was above the law. We all KNEW Cummings had broken the bloody law not just the guidelines, plod we’re hauling people over and issuing penalty fines for far less and after the row simmered down plod admitted they SHOULD have hit him with a fine but would not now as too much time had passed. As I highlighted earlier Boris came out and made miserable pleading noises for his ideas man at the exact same time other politicians and political advisers were taking it on the chin or walking the plank for similar misdeeds against the rules in place. And for the record I had the delightful opportunity to tell Boris what a prick he was to his face while he was on the referendum trail. His battle bus and entourage pulled in to the Herefordshire town I was working in one lunchtime, fake number on the side and all, ant the berk with the hair got off the bus right in front of me. No journos, no security, nothing. I collared him and said bluntly to his face I was three months too young to have told Wilson to stick his common market up his arse, had waited 40 years to vote leave and was looking forward to (at this his gorillas stuck behind him on the bus who forgot to jump out first visibly relaxed taking me for just another voter wanting to laud and praise the twat, but I went on “but that number on this bus is a lie, we all know why, and you’re continuing to use it makes you the best weapon the REMAIN campaign ever had” He blathered something about what’s done is done and I went off to the office with my lunch his bus had got in the way if That night Newsnight or some such did run a story about the number and broadcast his “what’s done is done” words but little else. |
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