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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 14, 2024 17:01:55 GMT
Cheerio then.
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Post by thomas on Nov 14, 2024 17:31:23 GMT
im not going anywhere. What I suggest from now on , you read what is being written to you in threads , rather than what you think is being written.
Ive repeatedly told you as a scot indy supporter , im not here to defend the uk. As someone who voted remain in 2016 , im not here to attack the eu. Despite this , You keep trying desperately to drag the conversation onto some EU versus UK cock measuring contest.
I used to think the BNP only got laughed at in scotland .A foreign racist pressure group even unionist Scots largely kept at arms length such was their distaste. I can see now on this , a predominantly English forum , even your fellows won't engage with you to any great degree.
Your posh English boy schtick that hates folk wae a suntan doesnt impress me in any way. Your sneering pro europeanism looks to be turning the stomachs of your fellow English.
Keep up the bad work dan.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 14, 2024 18:03:15 GMT
I won't echo your parochialism and confine my list of things the EU does better than the UK to France, although France has a major role in most of them: - a domestically-owned motor industry, not just cars but land vehicles of all types; - a domestically-owned rail rolling stock industry - power generation systems, thermal and nuclear - machine tools - agriculture self-sufficiency - civil airliners - passenger liners and civilian vessels of all types - construction equipment - power transmission systems - domestic equipment of all types - semiconductors and other electronic hardware - radar - missiles - spacecraft - telecommunications equipment of all types etc etc
PS the UK used to be a significant player in almost all of these industries, but has lost the capability to participate in any of them.
Well that is cobblers Dan. Without the UK your Civil Airliners would not get off the ground, your missiles and spacecraft would not get built and as for construction equipment, JCB has become colloquially synonymous around the globe with a type of digger. We have now overtaken France as the worlds 8th largest manufacturer - with output worth $272bn, compared to $262bn for France. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 14, 2024 18:37:32 GMT
Cobblers or not, the truth of the matter is that the UK is no longer a player in those industrial sectors which produce high-value capital goods. Its largest manufacturing sector is food and beverages, a relatively low-tech sector once you take away the process machinery which is manufactured elsewhere.
As for aircraft, yes its true that Rolls-Royce is a global player along with GKN GSK. But these are the only two such companies based in the UK. JCB is a relative tiddler in the construction machinery sector, ranking 9th by revenues. It is the only UK-based company in the top 50 worldwide (the EEA has 15 representatives).
I'm unsure about your remarks concerning missiles and spacecraft - I'm not aware of any UK companies that are significant players in those sectors.
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Post by thomas on Nov 14, 2024 19:33:43 GMT
I'm unsure about your remarks concerning missiles and spacecraft - I'm not aware of any UK companies that are significant players in those sectors. Since 2005 , scotland has had one of the fastest growing space sectors in the world never mind Europe. Satellites , typically classed as spacecraft , are built by companies such as AAC Clyde Space , and spire global . Glasgow builds more satellites than any other city in Europe. spaceanddefense.io/west-of-scotland-space-cluster-launches/#:~:text=Space%20companies%20such%20as%20AAC, |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 14, 2024 19:34:00 GMT
Cobblers or not, the truth of the matter is that the UK is no longer a player in those industrial sectors which produce high-value capital goods. Its largest manufacturing sector is food and beverages, a relatively low-tech sector once you take away the process machinery which is manufactured elsewhere. As for aircraft, yes its true that Rolls-Royce is a global player along with GKN GSK. But these are the only two such companies based in the UK. JCB is a relative tiddler in the construction machinery sector, ranking 9th by revenues. It is the only UK-based company in the top 50 worldwide (the EEA has 15 representatives). I'm unsure about your remarks concerning missiles and spacecraft - I'm not aware of any UK companies that are significant players in those sectors.JCB are used all over the globe and the new ones run on hydrogen they are world leaders in their field...
Airbus wouldn't take off whithout the UK. Where do you think the wings are made and the fuel systems, ground controls and navigation controls?
BAE systems are major players in missile and space technology
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 14, 2024 20:27:29 GMT
My recollection of the Channel Tunnel and high speed link to it was of mockery from the french for our nimbyism, and their pointing to their express rollout of the Eurostar track at their end But the fact is, the french end of that goes through barely populated fields no one gives a fuck about, whilst other french tail projects are fought over tooth and nail. My guess therefore is this new European project is once again bulldozing land to build track beds where nobody gov s a flying one, hence the relative lack of expense I never knew John , the BNP and its followers were so rabidly pro EU. I suppose its because I never really paid much attention to them before .I was aware of the economically left / socially right , but then historically left wing parties from Sinn Fein , the snp to labour have for long periods been anti EEC / EU. So is this infatuation of dans a new thing among the grass roots ? Genuine question John , knowing your political background , long terms views. you and dan though despite being similar in many ways ,are at the polar end of the spectrum from each other on the EU it appears. You forget Hitler and Mussolini both got the trains running on time.. allegedly. I'm a bit confused at where you're going here. I've had a distinct liking for trains for decades. Even back before 2001 when airport departures were relatively simple, the fact is I could get my arse, even before the advent of the tunnel, from my home in Wales to a client in several cities on the European mainland while a flier was still looking for his luggage and a bus... WITH the channel tunnel my ex-moslem mate and I could get our arses to the Air traffic control tower of Babel at Maastricht to chat about 'integration' before some arriving by air had got through passport control I'm a scientist turned engineer. I was on the inaugural run of the HST 125 '252001' from London to Swansea at the invitation of the Institute of Mechanical Engineers, who invited a load of physics A Level students hoping to interest us in a career in engineering. And i know that no TGV or Thalys or whatever they call the purple TGVs that serve SNCB can run on UK soil, because the political wankspangles that 'unified' the European railways with their seemingly identical rolling stock and engines actually deliberately designed utterly incompatible signalling systems, ensuring there would never be truly pan European integration. Eurostars have three totally separate sets of signalling and Comms systems, and there is no physical space for a fourth, so while passengers may travel from John o groats to Bari or Fishguard to Athens, no power car can take them the whole way. Maybe you knew that, maybe not. Those portraying the unification angle try to keep it quiet, but I hope you now see, if you did not before, who I see such mirth in the subject. As for Dan, I don't know the angle he wants to explore either, although I am in agreement that there seem huge disparity in costs .... Cheers |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 14, 2024 21:30:20 GMT
I won't echo your parochialism and confine my list of things the EU does better than the UK to France, although France has a major role in most of them: - a domestically-owned motor industry, not just cars but land vehicles of all types; - a domestically-owned rail rolling stock industry - power generation systems, thermal and nuclear - machine tools - agriculture self-sufficiency - civil airliners - passenger liners and civilian vessels of all types - construction equipment - power transmission systems - domestic equipment of all types - semiconductors and other electronic hardware - radar - missiles - spacecraft - telecommunications equipment of all types etc etc
PS the UK used to be a significant player in almost all of these industries, but has lost the capability to participate in any of them.
Between 1990 and 2005 in the united kingdom I took a whole load of freelance contracts in a raft of UK registered companies paying UK tax on their profits in EVERY ONE of those industries and I know a dozen to twenty people with the same breadth of engagement and I've worked with hundreds of more industry or technology focussed freelancers and literally thousands of employees doing all of this. And that has gone. Not in a century. Not in a generation. But across the latter half of one parliament under Blair and the start of the next under Cameron and Clegg Gone. Exterminated. Fuck |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 14, 2024 22:51:10 GMT
Cobblers or not, the truth of the matter is that the UK is no longer a player in those industrial sectors which produce high-value capital goods. Its largest manufacturing sector is food and beverages, a relatively low-tech sector once you take away the process machinery which is manufactured elsewhere. As for aircraft, yes its true that Rolls-Royce is a global player along with GKN GSK. But these are the only two such companies based in the UK. JCB is a relative tiddler in the construction machinery sector, ranking 9th by revenues. It is the only UK-based company in the top 50 worldwide (the EEA has 15 representatives). I'm unsure about your remarks concerning missiles and spacecraft - I'm not aware of any UK companies that are significant players in those sectors. France manufacturing is collapsing - on the TV tonight it was Michelin closing another 2 factories, so you can see why France is falling behind the UK in manufacturing output. Which is precisely why the UK now makes more money out of manufacturing than France. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 14, 2024 23:30:57 GMT
Cobblers or not, the truth of the matter is that the UK is no longer a player in those industrial sectors which produce high-value capital goods. Its largest manufacturing sector is food and beverages, a relatively low-tech sector once you take away the process machinery which is manufactured elsewhere. As for aircraft, yes its true that Rolls-Royce is a global player along with GKN GSK. But these are the only two such companies based in the UK. JCB is a relative tiddler in the construction machinery sector, ranking 9th by revenues. It is the only UK-based company in the top 50 worldwide (the EEA has 15 representatives). I'm unsure about your remarks concerning missiles and spacecraft - I'm not aware of any UK companies that are significant players in those sectors. France manufacturing is collapsing - on the TV tonight it was Michelin closing another 2 factories, so you can see why France is falling behind the UK in manufacturing output. Which is precisely why the UK now makes more money out of manufacturing than France. Factory closures threaten thousands of jobs in France, warns industry minister
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Post by jonksy on Nov 14, 2024 23:33:24 GMT
French industry stuck in recession and outlook stays bleak, survey finds....
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 15, 2024 4:29:47 GMT
France manufacturing is collapsing - on the TV tonight it was Michelin closing another 2 factories, so you can see why France is falling behind the UK in manufacturing output. Which is precisely why the UK now makes more money out of manufacturing than France. On the other hand...
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(Alstom makes the TGV for SNCF and other international customers)
Tyres, schmyres. The UK tyre industry disappeared years ago.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 15, 2024 5:15:37 GMT
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Post by thomas on Nov 15, 2024 7:50:46 GMT
Cobblers or not, the truth of the matter is that the UK is no longer a player in those industrial sectors which produce high-value capital goods. Its largest manufacturing sector is food and beverages, a relatively low-tech sector once you take away the process machinery which is manufactured elsewhere. As for aircraft, yes its true that Rolls-Royce is a global player along with GKN GSK. But these are the only two such companies based in the UK. JCB is a relative tiddler in the construction machinery sector, ranking 9th by revenues. It is the only UK-based company in the top 50 worldwide (the EEA has 15 representatives). I'm unsure about your remarks concerning missiles and spacecraft - I'm not aware of any UK companies that are significant players in those sectors. France manufacturing is collapsing - on the TV tonight it was Michelin closing another 2 factories, so you can see why France is falling behind the UK in manufacturing output. Which is precisely why the UK now makes more money out of manufacturing than France. totally agree with what you are saying. I think though we are coming at all this from the wrong angle. The argument isnt about comparing the uk to the rEU. The argument is why the uk , and the rEU is doing so badly compared to the United States and china. 16 years ago , the American and combined European economies were almost neck and neck. Now , the yank economy is almost 50 % bigger than the entire Eu economies combined. just been reading up on an article talking about Europes ongoing economic suicide. When I say Europe I include the uk in that. European talent fleeing to America or south east Asia. Europeans drowning in red tape. tax rates crushing small business .Compliance costs killing innovation. the list goes on. As regards to France , even president macron admits all this when comparing France , and the wider Europe to America and china...  High tax , low growth , anti innovation and a regulatory culture which is creating a spiral of economic doom. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 15, 2024 8:13:58 GMT
France manufacturing is collapsing - on the TV tonight it was Michelin closing another 2 factories, so you can see why France is falling behind the UK in manufacturing output. Which is precisely why the UK now makes more money out of manufacturing than France. On the other hand...
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(Alstom makes the TGV for SNCF and other international customers)
Tyres, schmyres. The UK tyre industry disappeared years ago.
20% of Airbus is made in the UK - and as for trains, only last month a new train factory opened in Yorkshire. New Tube train factory opens in Yorkshire |
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