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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 14, 2024 23:09:28 GMT
Well IS it ? If anything I suppose it will give the others ideas. As I have said, when I was about to get the vote, our sitting MP invited anyone on the electoral register tagged as 16/17 for a visit to the house on him. I went and it was fascinating. He was there in person, but wasn't always, and other MP's did the same thing. Parties were taken round while the house was in recess, by the staff who worked for the sergeant at arms It did make an impression on me, which of course it was supposed to. As I said I've stood where Gladstone insulted Disraeli and I can easily visualise the stench of the open sewer the Thames was etc etc. These things matter if you want to engage an electorate. I suppose in the 70's they did. It's just anti-democratic, giving those with money more say and more opportunity to meet the MPs etc, i.e. it means you can buy influence, which is what Ali is doing, no difference really. Morals work on principles. Farage needs to learn some. I was thinking a moment ago that his persona is a bit of the London barrow boy thing. He lacks class and sophistication.
Meanwhile another funny politician who is the mirror image of Farage is the pro-EU Liz Webster. She is a farmer and lady of the manor. She looks down on Farage as some sort of greasy tradesman. It's quite a scream listening to her on Farage. Kind of 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
Anyway, showing people around the House of Commons is a good thing, but it's when they sell it off that it really does look bad.
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Post by thomas on Oct 15, 2024 7:33:06 GMT
They could get more tax revenues if they had brains. They think raising taxes is the only way to get higher revenues. Making tax more affordable means more taxes. Cut tax on fuel. Cut tax on pubs. Cut tax on energy. Cut tax on small businesses. Raise tax on big corporations. Cut the size of the public sector. Reform the agricultural subsidies system further. Reform the NHS and prioritise emergency care over PC bollocks. Spot on. Sadly, that would require economic literacy which Labour have never had. even left wing economists like Richard Murphy are being highly critical of labour and their so called "economic literacy" . www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2024/10/15/its-small-local-businesses-that-create-jobs-and-they-dont-seem-to-be-on-labours-agenda/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Also , there's no point in cutting taxes to boost the economy while you are splurging money on ill thought out schemes like carbon capture , some 22 billion , or giving away billions to foreigners like Ukraine among many others that the uk cannot afford. I mean everyone wants to see the nhs and many other things "reformed" but what is actually meant by reforming the nhs? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 15, 2024 7:40:38 GMT
If people wanted tax cuts, they would have voted Tory. They didn't, they voted for improvement of public services instead. Whether Labour’s policies work or not remains to be seen.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 15, 2024 7:46:02 GMT
If people wanted tax cuts, they would have voted Tory. They didn't, they voted for improvement of public services instead. Whether Labour’s policies work or not remains to be seen. People were pissed off with the Tories andrea, thats why 80% of the electrorate never got off their arse to vote...Maybe the outcome would have been different if Reform had more candidates and could have put them in strategic constitiuencys... |
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Post by thomas on Oct 15, 2024 7:49:14 GMT
If people wanted tax cuts, they would have voted Tory. They didn't, they voted for improvement of public services instead. Whether Labour’s policies work or not remains to be seen. not necessarily Andrew. You are conflating two things here , improvement in services like the nhs , which everyone wants, and then misleading yourself into believing everyone wants to pay more for it , they dont. I posted polls to that affect over the weekend to witch finder. Under the last tory regime , we were being told taxes had risen to the highest level in the uk since the end of the Second World War. How much further do you think they should go? I personally dont trust labour to spend money wisely based on their inglorious track record . |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 15, 2024 8:33:02 GMT
If people wanted tax cuts, they would have voted Tory. They didn't, they voted for improvement of public services instead. Whether Labour’s policies work or not remains to be seen. People were pissed off with the Tories andrea, thats why 80% of the electrorate never got of their arse to vote...Maybe the outcome would have been different if Reform had more candidates and could have put them in strategic constitiuencys... It doesn't matter how many times you try to explain to andrea the percentages of 20% that represented the vote, he just doesn't get it. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 15, 2024 8:47:46 GMT
If people wanted tax cuts, they would have voted Tory. They didn't, they voted for improvement of public services instead. Whether Labour’s policies work or not remains to be seen. People were pissed off with the Tories andrea, thats why 80% of the electrorate never got off their arse to vote...Maybe the outcome would have been different if Reform had more candidates and could have put them in strategic constitiuencys... You think that there was only a 20% turnout at the general election? I don't know what's worse, the fact that you wrote that, or the fact the FS backed you up thinking it was correct... Turnout was 59.7%, which meant that 40.3% couldn't be arsed to vote. Always check your facts before posting shite. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 15, 2024 8:50:46 GMT
If people wanted tax cuts, they would have voted Tory. They didn't, they voted for improvement of public services instead. Whether Labour’s policies work or not remains to be seen. not necessarily Andrew. You are conflating two things here , improvement in services like the nhs , which everyone wants, and then misleading yourself into believing everyone wants to pay more for it , they dont. I posted polls to that affect over the weekend to witch finder. Under the last tory regime , we were being told taxes had risen to the highest level in the uk since the end of the Second World War. How much further do you think they should go? I personally dont trust labour to spend money wisely based on their inglorious track record . Of course I didn't say that everyone wants to pay more, but many do support this. This research is from 2022, so a couple of years old, but demonstrates the point that I am making. natcen.ac.uk/news/majority-britain-back-more-tax-more-spend |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 15, 2024 8:51:45 GMT
People were pissed off with the Tories andrea, thats why 80% of the electrorate never got off their arse to vote...Maybe the outcome would have been different if Reform had more candidates and could have put them in strategic constitiuencys... You think that there was only a 20% turnout at the general election? I don't know what's worse, the fact that you wrote that, or the fact the FS backed you up thinking it was correct... Turnout was 59.7%, which meant that 40.3% couldn't be arsed to vote. Always check your facts before posting shite. Labour got in with just 20 percent andrea meaning the other 80 percent didnt vote for starmers shit show. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 15, 2024 8:55:40 GMT
So why didn't you say that if that's what you meant?
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Post by jonksy on Oct 15, 2024 9:50:50 GMT
So why didn't you say that if that's what you meant? I shouldn't need to spell it out andrea. Only a fool would think that just 20% of the voting publics is an andorsement of labour...I wonder how many of those who were not interested in voting were picked up on their own doorsteps to be taken to their nearest polling booths by he labour party reps? |
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Post by Orac on Oct 15, 2024 9:52:08 GMT
Its not suprising at all that Keir Starmers popularity rating has plummeted, and its also no big suprise that Labours big lead prior to the general election has vanished. The government were not elected to be popular, they were elected on a promise to get growth going again in our economy, fix the NHS and public services and they told the public that it would be tough. There is also a £22 Billion black hole in the budget You cant be popular whilst fixing a mess on the scale that it is, but no doubt the government hope that by fixing things and taking unpopular decisions now, and by putting policies into motion that will bring the desired results in the medium term will pay off come the next general election. EVERY measure that the government will undertake will be criticised by the usual suspects, but those usual suspects do not have an alternative answer, and going backwards to the last 14 years has no answers either. There is some sort of insanity at the top in this country.. Indeed - and it is not something that is localised in one spot only. It looks like all of our important institutions have been significantly captured by vindictive fruitcakes and perverts. No doubt labour had supporters who voted for them because the idea of using tax to invest in the future of the British public appealed to them. However, this is not remotely going to happen - Labour will instead ram-raid the British public to place funds in the coffers of various criminal enterprises and internationalist slush funds (ie fronts for criminal enterprises). Pensioners (say) will be expected to make the ultimate sacrifice to keep those money flows going. The glimmer of hope is that election of an official government comprised of 85 IQ psychopaths will finally alert the UK public as to the desperateness of the situation they are in. This needs to be taken seriously - we are all in quite a lot of danger here. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 15, 2024 9:56:31 GMT
So why didn't you say that if that's what you meant? I shouldn't need to spell it out andrea. Only a fool would think that just 20% of the voting publics is an andorsement of labour...I wonder how many of those who were not interested in voting were picked up on their own doorsteps to be taken to their nearest polling booths by he labour party reps? The next General Election 99.9% of the UK population will turn out, they'll be that pissed off with Labour and the destruction of this country they will be obliterated, and wont be in government for generations. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 15, 2024 9:59:42 GMT
I shouldn't need to spell it out andrea. Only a fool would think that just 20% of the voting publics is an andorsement of labour...I wonder how many of those who were not interested in voting were picked up on their own doorsteps to be taken to their nearest polling booths by he labour party reps? The next General Election 99.9% of the UK population will turn out, they'll be that pissed off with Labour and the destruction of this country they will be obliterated, and wont be in government for generations. With a bit of luck it will wipe them out competely mate...Even some of their paymasters are pouring scorn on 2T kier and his mob of no hopers... |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 15, 2024 10:03:08 GMT
The next General Election 99.9% of the UK population will turn out, they'll be that pissed off with Labour and the destruction of this country they will be obliterated, and wont be in government for generations. With a bit of luck it will wipe them out competely mate...Even some of their paymasters are pouring scorn on 2T kier and his mob of no hopers... I don't think there is any walk of life that supports this Labour government, well with the exception of the EU and the illegal boat people, they are the only ones who are happy with this Labour government. |
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