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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 13, 2024 10:21:16 GMT
It's just a very large heat pump. That is what I think they are best off using. You can get a COP > 5 these days with domestic ones. An industrial one would likely improve on that further. It's economy of scale. district heating systems have been around Europe for nigh on a century. The uk has tried emulating district heating , but abandoned it uk wide because we have a mixed experience with it. In the uk , it's poorly performed , inefficient and extremely expensive. We have An abundance of natural resources that many European nations dont have , hence why we went down the oil coal and gas routes. Heat pumps work at much lower temperatures than our boilers , and our houses and flats lose too much heat. District heating in Scandinavian countries for example are monopolies run as not for profit unlike in the uk. There's a whole host of reasons baron why it doesn't work in the uk , so simply throwing off a heat pump as a solution without even reading up on the mass infrastructure needed and cost is a bit silly. There's no economy of scale to it. The costs would be completely off the board , and the idea struggling residents , never mind cash strapped councils or government are going to go down the expensive route especially in the current climate in the uk is fucking laughable. www.bioregional.com/news-and-opinion/why-cant-we-get-district-heating-right-in-the-uk. Do try and draw your eyes away from you tube for a second and actually read up on what you are gibbering about instead of tossing off simplistic solutions to complex problems. If it was as fucking easy and straight forward as throwing a heat pump at every block of flats and uk home to reach net zero , dont you think the current and past government would have done it.....or councils and homeowners? I think everything more complicated than an African mud hut will be "too expensive" and "take too long" here with 'fuckwit's R us' in Blighty.
We can't even build a fucking electric car. Over in Shenzhen they are spending 1.7 billion dollars right now on landing pads for flying cars. We will get left behind, still arguing about Brexit in 50 years. I despair. All I can do is say how I would do it.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 13, 2024 10:34:25 GMT
district heating systems have been around Europe for nigh on a century. The uk has tried emulating district heating , but abandoned it uk wide because we have a mixed experience with it. In the uk , it's poorly performed , inefficient and extremely expensive. We have An abundance of natural resources that many European nations dont have , hence why we went down the oil coal and gas routes. Heat pumps work at much lower temperatures than our boilers , and our houses and flats lose too much heat. District heating in Scandinavian countries for example are monopolies run as not for profit unlike in the uk. There's a whole host of reasons baron why it doesn't work in the uk , so simply throwing off a heat pump as a solution without even reading up on the mass infrastructure needed and cost is a bit silly. There's no economy of scale to it. The costs would be completely off the board , and the idea struggling residents , never mind cash strapped councils or government are going to go down the expensive route especially in the current climate in the uk is fucking laughable. www.bioregional.com/news-and-opinion/why-cant-we-get-district-heating-right-in-the-uk. Do try and draw your eyes away from you tube for a second and actually read up on what you are gibbering about instead of tossing off simplistic solutions to complex problems. If it was as fucking easy and straight forward as throwing a heat pump at every block of flats and uk home to reach net zero , dont you think the current and past government would have done it.....or councils and homeowners? I think everything more complicated than an African mud hut will be "too expensive" and "take too long" here with 'fuckwit's R us' in Blighty.
We can't even build a fucking electric car. Over in Shenzhen they are spending 1.7 billion dollars right now on landing pads for flying cars. We will get left behind, still arguing about Brexit in 50 years. I despair. All I can do is say how I would do it.
What a fucking waste of cash... Can you see flying cars in the UK flashing across londonistan or any other major UK city skies? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 13, 2024 10:38:24 GMT
I think everything more complicated than an African mud hut will be "too expensive" and "take too long" here with 'fuckwit's R us' in Blighty.
We can't even build a fucking electric car. Over in Shenzhen they are spending 1.7 billion dollars right now on landing pads for flying cars. We will get left behind, still arguing about Brexit in 50 years. I despair. All I can do is say how I would do it.
What a fucking waste of cash... Can you see flying cars in the UK flashing across londonistan or any other major UK city skies? I don't think so. This is the future. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 13, 2024 10:46:08 GMT
What a fucking waste of cash... Can you see flying cars in the UK flashing across londonistan or any other major UK city skies? I don't think so. This is the future. Fuck me the government would like us all to use shansys pony. I wonder how many pilots licences they would allow per 1000 pedestrians? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 13, 2024 10:56:29 GMT
I don't think so. This is the future. Fuck me the government would like us all to use shansys pony. I wonder how many pilots licences they would allow per 1000 pedestrians? Well Shenzhen has 18 million population and here is a report on the state of play.
This is no joke or laughing Daily Mail story. Technology over there is accelerating at a rate we have never seen. Before fuckwit Brits have managed to build their own leccy car, the traffic over there will be some 1000 or so meters higher than us!
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Post by jonksy on Nov 13, 2024 10:59:16 GMT
Fuck me the government would like us all to use shansys pony. I wonder how many pilots licences they would allow per 1000 pedestrians? Well Shenzhen has 18 million population and here is a report on the state of play.
This is no joke or laughing Daily Mail story. Technology over there is accelerating at a rate we have never seen. Before fuckwit Brits have managed to build their own leccy car, the traffic over there will be some 1000 or so meters higher than us!
It's the usual chinese claptrap Baron.. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 13, 2024 11:42:10 GMT
Well Shenzhen has 18 million population and here is a report on the state of play.
This is no joke or laughing Daily Mail story. Technology over there is accelerating at a rate we have never seen. Before fuckwit Brits have managed to build their own leccy car, the traffic over there will be some 1000 or so meters higher than us!
It's the usual chinese claptrap Baron.. Don't be silly. It's reporting on what has happened over there. It's based on a government announcement printed in the South China Morning Post. The thing is the Brits will ignore it all and then one day they may wake up and come to the conclusion that they have totally fucked their country up and been the most stupid people in the history of the nation.
The story in this thread is an example of this, where they just can't do it, so they quote silly money. The residents have a right to feel like they are being taken to the cleaners - they damn well are. The new system should save them money, not cost them more. They should think, ah great, here is an opportunity to build the world's most advanced heating system, lets get to it. That's how engineers think. They look at the latest technology and think, we can go one step better. It's known as being in the lead. Our people though are like lepers in the field of technology. If our engineers build something it ends up like the post office computer system. No way would I get in a flying car programmed by Brits working for Fujitsu. It would be a death machine.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 13, 2024 11:51:34 GMT
It's not that hard to build a flying car - it is hard to get regulatory approval to carry passengers and to get insurance.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 13, 2024 11:55:09 GMT
Don't be silly. It's reporting on what has happened over there. It's based on a government announcement printed in the South China Morning Post. The thing is the Brits will ignore it all and then one day they may wake up and come to the conclusion that they have totally fucked their country up and been the most stupid people in the history of the nation.
The story in this thread is an example of this, where they just can't do it, so they quote silly money. The residents have a right to feel like they are being taken to the cleaners - they damn well are. The new system should save them money, not cost them more. They should think, ah great, here is an opportunity to build the world's most advanced heating system, lets get to it. That's how engineers think. They look at the latest technology and think, we can go one step better. It's known as being in the lead. Our people though are like lepers in the field of technology. If our engineers build something it ends up like the post office computer system. No way would I get in a flying car programmed by Brits working for Fujitsu. It would be a death machine.
It has flown ONLY ONCE Baron. There are not dozens of these things buzzing around in Chinese airspace...It's just a drone Amazon are using these already for delivering medicines and emergency gear..
Prosperity, an aircraft developed by Chinese company AutoFlight, in February became the first eVTOL to complete a cross-sea intercity flight between Shenzhen and Zhuhai, 70 kilometers southwest. The uncrewed flight covered a journey that would typically take two hours by car in 20 minutes.
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Post by thomas on Nov 13, 2024 11:57:17 GMT
On the continent, where flat-dwelling is more the norm, you will hardly ever come across a block of flats where every apartment has its own heating equipment. The reason being of course that having a central system which heats the complete block makes better sense on so many levels. A big plus being only one gas line in the building rather than one for each flat. These days new builds are likely to have a central heat pump. Individual metering is usually done by calorific meters attached to each radiator, the landlord reading them once a year and billing you accordingly. Again these days there are likely to be higher-tech solutions available which obviate the need for the meter-man to enter your apartment. if you care to read the article I posted , it specifically deals with the comparison of how uk infrastructure works compared to Europe on this very point , and why that is. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 13, 2024 11:59:44 GMT
district heating systems have been around Europe for nigh on a century. The uk has tried emulating district heating , but abandoned it uk wide because we have a mixed experience with it. In the uk , it's poorly performed , inefficient and extremely expensive. We have An abundance of natural resources that many European nations dont have , hence why we went down the oil coal and gas routes. Heat pumps work at much lower temperatures than our boilers , and our houses and flats lose too much heat. District heating in Scandinavian countries for example are monopolies run as not for profit unlike in the uk. There's a whole host of reasons baron why it doesn't work in the uk , so simply throwing off a heat pump as a solution without even reading up on the mass infrastructure needed and cost is a bit silly. There's no economy of scale to it. The costs would be completely off the board , and the idea struggling residents , never mind cash strapped councils or government are going to go down the expensive route especially in the current climate in the uk is fucking laughable. www.bioregional.com/news-and-opinion/why-cant-we-get-district-heating-right-in-the-uk. Do try and draw your eyes away from you tube for a second and actually read up on what you are gibbering about instead of tossing off simplistic solutions to complex problems. If it was as fucking easy and straight forward as throwing a heat pump at every block of flats and uk home to reach net zero , dont you think the current and past government would have done it.....or councils and homeowners? I think everything more complicated than an African mud hut will be "too expensive" and "take too long" here with 'fuckwit's R us' in Blighty.
We can't even build a fucking electric car. Over in Shenzhen they are spending 1.7 billion dollars right now on landing pads for flying cars. We will get left behind, still arguing about Brexit in 50 years. I despair. All I can do is say how I would do it.
dont argue with me baron. I dont support the uks energy or infrastructure policies. We appear to have stored up collosul problems over many decades due to short term government thinking. I was merely pointing out the problems with your simplistic solution . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 13, 2024 12:14:50 GMT
It's not that hard to build a flying car - it is hard to get regulatory approval to carry passengers and to get insurance. Look, if you people actually spared the time to watch the videos I post you would know that over in China they have set the whole apparatus up. If you lived there you could today walk in and apply for a flying taxi licence where you can earn 300k yuan per year, which is a lot of money in that country. It's no longer the vapourware of a US IPO firm. It's not just one firm making them either, but many different models are coming out in all shapes and sizes. You need 5G networks that work up to 3000m and they are building these base stations now. In Britain we are not making any technological progress at all and our manufacturing will shut down completely in the coming years. In a word, our nation is in grave trouble. Expect to be very poor in the future. We are going from being the most technologically advanced country in the world to being third world and strewn with wars and violence plus a Marxist government to boot. It's not where I want to be. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 13, 2024 12:18:43 GMT
It's not that hard to build a flying car - it is hard to get regulatory approval to carry passengers and to get insurance. Look, if you people actually spared the time to watch the videos I post you would know that over in China they have set the whole apparatus up. If you lived there you could today walk in and apply for a flying taxi licence where you can earn 300k yuan per year, which is a lot of money in that country. It's no longer the vapourware of a US IPO firm. It's not just one firm making them either, but many different models are coming out in all shapes and sizes. You need 5G networks that work up to 3000m and they are building these base stations now. In Britain we are not making any technological progress at all and our manufacturing will shut down completely in the coming years. In a word, our nation is in grave trouble. Expect to be very poor in the future. We are going from being the most technologically advanced country in the world to being third world and strewn with wars and violence plus a Marxist government to boot. It's not where I want to be. Your video just shows an UNMANNED drone Baron...The same as Amazon have been using since mid pandemic... |
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Post by thomas on Nov 13, 2024 12:25:47 GMT
It's not that hard to build a flying car - it is hard to get regulatory approval to carry passengers and to get insurance. Look, if you people actually spared the time to watch the videos I post you would know that over in China they have set the whole apparatus up. dan dare cant be arsed reading 11 lines of a small article I quoted comparing European district heating and why its currently unworkable in the uk , and you expect people like him with the attention span of a gnat to watch hour long videos about china? No one cares baron. you need to be as short and to the point as you can. I know its hard , and im as guilty as any for not summarising succinctly my points at times , but it simply bores people to tears listening to you waffle on about china. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 13, 2024 12:27:37 GMT
Look, if you people actually spared the time to watch the videos I post you would know that over in China they have set the whole apparatus up. If you lived there you could today walk in and apply for a flying taxi licence where you can earn 300k yuan per year, which is a lot of money in that country. It's no longer the vapourware of a US IPO firm. It's not just one firm making them either, but many different models are coming out in all shapes and sizes. You need 5G networks that work up to 3000m and they are building these base stations now. In Britain we are not making any technological progress at all and our manufacturing will shut down completely in the coming years. In a word, our nation is in grave trouble. Expect to be very poor in the future. We are going from being the most technologically advanced country in the world to being third world and strewn with wars and violence plus a Marxist government to boot. It's not where I want to be. Your video just shows an UNMANNED drone Baron...The same as Amazon have been using since mid pandemic... You are wrong. |
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