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Post by thomas on Nov 11, 2024 16:52:01 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 12, 2024 0:41:44 GMT
Yet more evidence to show that net zero is not only expensive and unproven, but for many people unaffordable. People will have to be forced to accept net zero, and that will breed increasing resentment.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 12, 2024 2:15:27 GMT
Yet more evidence to show that net zero is not only expensive and unproven, but for many people unaffordable. People will have to be forced to accept net zero, and that will breed increasing resentment. If you think about it, it has nothing to do with net zero and everything to do with a poorly designed system that is unserviceable. I would guess the pipes run through every room in every house and to get them out would be a case of chiselling out brickwork and then redecorating and re-plastering in every room. I mean what else would cost 60k per house? It's fucked, and no one designed a way to cheaply replace the pipes. It was a pipe dream. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 12, 2024 2:20:26 GMT
If you think about it, it has nothing to do with net zero and everything to do with a poorly designed system that is unserviceable. I would guess the pipes run through every room in every house and to get them out would be a case of chiselling out brickwork and then redecorating and re-plastering in every room. I mean what else would cost 60k per house? It's fucked, and no one designed a way to cheaply replace the pipes. It was a pipe dream. No not at all, you're missing the point which is, net zero is poorly designed. It is globally unachievable. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 12, 2024 3:50:23 GMT
If you think about it, it has nothing to do with net zero and everything to do with a poorly designed system that is unserviceable. I would guess the pipes run through every room in every house and to get them out would be a case of chiselling out brickwork and then redecorating and re-plastering in every room. I mean what else would cost 60k per house? It's fucked, and no one designed a way to cheaply replace the pipes. It was a pipe dream. No not at all, you're missing the point which is, net zero is poorly designed. It is globally unachievable. Well they say it leaks and that has nothing to do with net zero and everything to do with poor workmanship in the first place. I would hazard a guess that net zero is just an excuse to justify to the proles why the council are ripping them off. It's just the Mail fiends have seen net zero advertised and have jumped on it in a simpleton way, trying to con you into thinking net zero is breaking your bank account. I think I know of the heating pipes they talk of and they do tend to run through the walls, so what I'm saying is likely to the what is really going on at the coal face rather than the propaganda department of council offices. It's why i always warn those who read the Mail. The authors are unconcerned about accuracy. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 12, 2024 8:02:49 GMT
Why dont they just put in storage heaters - then you can leave the old pipework buried in the walls. No need for any upheaval.
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Post by thomas on Nov 12, 2024 12:40:08 GMT
No not at all, you're missing the point which is, net zero is poorly designed. It is globally unachievable. It's why i always warn those who read the Mail. The authors are unconcerned about accuracy. yes yes baron , the same can be said more or less about most platforms. They all have their inaccuracy , and hidden agendas , including your great love you tube. We are here on this thread to discuss the message , not shoot the messenger. Clearly as red says , net zero is poorly thought through , could well possibly be globally unachievable , particularly in the timescales mentioned , and of course will impact all of us massively in our wallets. This is one small story , repeated across many countries and many platforms , pointing out the same thing yet agin , the inconvenience and the cost. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 12, 2024 12:42:30 GMT
Yet more evidence to show that net zero is not only expensive and unproven, but for many people unaffordable. People will have to be forced to accept net zero, and that will breed increasing resentment. If you think about it, it has nothing to do with net zero and everything to do with a poorly designed system that is unserviceable. No you are wrong. It can apply to net zero like anything else. The net zero solution of heat pumps for example we are told for Scottish tenement flats are completely unworkable . A poorly designed system that is unserviceable for many in big cities. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 12, 2024 13:08:04 GMT
Brilliant Dumbo Rayner build build build.
By the time the developers have finished with buying the land, building materials, paying the builders more to cover the NI hike and other taxes, then all this net zero crazy madness, they'll have to bump up the prices of the houses, so no chance of affordable housing, and there wont be enough people who will be able to afford to buy them ..... Rayner/Labour they really are well and truly Dumb, the developers will realise it wont be worth their while even to stick a spade into the ground.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 12, 2024 13:30:02 GMT
Why dont they just put in storage heaters - then you can leave the old pipework buried in the walls. No need for any upheaval. Good point. I guess the money is too good to turn down. Actually if I were they I would be thinking in terms of a heat pump. You could save a lot of money if you built one big heat pump rather than 3000 small ones. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 12, 2024 13:41:55 GMT
Why dont they just put in storage heaters - then you can leave the old pipework buried in the walls. No need for any upheaval. Good point. I guess the money is too good to turn down. Actually if I were they I would be thinking in terms of a heat pump. You could save a lot of money if you built one big heat pump rather than 3000 small ones. the high costs involved , few models available for flats , space requirements and permission as well as noise issues might just be a stumbling block. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 12, 2024 14:09:32 GMT
Just listened to Claire Coutinho (Shadow sec for energy security) who said the long term outlook for the UK is higher electricity prices. She said...
...the Secretary of State (Milliband) said that we need to build every possible solar farm and wind turbine going, and that will deliver us cheap energy. But everybody knows that renewables are not cheap and if we don’t have a back up plan [Which we don't] for when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine, then we could be making the long term cost of electricity much more expensive.
Add to that, Starmer has just said at the virtue signalling COP meeting that the UK will cut emissions by 81% by 2035, up from 78%.
The US, China and even the EU are not nearly as keen on net zero as Starmer is. Perhaps someone should point out to him that he represents a tiny country that produces 0.8% of global emissions.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 12, 2024 15:14:03 GMT
Good point. I guess the money is too good to turn down. Actually if I were they I would be thinking in terms of a heat pump. You could save a lot of money if you built one big heat pump rather than 3000 small ones. the high costs involved , few models available for flats , space requirements and permission as well as noise issues might just be a stumbling block. This took me a couple of minutes to locate:
That should do the job.
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Post by thomas on Nov 12, 2024 15:20:22 GMT
the high costs involved , few models available for flats , space requirements and permission as well as noise issues might just be a stumbling block. This took me a couple of minutes to locate:
That should do the job.
It's for a European district heating grid baron , not a block of uk flats. the uk doesn't have district heating. Do you just randomly post gumpf passing it off as a solution? |
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Post by see2 on Nov 12, 2024 20:31:23 GMT
Hmm, The Daily Mail again. |
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