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Post by thomas on Nov 4, 2024 9:02:51 GMT
are you arguing its fine for labour mps to take the law into their own hands , and commit violence ? . im arguing anyone who feels threated should take preventive action .....and yet back in 2020 , this labour thug was arguing people who have been assaulted should be protected by the law. Lets hope they throw the book at him , or perhaps you and your pal starmer are hoping to brush things under the carpet like nick brown? Somehow I dont think this is going away lefty. x.com/ArchRose90/status/1850622199775805843 |
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Post by thomas on Nov 4, 2024 9:08:27 GMT
A Labour MP had been arguing with a constituent about the temporary closure of a local bridge moments before he apparently punched him to the ground, The Times can reveal. Mike Amesbury, the MP for Runcorn & Helsby in Cheshire, has had the whip suspended after the emergence of video that appears to show him taking a swing at a man while waiting for a taxi in Frodsham, Cheshire, at 2.15am on Saturday. The man falls onto a section of the road, at which point Amesbury, 55, appears to hit him several more times.  A woman whose sister was waiting for a taxi at the time claimed that Amesbury was “just drunk and beat someone up”. She said: “He is trying to get out of it now. He was trying to beat him to a pulp. My sister tried to intervene and pull him off. You have seen the video of how drunk he was. She was waiting for a taxi and so was the man.” It is understood Amesbury had been drinking at local pubs having attended a police meeting about community safety that evening. “We only have two places open that late and they always attract trouble,” a local resident said archive.fo/zmyVF#selection-2373.0-2377.223 |
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Post by Dogburger on Nov 4, 2024 9:16:11 GMT
im not saying its the same man or the incidents are related .But if he did feel threated you can understand why he thrown the punch, Stalker harassed Mike Amesbury MP in shopping centre and Costa Coffee Published 24 July 2023 Share Mike Amesbury MP Image source,www.nk-photography.co.uk Image caption, Mike Amesbury says he feels "that little bit more anxious" after being harassed by Stephen Cowell A man has been found guilty of stalking and harassing an MP at his constituency office and in a town. Stephen Cowell, 56, loitered around Mike Amesbury's office in a shopping centre, followed him to his car and approached him in Frodsham. The Weaver Vale MP said Cowell's behaviour was "concerning" and it had resulted in him feeling "that little bit more anxious". Cowell, who denied the charges, will be sentenced on 18 August. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said Cowell's behaviour had become "increasingly odd and intimidating". The stalking happened on 9 and 16 June and 27 July in 2022 in Runcorn Shopping City around the MP's constituency office and culminated in a series of events on 3 August 2022 in Frodsham. Warrington Magistrates Court heard Cowell had stared through the glass at his office and asked security staff about the level of the security guards and cameras present. 'Extremely rare' On 9 June, he approached the MP at about 16:30 BST as he left his office and asked him: "How are you going to solve the housing crisis?" His questions persisted as he followed the MP to his car where Mr Amesbury said he needed to go to an appointment, but Cowell put his hand on the door to stop the MP closing it. Mr Amesbury, who previously worked as part of Labour's shadow housing team, gave Cowell his business card and told him to contact him through normal channels. He was then spotted again in the shopping centre on two further dates. On 3 August, he was seen watching, loitering and waiting for Mr Amesbury, at Costa Coffee, in Frodsham, the CPS said. As the MP left the coffee shop, Cowell followed him and confronted him a second time, leaning into Mr Amesbury's car as he attempted to leave and becoming "animated". Unnerved by the encounter, Mr Amesbury reported it to police. He said his staff had also been impacted by the "concerning" behaviour. "I am naturally approached by people, both known and unknown to me, usually with kind words, case work or political banter." He added: "It is extremely rare that people are aggressive or threatening regardless of political affiliation, which is a great credit to the people and community I represent. "I am just sorry that I now feel that little bit more anxious than before this episode." Senior Crown Prosecutor Simon Green said CCTV footage of Cowell's "actions and demeanour to Mr Amesbury amounted to stalking", and added that MPs who peform a vital public service should "feel safe doing this". "Cowell could have raised any concerns regarding his situation in a straightforward manner by using the contact details on the MP's business card. Holding your MP to account should be applauded ,Being an MP you should expect it especially when you are failing your constituents . Its not a fucking free ride once you are elected to any office its your duty to serve . It would appear Amesbury has fallen short of that duty in the eyes of Mr Cowell ,maybe he did maybe he didn't but the cowardly violent attack has no place in the process . Has he been charged yet ? The file is probably in the same pile as the Manchester UFC gang so the answer to that is probably no |
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 4, 2024 9:27:47 GMT
im arguing anyone who feels threated should take preventive action .....and yet back in 2020 , this labour thug was arguing people who have been assaulted should be protected by the law. Lets hope they throw the book at him , or perhaps you and your pal starmer are hoping to brush things under the carpet like nick brown? Somehow I dont think this is going away lefty. x.com/ArchRose90/status/1850622199775805843 Hmm...this page doesn’t exist. Try searching for something else. |
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 4, 2024 9:33:27 GMT
im not saying its the same man or the incidents are related .But if he did feel threated you can understand why he thrown the punch, Stalker harassed Mike Amesbury MP in shopping centre and Costa Coffee Published 24 July 2023 Share Mike Amesbury MP Image source,www.nk-photography.co.uk Image caption, Mike Amesbury says he feels "that little bit more anxious" after being harassed by Stephen Cowell A man has been found guilty of stalking and harassing an MP at his constituency office and in a town. Stephen Cowell, 56, loitered around Mike Amesbury's office in a shopping centre, followed him to his car and approached him in Frodsham. The Weaver Vale MP said Cowell's behaviour was "concerning" and it had resulted in him feeling "that little bit more anxious". Cowell, who denied the charges, will be sentenced on 18 August. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said Cowell's behaviour had become "increasingly odd and intimidating". The stalking happened on 9 and 16 June and 27 July in 2022 in Runcorn Shopping City around the MP's constituency office and culminated in a series of events on 3 August 2022 in Frodsham. Warrington Magistrates Court heard Cowell had stared through the glass at his office and asked security staff about the level of the security guards and cameras present. 'Extremely rare' On 9 June, he approached the MP at about 16:30 BST as he left his office and asked him: "How are you going to solve the housing crisis?" His questions persisted as he followed the MP to his car where Mr Amesbury said he needed to go to an appointment, but Cowell put his hand on the door to stop the MP closing it. Mr Amesbury, who previously worked as part of Labour's shadow housing team, gave Cowell his business card and told him to contact him through normal channels. He was then spotted again in the shopping centre on two further dates. On 3 August, he was seen watching, loitering and waiting for Mr Amesbury, at Costa Coffee, in Frodsham, the CPS said. As the MP left the coffee shop, Cowell followed him and confronted him a second time, leaning into Mr Amesbury's car as he attempted to leave and becoming "animated". Unnerved by the encounter, Mr Amesbury reported it to police. He said his staff had also been impacted by the "concerning" behaviour. "I am naturally approached by people, both known and unknown to me, usually with kind words, case work or political banter." He added: "It is extremely rare that people are aggressive or threatening regardless of political affiliation, which is a great credit to the people and community I represent. "I am just sorry that I now feel that little bit more anxious than before this episode." Senior Crown Prosecutor Simon Green said CCTV footage of Cowell's "actions and demeanour to Mr Amesbury amounted to stalking", and added that MPs who peform a vital public service should "feel safe doing this". "Cowell could have raised any concerns regarding his situation in a straightforward manner by using the contact details on the MP's business card. Holding your MP to account should be applauded ,Being an MP you should expect it especially when you are failing your constituents . Its not a fucking free ride once you are elected to any office its your duty to serve . It would appear Amesbury has fallen short of that duty in the eyes of Mr Cowell ,maybe he did maybe he didn't but the cowardly violent attack has no place in the process . Has he been charged yet ? The file is probably in the same pile as the Manchester UFC gang so the answer to that is probably no yes a mp should be made accountable but when it comes to stalking and harassment thats a different matter |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 4, 2024 9:55:24 GMT
Dogburger
The fact that the CPS have now received a file on the Assault to me indicates the Police have started an Investigation or even completed it, obtained CCTV footage, interviewed the Victim and the MP any witnesses photographed the mans injuries, and a medical report if taken to hospital etc
Allegedly the man who confronted the MP may have threatened or insulted the MP but does not raise his fists of throw a punch, the MP who IMHO appears to me appears to be heavier and stronger than the victim hits him and according to the media says " You won't threaten me again " but the victim is flat on his back no longer a threat IMO , but the MP throws more punches at the prone victim he IMO has gone over the top he is no longer a threat
At that time of night I suspect one or both had been drinking that caused the confrontation, but that IMO is no excuse to hit the man, all the MP had to do was keep walking and ignore the alleged insult.
The Manchester Assault case is now being Investigated by the IOPC that is what is causing the delay on a the decision to charge the suspects , at times the Wheels of Justice Grind very slowly.
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Post by Dogburger on Nov 4, 2024 9:56:59 GMT
Holding your MP to account should be applauded ,Being an MP you should expect it especially when you are failing your constituents . Its not a fucking free ride once you are elected to any office its your duty to serve . It would appear Amesbury has fallen short of that duty in the eyes of Mr Cowell ,maybe he did maybe he didn't but the cowardly violent attack has no place in the process . Has he been charged yet ? The file is probably in the same pile as the Manchester UFC gang so the answer to that is probably no yes a mp should be made accountable but when it comes to stalking and harassment thats a different matter A very weak defence in my opinion . There are no 'buts' to consider ,a clear case of the MP losing it because he had been called out on his inaction /incompetence as an MP . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 4, 2024 11:08:06 GMT
It may have been mentioned already, but after the attack Amesbury was seen to hold his face in his hands and say 'fuck' in realisation at what he had just done.
If he is not charged with assault it will underline what many people in this country already think - we have a two tier justice system.
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Post by Handyman on Nov 4, 2024 13:04:45 GMT
It may have been mentioned already, but after the attack Amesbury was seen to hold his face in his hands and say 'fuck' in realisation at what he had just done. If he is not charged with assault it will underline what many people in this country already think - we have a two tier justice system. I disagree IMO there is no such thing as a two tier justice system, the CPS since 1980 have three choices , when they get the Police Case Papers they decide what happens to the alleged suspect each case is based on its merit, the strength of the evidence. They will only go to trial if they have a reasonable chance of securing a conviction the huge backlog of cases awaiting Court time is long very long some suspects can be on bail or in custody for months even up to a year The CPS have three choices, yes we will charge as we think the evidence is strong enough to go trial and try to secure a conviction, or a Caution based on the offence lower down the scale of the criminal behaviour , the suspects back ground, elderly, mental or learning difficulties etc, or if the evidence is weak no chance of securing a Conviction or not in the Public Interest to put them before a Court NFA No Further Action. When Riots broke out in the UK and alleged Asylum Seekers accommodation were attacked and Police were injured trying to stop them, or the Rioting after the dreadful murders in Southport , they fast tracked them into Court ( put other scheduled trials back ) to send a message to the Rioters stop it or this will happen to you. Here in Ireland riots have broken out for the same reason, many Irish Officers were hurt and lots of damage caused, but here the complaint is why have they not been brought to Court yet, some cases of rioting damage and Assaults on Police have not come to Court for nearly a year afterwards |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 4, 2024 13:35:43 GMT
I disagree IMO there is no such thing as a two tier justice system, the CPS since 1980 have three choices , when they get the Police Case Papers they decide what happens to the alleged suspect each case is based on its merit, the strength of the evidence.... H, you may be unaware, but last June two Pakistani brothers attacked and violently beat up two police officers at Manchester airport, they havent even been charged. In July Axel Rudakabana murdered three little girls and attempted to murder ten others. The police found the deadly toxin Ricin and an Al Qaeda training manual at his address, this information was withheld from the public. The police said it was not a terrorist attack, and anyone who speculated on social media would be arrested. In August Derek Drummond was sentenced to three years in prison for punching a police officers riot shield. In less than a week he was arrested, charged, fast tracked through he courts and sentenced to three years, not for assaulting a police officer, but for punching a police officers riot shield. And he was not the only white English man arrested charged and and fast tracked to prison. Please, don't tell me we do not have a two tier justice system in this country. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 4, 2024 13:49:17 GMT
It may have been mentioned already, but after the attack Amesbury was seen to hold his face in his hands and say 'fuck' in realisation at what he had just done. If he is not charged with assault it will underline what many people in this country already think - we have a two tier justice system. the CPS since 1980 have three choices , when they get the Police Case Papers they decide what happens to the alleged suspect each case is based on its merit, the strength of the evidence. We agree on most things Handy but what would you call this if it isn't two teir justice or two tier policing?
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Post by Handyman on Nov 4, 2024 14:33:43 GMT
I disagree IMO there is no such thing as a two tier justice system, the CPS since 1980 have three choices , when they get the Police Case Papers they decide what happens to the alleged suspect each case is based on its merit, the strength of the evidence.... H, you may be unaware, but last June two Pakistani brothers attacked and violently beat up two police officers at Manchester airport, they havent even been charged. In July Axel Rudakabana murdered three little girls and attempted to murder ten others. The police found the deadly toxin Ricin and an Al Qaeda training manual at his address, this information was withheld from the public. The police said it was not a terrorist attack, and anyone who speculated on social media would be arrested. In August Derek Drummond was sentenced to three years in prison for punching a police officers riot shield. In less than a week he was arrested, charged, fast tracked through he courts and sentenced to three years, not for assaulting a police officer, but for punching a police officers riot shield. And he was not the only white English man arrested charged and and fast tracked to prison. Please, don't tell me we do not have a two tier justice system in this country. The attack on the Officers at Manchester is on hold because the OPC ( a bunch of Muppets IMO) are now carrying out an Investigation into the incident, as they have not reached a decision yet therefore the CPS are on hold at the moment. What sentences the Courts hand down is down to the Magistrate or Judge , the CPS has no say in that, nor do the Police decide what suspects are charged with and have had no say in it since 1980 As for the man charged with the terrible murders and attempted murders , the CPS decide what charges are brought against him, he has been charged under one Offence under the Terrorism Act because he had obtained a Terrorist Manual simply possession of such a instruction book is unlawful and an Offence under the Terrorism Act, only certain people can lawfully possess such literature. The making of Ricin is an Offence in its own right under the Biological Warfare Act, as far as I am aware not also incorporated in the Terrorism Act The CPS delayed broadcasting the two additional Offences above to try and avoid alarming the public, it is only recently it has been made public, the main very serious charges against him are the three murders and 10 attempted murders. That is how the system works and has for years it works well, we will hear why he did what he did what motivated him depending on what he may have said when questioned when he comes to trial in the new year, that is not a two tier system and never will be IMHO |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 4, 2024 15:12:24 GMT
I disagree IMO there is no such thing as a two tier justice system, the CPS since 1980 have three choices , when they get the Police Case Papers they decide what happens to the alleged suspect each case is based on its merit, the strength of the evidence. We agree on most things Handy but what would you call this of it isn't two teir justice or two tier policing?
IMHO When Politicians make totally make very offensive and IMO in this case racial remarks about other Politicians the House of Commons should deal with robustly they have their own system to deal with them, the Police will IMO try and stay out of it unless they are asked to investigate it, the Police do not want to be dragged into such spats between Politicians they have to remain Politically Neutral When the Police are dealing with Protesters especially the huge numbers over the last year or so they are totally outnumbered a few thousand Officers to deal with 100,000 protesters or more, and more than one protests at a time They are firstly obliged to uphold a right the population of the whole UK which is the "Right to Protest Peacefully", most people do act peacefully , I detest some of the chants and banners I have seen on the Pro Palestinian Banners. Some arrests have been made but the Officers on the ground have to obey their Senior Officers, the Police do not have the numbers to make large scale arrests an impossible task common sense dictates that that a relatively peaceful crowd can turn violent out of control in seconds, that is how I see it, been there seen it happen got the T shirt and the injuries |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 4, 2024 15:36:08 GMT
You have to be a special kind of doofus to watch the video and not realise it was the MP who was the threat and not the bloke he laid out and punched repeatedly.
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Post by honestjohn on Nov 4, 2024 16:33:05 GMT
It may have been mentioned already, but after the attack Amesbury was seen to hold his face in his hands and say 'fuck' in realisation at what he had just done. If he is not charged with assault it will underline what many people in this country already think - we have a two tier justice system. I disagree IMO there is no such thing as a two tier justice system, the CPS since 1980 have three choices , when they get the Police Case Papers they decide what happens to the alleged suspect each case is based on its merit, the strength of the evidence. They will only go to trial if they have a reasonable chance of securing a conviction the huge backlog of cases awaiting Court time is long very long some suspects can be on bail or in custody for months even up to a year The CPS have three choices, yes we will charge as we think the evidence is strong enough to go trial and try to secure a conviction, or a Caution based on the offence lower down the scale of the criminal behaviour , the suspects back ground, elderly, mental or learning difficulties etc, or if the evidence is weak no chance of securing a Conviction or not in the Public Interest to put them before a Court NFA No Further Action. When Riots broke out in the UK and alleged Asylum Seekers accommodation were attacked and Police were injured trying to stop them, or the Rioting after the dreadful murders in Southport , they fast tracked them into Court ( put other scheduled trials back ) to send a message to the Rioters stop it or this will happen to you. Here in Ireland riots have broken out for the same reason, many Irish Officers were hurt and lots of damage caused, but here the complaint is why have they not been brought to Court yet, some cases of rioting damage and Assaults on Police have not come to Court for nearly a year afterwards Handyman, you seem to have far too much faith in the official line that everything happens according to a rigid structure in law, when in practice, there are deals done under the table and pressures applied to obtain a prosecution, or lack of one, as the case may be. |
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