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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 28, 2024 20:34:28 GMT
Press charges, charge this Labour MP with terrorism and bang him up for 20 years. Tad harsh Vin. I mean, yes he should be charged with assault because he clearly assaulted someone. But 20 years? Most murderers don't get 20 years. And consider this, if he converts to Islam before the police have finalised any investigation, he wont even be charged. |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 29, 2024 4:03:43 GMT
They were saying on the radio that if they charge him with ABH or GBH he will be automatically turfed out.
If he is found guilty of anything else then it's a recall petition.
The victim had his hands in pockets, so good luck with any self-defense argument. Watching the video it looks like the victim has said something to annoy the MP, at which point he got mad and punched him to the ground... and kept on punching.
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Post by Handyman on Nov 1, 2024 21:54:10 GMT
Cheshire Police have passed a File to the CPS , they will make a decision on what happens next
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Post by jonksy on Nov 2, 2024 18:46:21 GMT
Cheshire Police have passed a File to the CPS , they will make a decision on what happens next Why hasn't he been arrested and charged yet? |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 2, 2024 19:11:35 GMT
Cheshire Police have passed a File to the CPS , they will make a decision on what happens next Why hasn't he been arrested and charged yet? If the CPS authorise it after assessing the Police file and they think he should be he will be, or the CPS may recommend a Caution which IMO think is very unlikely and not suitable given the number of times he hit the man, or NFA which again IMO is not on. I don't know if he was arrested or not, if he voluntarily surrendered himself or made himself available the Police may well have simply interviewed him under Caution , I don't know if that took place or not |
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 3, 2024 2:47:20 GMT
Why hasn't he been arrested and charged yet? If the CPS authorise it after assessing the Police file and they think he should be he will be, or the CPS may recommend a Caution which IMO think is very unlikely and not suitable given the number of times he hit the man, or NFA which again IMO is not on. I don't know if he was arrested or not, if he voluntarily surrendered himself or made himself available the Police may well have simply interviewed him under Caution , I don't know if that took place or not Remember, they "made examples" of the Southport rioters. If they don't "make an example" of an MP FILMED sucker punching a man (with his hands in his pockets) to the ground then the Justice system is broken. Surely that is ABH charge and then jail time... anything less and the "two-tier justice system" conspiracy theory becomes fact, instead of fiction lol. |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 3, 2024 8:48:28 GMT
If the CPS authorise it after assessing the Police file and they think he should be he will be, or the CPS may recommend a Caution which IMO think is very unlikely and not suitable given the number of times he hit the man, or NFA which again IMO is not on. I don't know if he was arrested or not, if he voluntarily surrendered himself or made himself available the Police may well have simply interviewed him under Caution , I don't know if that took place or not Remember, they "made examples" of the Southport rioters. If they don't "make an example" of an MP FILMED sucker punching a man (with his hands in his pockets) to the ground then the Justice system is broken. Surely that is ABH charge and then jail time... anything less and the "two-tier justice system" conspiracy theory becomes fact, instead of fiction lol. I agree he should be charged the Video is damming and should be more than enough to charge him even if the victim does not want to go to Court , if they do or not remains to be seen |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2024 15:01:08 GMT
This incident clearly needs to be fully investigated by the police. In the meantime he has been suspended which is only right and proper. In the interests of innocent until proven guilty that is as far as it should go until the investigation is concluded and if the evidence supports what seems to be the case, a drunk assaulting a member of the public, and he is charged, he needs to consider his position. If he denies guilt and it goes to trial, he should remain suspended, but upon conviction he should stand down or be made to, and a by-election called.
And that would then likely be a golden opportunity for protest voting. I suspect - as is often the case with incumbent governments - Labour will spend the next five years losing far more byelections than they win. What will be more interesting in each instance is where the protest vote will go and who will win. Will it be Reform? Will it be the Tories resurgent? The Lib Dems? The Greens? Plaid or the SNP? Mavericks like Galloway?
The next local elections should be interesting in indicating where the protest vote is going in which places and by which demographics. Whom are the young voting for? Whom are the old voting for? Whom are the working classes voting for? The middle classes? Muslims? Black people? Women versus men? And so on. The demographic breakdown of who is voting for who in next year's locals promises to be most interesting and revealing.
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2024 15:20:53 GMT
This incident clearly needs to be fully investigated by the police. In the meantime he has been suspended which is only right and proper. In the interests of innocent until proven guilty that is as far as it should go until the investigation is concluded and if the evidence supports what seems to be the case, a drunk assaulting a member of the public, and he is charged, he needs to consider his position. If he denies guilt and it goes to trial, he should remain suspended, but upon conviction he should stand down or be made to, and a by-election called. And that would then likely be a golden opportunity for protest voting. I suspect - as is often the case with incumbent governments - Labour will spend the next five years losing far more byelections than they win. What will be more interesting in each instance is where the protest vote will go and who will win. Will it be Reform? Will it be the Tories resurgent? The Lib Dems? The Greens? Plaid or the SNP? Mavericks like Galloway? The next local elections should be interesting in indicating where the protest vote is going in which places and by which demographics. Whom are the young voting for? Whom are the old voting for? Whom are the working classes voting for? The middle classes? Muslims? Black people? Women versus men? And so on. The demographic breakdown of who is voting for who in next year's locals promises to be most interesting and revealing. you say he has been suspended from the labour party which is true , but he retains his position on an influential housing committee which I dont agree with. He should be suspended from parliament completely , and put on leave without pay until the police investigate and either charge him or let the matter drop. If charged , again he should remain suspended .Disgracefull way to conduct himself. As for the wider picture , labour peaked around 37 % for the constituency vote in June , and arguably their support base , flimsy as it was , has collapsed in both scotland and england. Remember , even at the election , this labour government was massively rejected by Scots at the ballot box (65%) at the election , with the system rather than popular support giving them an unhealthy two thirds of seats on a third of the turnout , which was at a record low anyway. we have just had a first poll now in a number of years(BMG) showing a marginal tory lead uk wide , while in scotland , support for reform is gathering pace and splitting the unionist vote big time . archive.ph/lP7i8 (times article archived) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2024 15:34:41 GMT
This incident clearly needs to be fully investigated by the police. In the meantime he has been suspended which is only right and proper. In the interests of innocent until proven guilty that is as far as it should go until the investigation is concluded and if the evidence supports what seems to be the case, a drunk assaulting a member of the public, and he is charged, he needs to consider his position. If he denies guilt and it goes to trial, he should remain suspended, but upon conviction he should stand down or be made to, and a by-election called. And that would then likely be a golden opportunity for protest voting. I suspect - as is often the case with incumbent governments - Labour will spend the next five years losing far more byelections than they win. What will be more interesting in each instance is where the protest vote will go and who will win. Will it be Reform? Will it be the Tories resurgent? The Lib Dems? The Greens? Plaid or the SNP? Mavericks like Galloway? The next local elections should be interesting in indicating where the protest vote is going in which places and by which demographics. Whom are the young voting for? Whom are the old voting for? Whom are the working classes voting for? The middle classes? Muslims? Black people? Women versus men? And so on. The demographic breakdown of who is voting for who in next year's locals promises to be most interesting and revealing. you say he has been suspended from the labour party which is true , but he retains his position on an influential housing committee which I dont agree with. He should be suspended from parliament completely , and put on leave without pay until the police investigate and either charge him or let the matter drop. If charged , again he should remain suspended .Disgracefull way to conduct himself. As for the wider picture , labour peaked around 37 % for the constituency vote in June , and arguably their support base , flimsy as it was , has collapsed in both scotland and england. Remember , even at the election , this labour government was massively rejected by Scots at the ballot box (65%) at the election , with the system rather than popular support giving them an unhealthy two thirds of seats on a third of the turnout , which was at a record low anyway. we have just had a first poll now in a number of years(BMG) showing a marginal tory lead uk wide , while in scotland , support for reform is gathering pace and splitting the unionist vote big time . archive.ph/lP7i8 (times article archived) I agree he should be suspended from serving on any committee too. But suspending him without pay is a de facto financial punishment before guilt has been determined in a court of law. So pay him until the point that guilt is admitted or proven, THEN include as part of his punishment fining him a sum equivalent to all he has been paid since the assault took place. If he is found innocent he has lost nothing financially. If he is found guilty he will have lost everything paid to him by us since the assault. If I am accused of gross misconduct in my workplace but contest the charge, I would be suspended on full pay until my guilt is determined, then dismissed. It is the same for most workplaces. Imposing a financial penalty before guilt is determined is de facto punishment on the basis of guilty until proven innocent. Which I oppose in principle, regardless of who the offender is. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2024 15:43:08 GMT
you say he has been suspended from the labour party which is true , but he retains his position on an influential housing committee which I dont agree with. He should be suspended from parliament completely , and put on leave without pay until the police investigate and either charge him or let the matter drop. If charged , again he should remain suspended .Disgracefull way to conduct himself. As for the wider picture , labour peaked around 37 % for the constituency vote in June , and arguably their support base , flimsy as it was , has collapsed in both scotland and england. Remember , even at the election , this labour government was massively rejected by Scots at the ballot box (65%) at the election , with the system rather than popular support giving them an unhealthy two thirds of seats on a third of the turnout , which was at a record low anyway. we have just had a first poll now in a number of years(BMG) showing a marginal tory lead uk wide , while in scotland , support for reform is gathering pace and splitting the unionist vote big time . archive.ph/lP7i8 (times article archived) I agree he should be suspended from serving on any committee too. But suspending him without pay is a de facto financial punishment before guilt has been determined in a court of law. So pay him until the point that guilt is admitted or proven, THEN include as part of his punishment fining him a sum equivalent to all he has been paid since the assault took place. If he is found innocent he has lost nothing financially. If he is found guilty he will have lost everything paid to him by us since the assault. If I am accused of gross misconduct in my workplace but contest the charge, I would be suspended on full pay until my guilt is determined, then dismissed. It is the same for most workplaces. Imposing a financial penalty before guilt is determined is de facto punishment on the basis of guilty until proven innocent. Which I oppose in principle, regardless of who the offender is. we have all seen the video Steve. The footage which has been bandied about is disgraceful , and no amount of labour squealing about provocation is going to wash. Perhaps I should have said suspend him , with all payments suspended until proven innocent , which looks increasingly unlikely . Starmer has set the bar now , with the over the top punishments handed out earlier regarding riots , and stuff being said on Facebook. This man is a complete thug of the highest order , and the full force of the law , and every sanction available to parliament should be slapped in his face. You cant do things like this , in this day and age , where everyone has a phone at hand , and then expect to quietly slither away into the background while hiding behind innocent to proven guilty. whatever happens in terms of parliaments sanctions , including his pay , I hope they throw the book at this cunt. |
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 4, 2024 8:03:34 GMT
im not saying its the same man or the incidents are related .But if he did feel threated you can understand why he thrown the punch,
Stalker harassed Mike Amesbury MP in shopping centre and Costa Coffee
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24 July 2023
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Mike Amesbury says he feels "that little bit more anxious" after being harassed by Stephen Cowell
A man has been found guilty of stalking and harassing an MP at his constituency office and in a town.
Stephen Cowell, 56, loitered around Mike Amesbury's office in a shopping centre, followed him to his car and approached him in Frodsham.
The Weaver Vale MP said Cowell's behaviour was "concerning" and it had resulted in him feeling "that little bit more anxious".
Cowell, who denied the charges, will be sentenced on 18 August.
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said Cowell's behaviour had become "increasingly odd and intimidating".
The stalking happened on 9 and 16 June and 27 July in 2022 in Runcorn Shopping City around the MP's constituency office and culminated in a series of events on 3 August 2022 in Frodsham.
Warrington Magistrates Court heard Cowell had stared through the glass at his office and asked security staff about the level of the security guards and cameras present.
'Extremely rare'
On 9 June, he approached the MP at about 16:30 BST as he left his office and asked him: "How are you going to solve the housing crisis?"
His questions persisted as he followed the MP to his car where Mr Amesbury said he needed to go to an appointment, but Cowell put his hand on the door to stop the MP closing it.
Mr Amesbury, who previously worked as part of Labour's shadow housing team, gave Cowell his business card and told him to contact him through normal channels.
He was then spotted again in the shopping centre on two further dates.
On 3 August, he was seen watching, loitering and waiting for Mr Amesbury, at Costa Coffee, in Frodsham, the CPS said.
As the MP left the coffee shop, Cowell followed him and confronted him a second time, leaning into Mr Amesbury's car as he attempted to leave and becoming "animated".
Unnerved by the encounter, Mr Amesbury reported it to police.
He said his staff had also been impacted by the "concerning" behaviour.
"I am naturally approached by people, both known and unknown to me, usually with kind words, case work or political banter."
He added: "It is extremely rare that people are aggressive or threatening regardless of political affiliation, which is a great credit to the people and community I represent.
"I am just sorry that I now feel that little bit more anxious than before this episode."
Senior Crown Prosecutor Simon Green said CCTV footage of Cowell's "actions and demeanour to Mr Amesbury amounted to stalking", and added that MPs who peform a vital public service should "feel safe doing this".
"Cowell could have raised any concerns regarding his situation in a straightforward manner by using the contact details on the MP's business card.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 4, 2024 8:17:56 GMT
"Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime"
Remember Labour's slogan from the Blair days?
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Post by thomas on Nov 4, 2024 8:41:11 GMT
im not saying its the same man or the incidents are related .But if he did feel threated you can understand why he thrown the punch, Stalker harassed Mike Amesbury MP in shopping centre and Costa Coffee Published 24 July 2023 Share Mike Amesbury MP Image source,www.nk-photography.co.uk Image caption, Mike Amesbury says he feels "that little bit more anxious" after being harassed by Stephen Cowell A man has been found guilty of stalking and harassing an MP at his constituency office and in a town. Stephen Cowell, 56, loitered around Mike Amesbury's office in a shopping centre, followed him to his car and approached him in Frodsham. The Weaver Vale MP said Cowell's behaviour was "concerning" and it had resulted in him feeling "that little bit more anxious". Cowell, who denied the charges, will be sentenced on 18 August. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said Cowell's behaviour had become "increasingly odd and intimidating". The stalking happened on 9 and 16 June and 27 July in 2022 in Runcorn Shopping City around the MP's constituency office and culminated in a series of events on 3 August 2022 in Frodsham. Warrington Magistrates Court heard Cowell had stared through the glass at his office and asked security staff about the level of the security guards and cameras present. 'Extremely rare' On 9 June, he approached the MP at about 16:30 BST as he left his office and asked him: "How are you going to solve the housing crisis?" His questions persisted as he followed the MP to his car where Mr Amesbury said he needed to go to an appointment, but Cowell put his hand on the door to stop the MP closing it. Mr Amesbury, who previously worked as part of Labour's shadow housing team, gave Cowell his business card and told him to contact him through normal channels. He was then spotted again in the shopping centre on two further dates. On 3 August, he was seen watching, loitering and waiting for Mr Amesbury, at Costa Coffee, in Frodsham, the CPS said. As the MP left the coffee shop, Cowell followed him and confronted him a second time, leaning into Mr Amesbury's car as he attempted to leave and becoming "animated". Unnerved by the encounter, Mr Amesbury reported it to police. He said his staff had also been impacted by the "concerning" behaviour. "I am naturally approached by people, both known and unknown to me, usually with kind words, case work or political banter." He added: "It is extremely rare that people are aggressive or threatening regardless of political affiliation, which is a great credit to the people and community I represent. "I am just sorry that I now feel that little bit more anxious than before this episode." Senior Crown Prosecutor Simon Green said CCTV footage of Cowell's "actions and demeanour to Mr Amesbury amounted to stalking", and added that MPs who peform a vital public service should "feel safe doing this". "Cowell could have raised any concerns regarding his situation in a straightforward manner by using the contact details on the MP's business card. are you arguing its fine for labour mps to take the law into their own hands , and commit violence ? |
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 4, 2024 8:56:34 GMT
im not saying its the same man or the incidents are related .But if he did feel threated you can understand why he thrown the punch, Stalker harassed Mike Amesbury MP in shopping centre and Costa Coffee Published 24 July 2023 Share Mike Amesbury MP Image source,www.nk-photography.co.uk Image caption, Mike Amesbury says he feels "that little bit more anxious" after being harassed by Stephen Cowell A man has been found guilty of stalking and harassing an MP at his constituency office and in a town. Stephen Cowell, 56, loitered around Mike Amesbury's office in a shopping centre, followed him to his car and approached him in Frodsham. The Weaver Vale MP said Cowell's behaviour was "concerning" and it had resulted in him feeling "that little bit more anxious". Cowell, who denied the charges, will be sentenced on 18 August. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said Cowell's behaviour had become "increasingly odd and intimidating". The stalking happened on 9 and 16 June and 27 July in 2022 in Runcorn Shopping City around the MP's constituency office and culminated in a series of events on 3 August 2022 in Frodsham. Warrington Magistrates Court heard Cowell had stared through the glass at his office and asked security staff about the level of the security guards and cameras present. 'Extremely rare' On 9 June, he approached the MP at about 16:30 BST as he left his office and asked him: "How are you going to solve the housing crisis?" His questions persisted as he followed the MP to his car where Mr Amesbury said he needed to go to an appointment, but Cowell put his hand on the door to stop the MP closing it. Mr Amesbury, who previously worked as part of Labour's shadow housing team, gave Cowell his business card and told him to contact him through normal channels. He was then spotted again in the shopping centre on two further dates. On 3 August, he was seen watching, loitering and waiting for Mr Amesbury, at Costa Coffee, in Frodsham, the CPS said. As the MP left the coffee shop, Cowell followed him and confronted him a second time, leaning into Mr Amesbury's car as he attempted to leave and becoming "animated". Unnerved by the encounter, Mr Amesbury reported it to police. He said his staff had also been impacted by the "concerning" behaviour. "I am naturally approached by people, both known and unknown to me, usually with kind words, case work or political banter." He added: "It is extremely rare that people are aggressive or threatening regardless of political affiliation, which is a great credit to the people and community I represent. "I am just sorry that I now feel that little bit more anxious than before this episode." Senior Crown Prosecutor Simon Green said CCTV footage of Cowell's "actions and demeanour to Mr Amesbury amounted to stalking", and added that MPs who peform a vital public service should "feel safe doing this". "Cowell could have raised any concerns regarding his situation in a straightforward manner by using the contact details on the MP's business card. are you arguing its fine for labour mps to take the law into their own hands , and commit violence ? . im arguing anyone who feels threated should take preventive action |
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