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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 10, 2022 10:37:00 GMT
The Tories lost any chance of winning when they imposed Sunak on the country. They lost at least 30% of their voters when they did that. Should've stuck with Boris. If they still had Boris and IF they managed to sort out the immigration problems they would have still won the next GE. But they've screwed it now. Agreed with SRB. Boris had already lost the country, that was obvious. He was a one trick wonder. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 10, 2022 10:45:51 GMT
The Tories lost any chance of winning when they imposed Sunak on the country. They lost at least 30% of their voters when they did that. Should've stuck with Boris. If they still had Boris and IF they managed to sort out the immigration problems they would have still won the next GE. But they've screwed it now. I don't want any of them, including Labour and Lib Dems and I gues there's millions in the country with the same view. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 10, 2022 21:37:09 GMT
The Tories lost any chance of winning when they imposed Sunak on the country. They lost at least 30% of their voters when they did that. Should've stuck with Boris. If they still had Boris and IF they managed to sort out the immigration problems they would have still won the next GE. But they've screwed it now. I don't want any of them, including Labour and Lib Dems and I gues there's millions in the country with the same view. Why keep voting for your own downfall, it is a sure sign of madness, constantly doing the same thing expecting a different outcome. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 10, 2022 23:00:34 GMT
I don't want any of them, including Labour and Lib Dems and I gues there's millions in the country with the same view. Why keep voting for your own downfall, it is a sure sign of madness, constantly doing the same thing expecting a different outcome. I haven't voted for other than UKIP and the odd independent. In the case of UKIP it was in the EU elections. I also canvassed for them as I was ready to do with the Brexit Party until they pulled their candiidates to help the Tories up in the northern part of Lincolnshire. It was hard to forgive at the time and even harder in view of the crap that has transpired since. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 11, 2022 7:50:18 GMT
The Tories lost any chance of winning when they imposed Sunak on the country. They lost at least 30% of their voters when they did that. Should've stuck with Boris. If they still had Boris and IF they managed to sort out the immigration problems they would have still won the next GE. But they've screwed it now. This utterly refuses to recognise what a liability Boris himself had already become. The Tories were already destined for defeat with him at the helm. His serial dishonesty and lack of integrity was undermining both him and his party. He had become utterly toxic. Of course the Tories made a disastrous decision in replacing him with Truss which greatly worsened their situation. And Sunak is unlikely to undo much of that damage by presiding over an economy in which we are all getting poorer. But neither would Boris.I don't think that the policies of Boris, Truss or Sunak are very different. The fundamental problems remain the same and the only way to address them is to spend a lot of money supporting people hit by energy/inflation and raise taxes. The only real difference is that Truss wanted to cut Corporation tax (which I agree with) - and of course the presentation. Truss got the presentation sensationally wrong of course, but I can't help thinking that the Sunak camp had some involvement in just how bad the City's reaction was. There were a lot of Tory MPs who were determined to get shot of Boris and install Sunak - no matter how. And many of them are now trying to reverse Brexit. It's all a Remoaner plot IMO. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 11, 2022 8:04:56 GMT
The Tories lost any chance of winning when they imposed Sunak on the country. They lost at least 30% of their voters when they did that. Should've stuck with Boris. If they still had Boris and IF they managed to sort out the immigration problems they would have still won the next GE. But they've screwed it now. Absolutely agree, the electorate did not want Sunak, and still don't. I have thought many times over the past few months that Tory back benchers will now be regretting sending those letters of no confidence in Boris, to Sir Graham Brady. Getting rid of Boris was a massive mistake, I still don't understand the rationale of back benchers getting rid of a popular prime minister who was elected with such a huge majority, and the utter pantomime that followed has sealed the Tories fate. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 8:14:52 GMT
This utterly refuses to recognise what a liability Boris himself had already become. The Tories were already destined for defeat with him at the helm. His serial dishonesty and lack of integrity was undermining both him and his party. He had become utterly toxic. Of course the Tories made a disastrous decision in replacing him with Truss which greatly worsened their situation. And Sunak is unlikely to undo much of that damage by presiding over an economy in which we are all getting poorer. But neither would Boris.I don't think that the policies of Boris, Truss or Sunak are very different. The fundamental problems remain the same and the only way to address them is to spend a lot of money supporting people hit by energy/inflation and raise taxes. The only real difference is that Truss wanted to cut Corporation tax (which I agree with) - and of course the presentation. Truss got the presentation sensationally wrong of course, but I can't help thinking that the Sunak camp had some involvement in just how bad the City's reaction was. There were a lot of Tory MPs who were determined to get shot of Boris and install Sunak - no matter how. And many of them are now trying to reverse Brexit. It's all a Remoaner plot IMO. Truss's agenda was actually very different from that of Boris and very different from Sunak's. It was an agenda of tax cuts targeted towards the better off regardless of economic circumstances and entirely unfunded, in the vague hope that it would all somehow work out well in the end. And it did far less than Boris had for the least well off in the form of his big hikes to thresholds, freezing them instead. This latter regressive policy Sunak - the original architect of it as chancellor - is continuing and extending. But unlike Truss he is not cutting the top rate of tax. On the contrary, he is reducing the threshold at which it kicks in, making the rich pay a bit more rather than lobbing tax cuts their way. These are big differences. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 8:19:39 GMT
The Tories lost any chance of winning when they imposed Sunak on the country. They lost at least 30% of their voters when they did that. Should've stuck with Boris. If they still had Boris and IF they managed to sort out the immigration problems they would have still won the next GE. But they've screwed it now. Absolutely agree, the electorate did not want Sunak, and still don't. I have thought many times over the past few months that Tory back benchers will now be regretting sending those letters of no confidence in Boris, to Sir Graham Brady. Getting rid of Boris was a massive mistake, I still don't understand the rationale of back benchers getting rid of a popular prime minister who was elected with such a huge majority, and the utter pantomime that followed has sealed the Tories fate. His popularity had mostly evaporated and he had become a liability, an integrity free zone and people were thinking enough is enough. That they replaced him with the disastrous Truss was just a massive own goal. And now Sunak has to try and undo the damage of that calamitous decision. And polling actually showed that the public preferred Sunak over Truss and trusted him more on the economy. The silly old duffers who make up much of the membership ignored that. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 11, 2022 8:32:10 GMT
The Tories lost any chance of winning when they imposed Sunak on the country. They lost at least 30% of their voters when they did that. Should've stuck with Boris. If they still had Boris and IF they managed to sort out the immigration problems they would have still won the next GE. But they've screwed it now. That^^. Absolutely agree, the electorate did not want Sunak, and still don't. I have thought many times over the past few months that Tory back benchers will now be regretting sending those letters of no confidence in Boris, to Sir Graham Brady. Getting rid of Boris was a massive mistake, I still don't understand the rationale of back benchers getting rid of a popular prime minister who was elected with such a huge majority, and the utter pantomime that followed has sealed the Tories fate. And that^^. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 11, 2022 8:52:49 GMT
His popularity had mostly evaporated and he had become a liability, an integrity free zone and people were thinking enough is enough. That they replaced him with the disastrous Truss was just a massive own goal. And now Sunak has to try and undo the damage of that calamitous decision. And polling actually showed that the public preferred Sunak over Truss and trusted him more on the economy. The silly old duffers who make up much of the membership ignored that. That ^ is simply not true. Boris was unpopular with people who had never liked him, and Sunak was at the front of the queue. But generally speaking Boris remained popular with Tory voters, and the Tory party know it. What exactly was his crime? What exactly was he sacked for? having a drink, eating a piece of cake? I'll tell you this in absolute confidence, if Tory backbenchers could turn back the clock, there isn't a snowballs chance in hell they would get rid of Boris. Appointing Sunak was a just as big a mistake as getting rid of Boris. Conservative party members voted for Truss not Sunak but the Conservative parliamentary party wanted Sunak, so they sacked Truss and appointed Sunak. What sort of a message is that? It was a slap in the face not only for party members who voted for Truss, but to the electorate who voted for Boris. Tory back benchers are a disgrace, they have handed the next election to Labour, and the 1922 committee know it. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 11, 2022 9:20:19 GMT
Dunno about that, Red. I'm not a Tory party member but I always preferred Sunak to Truss. Indeed, I see Sunak as the natural choice for PM. I agree though that getting rid of Boris was a massive mistake. And Boris was right in his comments about "The herd" - they all misread the situation ousted Boris through a misguided fear of guilt by association.
From 80 seat majority to impending electoral disaster. Idiots.
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Post by see2 on Dec 11, 2022 9:31:58 GMT
The Tories lost any chance of winning when they imposed Sunak on the country. They lost at least 30% of their voters when they did that. Should've stuck with Boris. If they still had Boris and IF they managed to sort out the immigration problems they would have still won the next GE. But they've screwed it now. Absolutely agree, the electorate did not want Sunak, and still don't. I have thought many times over the past few months that Tory back benchers will now be regretting sending those letters of no confidence in Boris, to Sir Graham Brady. Getting rid of Boris was a massive mistake, I still don't understand the rationale of back benchers getting rid of a popular prime minister who was elected with such a huge majority, and the utter pantomime that followed has sealed the Tories fate. Boris had become the laughing stock of Toryism, lying to the Queen, ignoring his own Covid 19 lock-down rules and few will forgive him for being responsible for so many Covid deaths in the early months 2020, that was probably the biggest bollock dropped by Boris. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 11, 2022 9:38:27 GMT
A quick reminder of the by elections in Wakefield and Tiverton.
Campaigning in Tiverton showed little sign of the love for Johnson amongst Tory voters. Johnson’s lies, laziness and corruption destroyed trust in the Tory party that will take many years to rebuild especially after Truss’s appalling time in office. Have to say Sunak seems pretty bland and almost irrelevant.
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Post by jaydee on Dec 11, 2022 9:41:47 GMT
His popularity had mostly evaporated and he had become a liability, an integrity free zone and people were thinking enough is enough. That they replaced him with the disastrous Truss was just a massive own goal. And now Sunak has to try and undo the damage of that calamitous decision. And polling actually showed that the public preferred Sunak over Truss and trusted him more on the economy. The silly old duffers who make up much of the membership ignored that. That ^ is simply not true. Boris was unpopular with people who had never liked him, and Sunak was at the front of the queue. But generally speaking Boris remained popular with Tory voters, and the Tory party know it. What exactly was his crime? What exactly was he sacked for? having a drink, eating a piece of cake? I'll tell you this in absolute confidence, if Tory backbenchers could turn back the clock, there isn't a snowballs chance in hell they would get rid of Boris. Appointing Sunak was a just as big a mistake as getting rid of Boris. Conservative party members voted for Truss not Sunak but the Conservative parliamentary party wanted Sunak, so they sacked Truss and appointed Sunak. What sort of a message is that? It was a slap in the face not only for party members who voted for Truss, but to the electorate who voted for Boris. Tory back benchers are a disgrace, they have handed the next election to Labour, and the 1922 committee know it. When you read the racist prats on here ranting about Markel. And the fore runners of Reform being UKIP. As that bunch of racist prats stated Markel will taint the Royal blood. Racist prats in English press feed this as they rant more racism. Do you honestly believe hate filled racist England is going to vote in a Prime Minister a millionaire of Indian extraction. How dare his wife have Non Dom status, be Indian and a billionaire. As Reform rant The vaccines make you magnetic, didn’t you know? And Covid is a form of biological warfare, released by the Chinese to weaken the West. New 5G technology is melting people’s brains and the Bank of England is owned by the Rothschilds. And all that woke shit. You will swallow hook line and sinker. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 11, 2022 9:43:44 GMT
Dunno about that, Red. I'm not a Tory party member but I always preferred Sunak to Truss. Indeed, I see Sunak as the natural choice for PM. I agree though that getting rid of Boris was a massive mistake. And Boris was right in his comments about "The herd" - they all misread the situation ousted Boris through a misguided fear of guilt by association. From 80 seat majority to impending electoral disaster. Idiots. I'm not suggesting Truss was 100% popular, but the fact remains the membership were given a vote and the majority voted for Truss, who was immediately sacked. The parliamentary conservative party couldn't risk another vote because they knew their man Sunak was not popular. So they appointed him. Back benchers and the 1922 committee have not shot themselves in the foot, they have shot themselves in both feet and both legs. |
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