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Post by Dogburger on Nov 7, 2024 21:30:45 GMT
Assault ? Thats what you get charged with for throwing a milkshake at someone ,the MP should be charged with ABH . IMO the difference between Common Assault can cover a viable verbal threat, shove or a slap, for ABH a visible bruise graze or slight cut I think ABH is an assault that causes injury or pain . Being punched half a dozen times would IMO constitute a bit more than a 'shove or a slap' I would be surprised if the other guy didn't have at least some bruising . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 7, 2024 23:14:47 GMT
Just for interest...  ' ABH refers to the infliction of harm beyond transient pain or discomfort, whereas GBH involves severe harm resulting in long-term physical or psychological consequences'. I have to say, I'm not entirely on board with this definition from JD Solicitors link Who decides what long-term physical or psychological consequences are? A quack, an insurance company, council for the prosecution perhaps. These days as far as I can see, shouting at a fragile lefty could result in psychological injury, or GBH. |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 8, 2024 9:20:54 GMT
IMO the difference between Common Assault can cover a viable verbal threat, shove or a slap, for ABH a visible bruise graze or slight cut I think ABH is an assault that causes injury or pain . Being punched half a dozen times would IMO constitute a bit more than a 'shove or a slap' I would be surprised if the other guy didn't have at least some bruising . I would have thought ABH would have been more appropriate given the first punch knocked his victim flat on his back, the other punches he threw did not appear to hit home, I agree I would have thought the punch that did hit home would have resulted in a bruise , but the CPS decide what they charge suspects with |
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Post by Dogburger on Nov 8, 2024 10:20:31 GMT
I think ABH is an assault that causes injury or pain . Being punched half a dozen times would IMO constitute a bit more than a 'shove or a slap' I would be surprised if the other guy didn't have at least some bruising . I would have thought ABH would have been more appropriate given the first punch knocked his victim flat on his back, the other punches he threw did not appear to hit home, I agree I would have thought the punch that did hit home would have resulted in a bruise , but the CPS decide what they charge suspects with I'm sure you know how the CPS works more that I do Handy but they do seem to be very selective on who they charge with what .The lesser charge I suppose encourages a guilty plea and a quick turnaround of cases but I feel getting the man into court and letting them decide is more important . What the CPS has actually done here is instructed the court on the outcome before they have even looked at the case . With no previous the Labour MP is going to get a fine , maybe a couple of months suspended and a bit of compo to the victim ,there really is no need to waste the courts time . |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 8, 2024 11:32:38 GMT
I would have thought ABH would have been more appropriate given the first punch knocked his victim flat on his back, the other punches he threw did not appear to hit home, I agree I would have thought the punch that did hit home would have resulted in a bruise , but the CPS decide what they charge suspects with I'm sure you know how the CPS works more that I do Handy but they do seem to be very selective on who they charge with what .The lesser charge I suppose encourages a guilty plea and a quick turnaround of cases but I feel getting the man into court and letting them decide is more important . What the CPS has actually done here is instructed the court on the outcome before they have even looked at the case . With no previous the Labour MP is going to get a fine , maybe a couple of months suspended and a bit of compo to the victim ,there really is no need to waste the courts time . The CPS can only charge a person if the evidence is strong enough and they consider they have a reasonable chance of securing a conviction at the end of the day, there is no way they can influence the Court the outcome of any trial that is down to the Court to decide, the Magistrate or Judge can even decide if there is no case to answer if they think the evidence is too weak If the CPS think the evidence is weak they will not charge a person or even contemplate going to trial, each and every case is based on its evidential merit. PS Common Assault Common assault is when a person inflicts violence on someone else or makes them think they are going to be attacked. It does not have to involve physical violence. Threatening words or a raised fist is enough for the crime to have been committed provided the victim thinks that they are about to be attacked. Spitting at someone is another example. He could if convicted get 6 months inside but IMHO highly unlikely |
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Post by Dogburger on Nov 8, 2024 13:28:53 GMT
I'm sure you know how the CPS works more that I do Handy but they do seem to be very selective on who they charge with what .The lesser charge I suppose encourages a guilty plea and a quick turnaround of cases but I feel getting the man into court and letting them decide is more important . What the CPS has actually done here is instructed the court on the outcome before they have even looked at the case . With no previous the Labour MP is going to get a fine , maybe a couple of months suspended and a bit of compo to the victim ,there really is no need to waste the courts time . The CPS can only charge a person if the evidence is strong enough and they consider they have a reasonable chance of securing a conviction at the end of the day, there is no way they can influence the Court the outcome of any trial that is down to the Court to decide, the Magistrate or Judge can even decide if there is no case to answer if they think the evidence is too weak If the CPS think the evidence is weak they will not charge a person or even contemplate going to trial, each and every case is based on its evidential merit. PS Common Assault Common assault is when a person inflicts violence on someone else or makes them think they are going to be attacked. It does not have to involve physical violence. Threatening words or a raised fist is enough for the crime to have been committed provided the victim thinks that they are about to be attacked. Spitting at someone is another example. He could if convicted get 6 months inside but IMHO highly unlikely Thanks for that clarification Handy , I guess what Im trying to say is that though the court can throw out the charges for the evidence being too weak they don't seem to be able to upgrade the charge if they don't think they are strong enough . Which again brings the question of is the CPS political ? The stock answer of course is no ,but I have my doubts especially given that the one time head of it had been a member of the Labour party since he was 16 ,was given a safe Labour seat when he quit the job and is now the PM . |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 8, 2024 14:31:44 GMT
The CPS can only charge a person if the evidence is strong enough and they consider they have a reasonable chance of securing a conviction at the end of the day, there is no way they can influence the Court the outcome of any trial that is down to the Court to decide, the Magistrate or Judge can even decide if there is no case to answer if they think the evidence is too weak If the CPS think the evidence is weak they will not charge a person or even contemplate going to trial, each and every case is based on its evidential merit. PS Common Assault Common assault is when a person inflicts violence on someone else or makes them think they are going to be attacked. It does not have to involve physical violence. Threatening words or a raised fist is enough for the crime to have been committed provided the victim thinks that they are about to be attacked. Spitting at someone is another example. He could if convicted get 6 months inside but IMHO highly unlikely Thanks for that clarification Handy , I guess what Im trying to say is that though the court can throw out the charges for the evidence being too weak they don't seem to be able to upgrade the charge if they don't think they are strong enough . Which again brings the question of is the CPS political ? The stock answer of course is no ,but I have my doubts especially given that the one time head of it had been a member of the Labour party since he was 16 ,was given a safe Labour seat when he quit the job and is now the PM . Even if he was still the head of the CPS this would not have landed on his desk, they have rafts of Barristers that evaluate all Police Files dozens of them which are sent to them day in day out to decide who is charged and what with IMHO |
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Post by Rebirth on Nov 8, 2024 17:00:52 GMT
im arguing anyone who feels threated should take preventive action The man you refer to had his hands in his pockets when he was punched,do you regard hands in pockets threatening behaviour? As we can see, Labour supporters are mostly made up of violent imports overseen by hordes of far-left dogshit. We even have the most retarded Foreign Secretary ever threatening the American President after a long campaign of shouting obscene abuse toward him to impress the odious leftist scum. Labour is absolute dogshit and they wear that label with pride. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 10, 2024 3:12:24 GMT
Labour have to be very careful. For years decades even they have willingly invited and appeased the ethnic vote, they have been the party of ethnics, and it paid dividends. But now because there are so many of them, the ethnic vote is getting organised and maybe as we saw with Jonathan Ashworth who was supposed to be a rising star and earmarked for the Labour cabinet but he's out on his arse, so they're not so pro Labour after all. And this should come as no surprise to anyone with an IQ in double figures.
There's an old adage that goes... Birds of a feather flock together, and it's true. Far more eminent people than me are of the opinion the UK will be majority Muslim by the end of the century, some say sooner. And it does make me wonder why people, English people who have never seen Islam, insist we should embrace this dark age cult. I can only put it down to utter and abject ignorance.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 10, 2024 17:32:19 GMT
Ref Mike 'Rocky' Amesbury... I notice the police have said he will appear in court charged with assault 'at a later date'. I hope they don't think this will go away if no one talks about it. Actually, I doubt Farage would allow that to happen, in Amesbury's constituency Reform UK came second behind Labour, so it would be reasonable to assume they would win a by-election.
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Post by honestjohn on Nov 10, 2024 18:24:58 GMT
Ref Mike 'Rocky' Amesbury... I notice the police have said he will appear in court charged with assault 'at a later date'. I hope they don't think this will go away if no one talks about it. Actually, I doubt Farage would allow that to happen, in Amesbury's constituency Reform UK came second behind Labour, so it would be reasonable to assume they would win a by-election. Mike Amesbury, who was suspended by the Labour Party after footage of the 26 October incident emerged last month, will appear before Chester magistrates on 30 December. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 10, 2024 18:35:32 GMT
Mike Amesbury, who was suspended by the Labour Party after footage of the 26 October incident emerged last month, will appear before Chester magistrates on 30 December. Oh really? Well spotted, so a by-election early in the new year then. |
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Post by honestjohn on Nov 10, 2024 18:45:15 GMT
Mike Amesbury, who was suspended by the Labour Party after footage of the 26 October incident emerged last month, will appear before Chester magistrates on 30 December. Oh really? Well spotted, so a by-election early in the new year then. Not necessarily. Look up Claudia Webb. She got 10 weeks imprisonment in 2021 and the Labour party called upon her to resign. She didn't. In fact she appealed in May 2022 and got 80 hours community service instead. She stayed as an MP until the end of that parliament. Brazen woman. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 10, 2024 19:01:05 GMT
Not necessarily. Look up Claudia Webb. She got 10 weeks imprisonment in 2021 and the Labour party called upon her to resign. She didn't. In fact she appealed in May 2022 and got 80 hours community service instead. She stayed as an MP until the end of that parliament. Brazen woman. Yes I remember Claudia Webb, shining example of an MP. I tend to think there will be a by-election in Runcorn, given the CCTV evidence Amesbury cant possibly plead not guilty, and I don't see how he could carry on as an MP having been convicted of assaulting a constituent? I suppose we'll see. |
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 10, 2024 19:20:47 GMT
Ref Mike 'Rocky' Amesbury... I notice the police have said he will appear in court charged with assault 'at a later date'. I hope they don't think this will go away if no one talks about it. Actually, I doubt Farage would allow that to happen, in Amesbury's constituency Reform UK came second behind Labour, so it would be reasonable to assume they would win a by-election. i think Amesbury had a 14,000 majority it would need to be some big swing for reform to win' |
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