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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 13, 2022 9:14:32 GMT
It certainly wasn't Boris, and it certainly isn't Truss, who are the real powers running the Tory party?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 15:30:41 GMT
Bit late to start asking the questions we lefties have been asking for years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 15:44:11 GMT
It certainly wasn't Boris, and it certainly isn't Truss, who are the real powers running the Tory party? Interesting post.
Who do you think is?
My best guess would be their donors calling the shots, probably lobbyists and people they are beholden to wrt favours rendered to them.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 13, 2022 15:49:17 GMT
Find where the money comes from to support them and the directorships that they have or might have and you might get an idea..imo.
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Post by Orac on Oct 13, 2022 17:53:43 GMT
It certainly wasn't Boris, and it certainly isn't Truss, who are the real powers running the Tory party? Basically, we are experiencing a series of soft coups. There will probably be succession of these until the 'correct' person is installed |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 13, 2022 18:29:45 GMT
It certainly wasn't Boris, and it certainly isn't Truss, who are the real powers running the Tory party? Basically, we are experiencing a series of soft coups. There will probably be succession of these until the 'correct' person is installed It's getting daft now, Labour must be rubbing their hands, they basically just sit back have to do nothing. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 14, 2022 12:31:33 GMT
Looks like Kwarteng is sacked, another one bites the dust, I thought he was just following the orders of Truss?
Boris must be laughing his head off.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 14, 2022 12:34:21 GMT
Just looked at the runners, Javid, Zahawi and Hunt FFS lol
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Post by Handyman on Oct 14, 2022 12:37:27 GMT
Not appears to have been sacked has been sacked, he was supposed to be guiding Truss not the other way round, what happens next? Boris making a comeback perhaps, but I doubt it to many Tory insiders jockeying for position
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Post by Cartertonian on Oct 14, 2022 12:43:36 GMT
It certainly wasn't Boris, and it certainly isn't Truss, who are the real powers running the Tory party? I do find it fascinating...and not in any partisan, points-scoring way. It's an open secret, especially to anyone who's read Britannia Unchained, that the right of the Tory party are pretty ideologically libertarian and that aligns with the views of the Tufton Street gang and the various von Mises inspired economic think tanks. To be fair to them, some of their theories might work...except for the fact that all ideological theories, from whichever part of the spectrum, could only ever work if you were starting with a metaphorical 'blank sheet of paper' or, as the Soviets tried, through revolution. Truss and Kwarteng's approach is only really supported by a small niche on the right of the party, as can be seen by the in-fighting and negative briefing from within the party's ranks, and in any complex, multiparty democracy you cannot instigate significant, ground-breaking ideological shifts the way they tried to - it was 'too much too soon'. It's still unclear who's 'running' the Tory party and it's a big over-simplification to lay the blame on money-men trying to make a fast buck on shorting the pound, etc. However, whilst it borders on conspiracy theorism, it is a nonetheless valid assessment to suggest that their are covert interested parties, pulling the strings behind Nos 10 and 11 Downing Street. :hmm: |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 14, 2022 15:37:32 GMT
Carty, you say Truss and Kwarteng's approach is only really supported by a small niche on the right of the party, which is undoubtedly true, and that highlights the biggest problem with today's modern conservative party; it's not very Conservative. It's almost as if today's Tory MP's are frightened of being centre right Conservatives. What Truss and Kwarteng proposed was classic centre right Conservativism. I accept their delivery was blunt, perhaps too blunt but I'm amazed back bench conservative MP's are rebelling and plotting because a conservative prime minister proposed tax cuts. Strange times.
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 14, 2022 15:41:28 GMT
That sounds like you saying "I don't really see what they have done wrong". I'd suggest that borrowing money to fund tax cuts is not a Conservative thing to do.
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 14, 2022 15:43:04 GMT
It certainly wasn't Boris, and it certainly isn't Truss, who are the real powers running the Tory party? You give the Tories too much credit. Boris was running the Show and Truss is currently running the show but they just happen to be useless and haven't a clue what they are doing. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 15:44:30 GMT
It certainly wasn't Boris, and it certainly isn't Truss, who are the real powers running the Tory party? I do find it fascinating...and not in any partisan, points-scoring way. It's an open secret, especially to anyone who's read Britannia Unchained, that the right of the Tory party are pretty ideologically libertarian and that aligns with the views of the Tufton Street gang and the various von Mises inspired economic think tanks. To be fair to them, some of their theories might work...except for the fact that all ideological theories, from whichever part of the spectrum, could only ever work if you were starting with a metaphorical 'blank sheet of paper' or, as the Soviets tried, through revolution. Truss and Kwarteng's approach is only really supported by a small niche on the right of the party, as can be seen by the in-fighting and negative briefing from within the party's ranks, and in any complex, multiparty democracy you cannot instigate significant, ground-breaking ideological shifts the way they tried to - it was 'too much too soon'. It's still unclear who's 'running' the Tory party and it's a big over-simplification to lay the blame on money-men trying to make a fast buck on shorting the pound, etc. However, whilst it borders on conspiracy theorism, it is a nonetheless valid assessment to suggest that their are covert interested parties, pulling the strings behind Nos 10 and 11 Downing Street. :hmm: It's worth reading Peter Oborne's book "The Assault on Truth" as well as Peter Geoghegan's "Democracy for Sale". |
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Post by Orac on Oct 14, 2022 15:45:09 GMT
That sounds like you saying "I don't really see what they have done wrong". I'd suggest that borrowing money to fund tax cuts is not a Conservative thing to do. The trouble that description itself, is a load of lefty, partisan codswallop. |
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