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Post by thomas on Oct 18, 2024 7:34:57 GMT
what does your link prove except to confirm what im telling you ? Here's what you originally said. this is incorrect. No poll said Farage would take more seats than the tories. A poll in the middle of June had reform uk slightly ahead of the tories , but not predicted to take more seats. Farage said in your link by this time next week we will be polling ahead of the tories, and thats what happened. As I said , you are getting confused......and making a non point . |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 18, 2024 7:46:10 GMT
Roughly when was that ? I ask because one of the two survivors from the post Sunak bloodletting admits NOW that unless they deal with the loss of support to Reform, they are fucked. May 2026 will be interesting. john it was a week before the election when the final election debate on bbc was on Yeah I figured that was the case. I don't pay any attention to polls for many reasons not least the electorate on recent years seems keen to tell the pollsters what they want to hear. But I remember lots of pundits on both sides saying he didn't stand a chance back then and they've changed their tune markedly since. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 18, 2024 7:52:33 GMT
john it was a week before the election when the final election debate on bbc was on Yeah I figured that was the case. I don't pay any attention to polls for many reasons not least the electorate on recent years seems keen to tell the pollsters what they want to hear. But I remember lots of pundits on both sides saying he didn't stand a chance back then and they've changed their tune markedly since. I remember labour laughing at the snp in scotland in the eighties. They aren't laughing now. The same will be true in england with reform uk. It's clear there is a long term slide in support over many many years for the main two parties across the uk. Eventually smaller newer parties are going to come through and annihilate the old two party stitch up of a system. The snp proved the system can be broken if there is the willpower there from the electorate , and I believe that point has now been reached elsewhere in the uk. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 18, 2024 7:53:45 GMT
Do what you like DOOFUS I am sure andrea will back you up... DONE Good for you Doofus... |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 18, 2024 7:56:54 GMT
...and I remember labour supporters laughing when Farage couldnt get elected to Westminster. They aren't laughing now. I take what labour supporters say with a pinch of salt too. That they never achieved for themselves. We are all laughing now at how they have fucked it up so badly and so soon Doofus. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 18, 2024 8:15:36 GMT
It's time to recognize when you are talking gobble-gook and take a step back to get a broader view The UK public have been politically moderate for decades. Their position/s hasn't changed much in the last three decades You may be right, but Thatcher was not that long ago. Thatcher was Hard-Right and she did serious social and financial damage to this country. Be warned, the final outcome from a Rightist government in the UK will be painful and costly for far too many. Thatcher was not hard right in the terms i outlined In terms of the typical political disposition of the UK public, she probably more 'at the centre' than most people in politics today. It's a complex thing because some of Thatcher's views on economics were not very widely held - or rather not strongly held - by the UK public. I think if Margaret Thatcher were to be somehow magically reincarnated back into UK politics with the same persona she had in the eighties, there would be a good chance she would become prime minister again - ie that she would gain large popular support. Please notice what i am saying here - i'm not saying Thatcher is correct or better. What i am saying is that her attitude set and intuitions overlaps significantly and resonates with the attitude set of the UK public. |
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