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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 19:47:10 GMT
His popularity had mostly evaporated and he had become a liability, an integrity free zone and people were thinking enough is enough. That they replaced him with the disastrous Truss was just a massive own goal. And now Sunak has to try and undo the damage of that calamitous decision. And polling actually showed that the public preferred Sunak over Truss and trusted him more on the economy. The silly old duffers who make up much of the membership ignored that. That ^ is simply not true. Boris was unpopular with people who had never liked him, and Sunak was at the front of the queue. But generally speaking Boris remained popular with Tory voters, and the Tory party know it. What exactly was his crime? What exactly was he sacked for? having a drink, eating a piece of cake? I'll tell you this in absolute confidence, if Tory backbenchers could turn back the clock, there isn't a snowballs chance in hell they would get rid of Boris. Appointing Sunak was a just as big a mistake as getting rid of Boris. Conservative party members voted for Truss not Sunak but the Conservative parliamentary party wanted Sunak, so they sacked Truss and appointed Sunak. What sort of a message is that? It was a slap in the face not only for party members who voted for Truss, but to the electorate who voted for Boris. Tory back benchers are a disgrace, they have handed the next election to Labour, and the 1922 committee know it. You are mistaking popularity amongst the Tory membership for popularity in the country at large. The serial lack of integrity and blatant dishonesty from Boris was seriously impacting polling in a negative way for the party. He'd become a liability. And the fact that much of the membership is out of touch is demonstrated by their choice of Truss when all the polling was telling them that more would have preferred Sunak. That Truss and Kwarteng wrought economic disaster in so short a space of time tells you all you need to know. They had to be removed or we'd have faced calamity. Yet evidently the average Tory party member is too stupid to grasp any of this. As you seem to be demonstrating. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 11, 2022 19:52:02 GMT
Because that is what the Westminster party and its followers do, constantly try and hoodwink you. But then luckily we both know that. Running a country is so simple, to the simple minded. The principles involved in running a country are equivalent to those involved in running a business, only politicians can make it so much more difficult. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 11, 2022 19:57:37 GMT
Running a country is so simple, to the simple minded. The principles involved in running a country are equivalent to those involved in running a business, only politicians can make it so much more difficult. There might be some similarities but there is definitely no equivalence. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 11, 2022 20:14:17 GMT
Because that is what the Westminster party and its followers do, constantly try and hoodwink you. But then luckily we both know that. Running a country is so simple, to the simple minded. According to their manifestos it is. Which the simple minded vote for, not you of course, oh but wait!!! |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 11, 2022 21:53:34 GMT
Running a country is so simple, to the simple minded. The principles involved in running a country are equivalent to those involved in running a business, only politicians can make it so much more difficult. No. Not really. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 11, 2022 22:18:50 GMT
That ^ is simply not true. Boris was unpopular with people who had never liked him, and Sunak was at the front of the queue. But generally speaking Boris remained popular with Tory voters, and the Tory party know it. What exactly was his crime? What exactly was he sacked for? having a drink, eating a piece of cake? I'll tell you this in absolute confidence, if Tory backbenchers could turn back the clock, there isn't a snowballs chance in hell they would get rid of Boris. Appointing Sunak was a just as big a mistake as getting rid of Boris. Conservative party members voted for Truss not Sunak but the Conservative parliamentary party wanted Sunak, so they sacked Truss and appointed Sunak. What sort of a message is that? It was a slap in the face not only for party members who voted for Truss, but to the electorate who voted for Boris. Tory back benchers are a disgrace, they have handed the next election to Labour, and the 1922 committee know it. You are mistaking popularity amongst the Tory membership for popularity in the country at large. The serial lack of integrity and blatant dishonesty from Boris was seriously impacting polling in a negative way for the party. He'd become a liability. And the fact that much of the membership is out of touch is demonstrated by their choice of Truss when all the polling was telling them that more would have preferred Sunak. That Truss and Kwarteng wrought economic disaster in so short a space of time tells you all you need to know. They had to be removed or we'd have faced calamity. Yet evidently the average Tory party member is too stupid to grasp any of this. As you seem to be demonstrating. Well I'm not sure who is being stupid as the polling support for the Tory party has got worse since Johnson was deposed |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 11, 2022 22:41:56 GMT
The principles involved in running a country are equivalent to those involved in running a business, only politicians can make it so much more difficult. No. Not really. Yes, really, the principles should be the same. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 12, 2022 7:45:47 GMT
You are mistaking popularity amongst the Tory membership for popularity in the country at large. The serial lack of integrity and blatant dishonesty from Boris was seriously impacting polling in a negative way for the party. He'd become a liability. And the fact that much of the membership is out of touch is demonstrated by their choice of Truss when all the polling was telling them that more would have preferred Sunak. That Truss and Kwarteng wrought economic disaster in so short a space of time tells you all you need to know. They had to be removed or we'd have faced calamity. Yet evidently the average Tory party member is too stupid to grasp any of this. As you seem to be demonstrating. Well I'm not sure who is being stupid as the polling support for the Tory party has got worse since Johnson was deposed Under Truss, the decline continued that had already started under Boris. The by elections in Chesham and Honiton had already shown Boris was an electoral liability. Sunak has actually improved things slightly, remains to be seen if this continues.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 12, 2022 8:01:10 GMT
So the Tories have tried 2 leaders - one from the right of the party and one from the left, and both have worse polling figures than Johnson.
Perhaps the Johnson magic was worth something after all..
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 12, 2022 8:18:21 GMT
Hmm. Interesting. So what magic did he work in Chesham and Honiton then? He'd lost his respect with the public already, and that's why the Tories had to dump him.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 12, 2022 8:32:21 GMT
Hmm. Interesting. So what magic did he work in Chesham and Honiton then? He'd lost his respect with the public already, and that's why the Tories had to dump him. Well Chesham was interesting - you had a LibDem campaign demanding exactly the opposite of the policies which the national LibDems advocate. In fact the policies being advocated by the local LibDems in the campaign were exactly what Tory members have been demanding for years. Stunts like that work great in a by-election but simply do not work in a national one - so anyone putting much faith in that result either way needs to be very circumspect. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 12, 2022 8:34:34 GMT
So you are alleging that this vote was pro LibDems rather than anti Johnson? 🤔
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 12, 2022 8:55:23 GMT
So you are alleging that this vote was pro LibDems rather than anti Johnson? 🤔 It was the pro the policies that the local LibDems were advocating - policies that they could not advocate at a General election. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 9:13:08 GMT
You are mistaking popularity amongst the Tory membership for popularity in the country at large. The serial lack of integrity and blatant dishonesty from Boris was seriously impacting polling in a negative way for the party. He'd become a liability. And the fact that much of the membership is out of touch is demonstrated by their choice of Truss when all the polling was telling them that more would have preferred Sunak. That Truss and Kwarteng wrought economic disaster in so short a space of time tells you all you need to know. They had to be removed or we'd have faced calamity. Yet evidently the average Tory party member is too stupid to grasp any of this. As you seem to be demonstrating. Well I'm not sure who is being stupid as the polling support for the Tory party has got worse since Johnson was deposed That's because of the disastrous Truss whom you lot of membership fools seem to love. Sunak or anyone else is unlikely to undo her damage very quickly if at all. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 12, 2022 9:36:43 GMT
Well I'm not sure who is being stupid as the polling support for the Tory party has got worse since Johnson was deposed That's because of the disastrous Truss whom you lot of membership fools seem to love. Sunak or anyone else is unlikely to undo her damage very quickly if at all. Which particular political madness are the Left backing today? You wanted Sunak and got him, the amusement watching you back him is fun,fun,fun. |
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