Rachel Reeves 'I was wrong', **I was lying

best thing though to teach them. I remember my dad ( Scottish tory) telling me all about labour governments in the seventies. I lost my job three times under labour when they were last in power . you cant imagine the hell of a labour government until you live under one  , and only then do you realise .

Yours too most like then as well. Time will tell in future voting patterns. I do suspect many are being fooled by what the algorithms are feeding them but lets see. I am far more willing to apologise for being wrong and to change my mind than most when it comes to new facts emerging from such things as measured voting patterns.

we will have to agree to disagree then won't we regarding the lesser of two evils.

 As for the fptp system , im not saying 40 % is an acceptable benchmark , simply that it was the norm at one stage , and that starmer has fallen well short of that , in terms of percentage points , and in terms of millions of voters. I keep saying this is why all hell and fury is being unleashed upon labour , he doesn't have the popular support or mandate to push through policy , he may have the parliamentary numbers , but not the public support. Not sure what you arent understanding about this? 

 We were told by labour themselves Corby's 2019 result was the worst labour result in history. Starmer took half  a million votes less. Cant you see how labour are responsible for delegitimising their own election result in 2024?

 I never stay at home Steve. I always vote. It's time English labour give the good people of england the same opportunity they gave to us Scots , irish and welsh ,and bring in a proportional system. Of course labour won't , as they are too chickenshit and have no backbone.

 Not to mention a proportional system would flag up the truth about labours lack of real democratic support that fptp masks anti democratically  by dishing out two thirds of seats on a third of the vote.

 I cant recall any country in the so called civilised west going through such a farce of a voting system. no mandate labour only win when people stay at home , and its a lesson I hope Joe Public learns well over the next five years.

Anyway, early start for me tomorrow so time to turn in. So let us part for the evening on a friendly and jocular note. The point you make about Starmer getting so many fewer votes than Corbyn is one I love winding some of my former comrades up with when they go on about the worst result in their history. The crap they come out with in an attempt to explain away this inconvenient truth is invariably rather entertaining. I have an advantage over you in that I can remember many of their names locally - having known them personally - and thus find them easy to locate and wind up on FB. I have a private game I like to play to see how many end up blocking me. It is into double figures now, lol. They really don't handle inconvenient facts very well at all, especially when they shoot down their preferred bullshit mantras. 

Anyway, goodnight to you, and best wishes.

many labour voters like to stereotype people , or put everyone into these little political niches to suit their own prejudices and worldview. This isnt necessarily aimed at mr Benn , but you can see this in action with the likes of see 2 , describing everyone who doesn't agree with him as far right , implying they are extremist etc etc.

reform came second to labour in 89 seats , two thirds of which were in the red wall areas. Clearly they are a massive threat to labour as I explained to Steve earlier.  more young people under 30  voted reform uk than voted tory , with something like 10 % voting for the party. 

 The idea reform are simply taking the blue rinse vote off the tories in south east england is of course delusional. How any youngster can vote labour in england is beyond me , when you consider this is the party that saddled Englands young with tuition fees , and placed house prices out of the reach of the young , and are now attacking the young and low paid with their regressive budget.
 

Those without experience voted in ignorance. Those with experience voted without ignorance.

Decades of experience shaped my vote.

If the EU had reformed it would have been different, but it didn't. It left me expecting things to carry on badly if we'd stayed. Thank goodness I wasn't alone. Thank goodness we left.