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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 14, 2024 13:29:40 GMT
I guess it is but I can fully understand why reform are doing it Baron. Yes but then using the same thinking, one can fully understand why Starmer is accepting all these free gifts off Ali. Anyway, the way I see running a political party is much like running a business. Lets suppose you were a local firm and your customer arranged delivery on a certain date and was not in at the time due to an unexpected medical appointment and apologises. You could bill them extra for it, but in practice it is stupid to do so because customers have mouths. Much better is it to take the small cost to you on the chin and have a happy customer. What I'm saying is collecting every last penny you are entitled to get is going to make you look like a Scrouge. It does not pay either. This is because at the same time the business is coughing up tons of cash to pay advertisers to bring in the punters, but taking money like that just results on higher advertising costs as you are marketing to people who don't like the smell of you.
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Post by see2 on Oct 14, 2024 14:03:11 GMT
Reform UK are "within reach" of taking the lead in a national poll as Nigel Farage's populist party cut Labour’s lead to just six per cent in a shock opinion. The Party just needs two points from Labour and the Tories to draw level. The change marks a huge change since July 4, with Labour down by seven-points and the Conservatives up by around three per cent. According to the More in Common’s poll, Labour ended up level with the Tory Party on 27 per cent. While Reform UK has soared to 21 per cent. Former Ukip donor, Arron Banks shared the results on social media and said: "Leading a national poll is within reach for Reform". www.gbnews.com/politics/politics-latest-reform-uk-polls-labour-conservatives-updateReform is just the latest aberration of the UKIP Party, a Wolf in Sheep's clothing. GB News has to be questioned because it is an unrestricted Rightist 'News' outlet. Even so, its still early days. Its the last furlong where credit or criticism will mean anything.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 14, 2024 14:18:34 GMT
Reform UK are "within reach" of taking the lead in a national poll as Nigel Farage's populist party cut Labour’s lead to just six per cent in a shock opinion. The Party just needs two points from Labour and the Tories to draw level. The change marks a huge change since July 4, with Labour down by seven-points and the Conservatives up by around three per cent. According to the More in Common’s poll, Labour ended up level with the Tory Party on 27 per cent. While Reform UK has soared to 21 per cent. Former Ukip donor, Arron Banks shared the results on social media and said: "Leading a national poll is within reach for Reform". www.gbnews.com/politics/politics-latest-reform-uk-polls-labour-conservatives-updateReform is just the latest aberration of the UKIP Party, a Wolf in Sheep's clothing. GB News has to be questioned because it is an unrestricted Rightist 'News' outlet. Even so, its still early days. Its the last furlong where credit or criticism will mean anything. The base problem is a simple message appeals to far more people than an optimal solution, lets say. This is because the demos is largely made up of simple people. However as you put out your simple message (throw out all the foreigners say) then your fan base also comprises of these simple people, and when it comes to finding MP candidates amongst your fans, you can end up with dunces who don't have a hope in hell's chance of delivering what is promised. It really is catch 22, and affects all parties. To make matters worse the media also play the same game, so they will apportion far more coverage of simple talk so the public debate becomes demented and fails in its democratic role.
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 14, 2024 14:31:09 GMT
Anyone who knows anything about opinion polls understands that you cannot read a great deal into One poll, and that you must watch for trends, including those who produce Poll Of Polls.
The "More In Common" poll could be a fair picture of how the electorate are now thinking, and how they would vote if there were to be an election tomorrow, on the other hand it may not be accurate, and could be what is termed as been "an outliner".
Certain aspects of politics are very predictable - you can safely bet that all of the most unpopular decisions have been planned to come early on in the lifetime of the new government, including scrapping the Winter Fuel Payments for most pensioners.
As there's 4 years and 9 months to go until the next election, the poll is close to been irrelevant, as are all polls at this stage in the lifetime of this government term.
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Post by Rebirth on Oct 14, 2024 14:33:13 GMT
I think Reform would win the GE if it was held today. Labvour and their propagandists are totally unconvincing and shit. They're literally relying on Hamas supporters on here.
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Post by wapentake on Oct 14, 2024 14:44:32 GMT
Anyone who knows anything about opinion polls understands that you cannot read a great deal into One poll, and that you must watch for trends, including those who produce Poll Of Polls. The "More In Common" poll could be a fair picture of how the electorate are now thinking, and how they would vote if there were to be an election tomorrow, on the other hand it may not be accurate, and could be what is termed as been "an outliner". Certain aspects of politics are very predictable - you can safely bet that all of the most unpopular decisions have been planned to come early on in the lifetime of the new government, including scrapping the Winter Fuel Payments for most pensioners. As there's 4 years and 9 months to go until the next election, the poll is close to been irrelevant, as are all polls at this stage in the lifetime of this government term. Who are you trying to convince,yourself ? There might be nearly five years to go,that doesn’t mean they won’t collapse further. Starmer talks like an android totally devoid of any emotion,he has all the charisma of a dead fish.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 14, 2024 14:49:54 GMT
I guess it is but I can fully understand why reform are doing it Baron. Yes but then using the same thinking, one can fully understand why Starmer is accepting all these free gifts off Ali. Anyway, the way I see running a political party is much like running a business. Lets suppose you were a local firm and your customer arranged delivery on a certain date and was not in at the time due to an unexpected medical appointment and apologises. You could bill them extra for it, but in practice it is stupid to do so because customers have mouths. Much better is it to take the small cost to you on the chin and have a happy customer. What I'm saying is collecting every last penny you are entitled to get is going to make you look like a Scrouge. It does not pay either. This is because at the same time the business is coughing up tons of cash to pay advertisers to bring in the punters, but taking money like that just results on higher advertising costs as you are marketing to people who don't like the smell of you. But it seems that reform have a waiting list of those who want to take up their offer. I agree £300 a pop isn't cheap but it seems that those who support Reform are willing to pay that amount to be shown around the HOC. Lets not forget Reform do not have the number of high paying donators unlike all the other parties.. It seems that Zia Yusuf and Richard Tice were the major ones who put money into reforms pot prior to he last GE...
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Post by jonksy on Oct 14, 2024 14:54:10 GMT
Anyone who knows anything about opinion polls understands that you cannot read a great deal into One poll, and that you must watch for trends, including those who produce Poll Of Polls. The "More In Common" poll could be a fair picture of how the electorate are now thinking, and how they would vote if there were to be an election tomorrow, on the other hand it may not be accurate, and could be what is termed as been "an outliner". Certain aspects of politics are very predictable - you can safely bet that all of the most unpopular decisions have been planned to come early on in the lifetime of the new government, including scrapping the Winter Fuel Payments for most pensioners. As there's 4 years and 9 months to go until the next election, the poll is close to been irrelevant, as are all polls at this stage in the lifetime of this government term. Who are you trying to convince,yourself ? There might be nearly five years to go,that doesn’t mean they won’t collapse further. Starmer talks like an android totally devoid of any emotion,he has all the charisma of a dead fish. It pains me to state this, but even Davey and Sunak have more charisma than starmer..
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Post by thomas on Oct 14, 2024 15:12:39 GMT
Reform UK are "within reach" of taking the lead in a national poll as Nigel Farage's populist party cut Labour’s lead to just six per cent in a shock opinion. The Party just needs two points from Labour and the Tories to draw level. The change marks a huge change since July 4, with Labour down by seven-points and the Conservatives up by around three per cent. According to the More in Common’s poll, Labour ended up level with the Tory Party on 27 per cent. While Reform UK has soared to 21 per cent. Former Ukip donor, Arron Banks shared the results on social media and said: "Leading a national poll is within reach for Reform". www.gbnews.com/politics/politics-latest-reform-uk-polls-labour-conservatives-update GB News has to be questioned because it is an unrestricted Rightist 'News' outlet. Even so, its still early days. Its the last furlong where credit or criticism will mean anything. see this is typical labour supporters , shooting the messenger for delivering the message. Thats why I was laughing at witch finder over the weekend trying to imply labour supporters are some sort of defender of free speech. Gb news is simply the platform reporting the polling information put out by the pollster more in common , which both. myself and pacifico posted about over the weekend. there's the latest polls here... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#National_poll_results ....or if your new labour sensibilities cant handle wikipedia , or gb news , here's lefty Owen jones in the Scottish national slagging off starmers first 100 days in office... www.thenational.scot/politics/24648258.100-days-keir-starmer-taught-us/
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Post by thomas on Oct 14, 2024 15:20:57 GMT
Anyone who knows anything about opinion polls understands that you cannot read a great deal into One poll, and that you must watch for trends, including those who produce Poll Of Polls. eh? Here's the trend of numerous polls here..... and more... Talk about burying your head in the sand.
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 14, 2024 15:40:44 GMT
I see now reform are showing their supporters around the HOC at 300 quid per head and there is a waiting list for those who want to visit. As tesco states every little helps.. Politicians ripping people off? Meh, they're all the same.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 14, 2024 15:43:21 GMT
Yes but then using the same thinking, one can fully understand why Starmer is accepting all these free gifts off Ali. Anyway, the way I see running a political party is much like running a business. Lets suppose you were a local firm and your customer arranged delivery on a certain date and was not in at the time due to an unexpected medical appointment and apologises. You could bill them extra for it, but in practice it is stupid to do so because customers have mouths. Much better is it to take the small cost to you on the chin and have a happy customer. What I'm saying is collecting every last penny you are entitled to get is going to make you look like a Scrouge. It does not pay either. This is because at the same time the business is coughing up tons of cash to pay advertisers to bring in the punters, but taking money like that just results on higher advertising costs as you are marketing to people who don't like the smell of you. But it seems that reform have a waiting list of those who want to take up their offer. I agree £300 a pop isn't cheap but it seems that those who support Reform are willing to pay that amount to be shown around the HOC. Lets not forget Reform do not have the number of high paying donators unlike all the other parties.. It seems that Zia Yusuf and Richard Tice were the major ones who put money into reforms pot prior to he last GE... The way I would go about it is to keep squeaky clean first and foremost so you can criticise the others without the risk of being exposed as a hypocrite (which is deadly in politics). To raise money, I would put all my efforts into building a large membership. There are several reasons, and membership fees is just the first. A large membership makes it look more democratic. Out of a large membership you have a larger pool to select your candidates for election. You also have a larger pool of brains, where you can select your expert advisors, like professors and the like. When you have a large membership you can fill larger local venues, and this is another way to raise cash. If you accept large donations off elite financiers, it is the same as you owning 100% of a firm and selling equity for investment. They will buy control of the party, and they do, and this is where all the corruption occurs.
In the 1950s the Cons had 3m members. If that were today, you could say think, ah 3m times ten quid a year, that's £30m for starters. I did a little calculation for fun a while back and came to the realisation that in China today, membership of the party is the same proportion as the Cons back in the 1950s. I mean who says the Reform Party could not manage the same sort of numbers. It's got 90k right now, but it is rising fast. It could become a fashion you know!
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Post by jonksy on Oct 14, 2024 15:45:38 GMT
I see now reform are showing their supporters around the HOC at 300 quid per head and there is a waiting list for those who want to visit. As tesco states every little helps.. Politicians ripping people off? Meh, they're all the same. How are they ripping people off if they are willing to pay andrea? Don't try and put Reform in the same category as the labour infestion....It's people choice if they want to be shown around the HOC by a Reform MP.....
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 14, 2024 15:58:06 GMT
Its not suprising at all that Keir Starmers popularity rating has plummeted, and its also no big suprise that Labours big lead prior to the general election has vanished.
The government were not elected to be popular, they were elected on a promise to get growth going again in our economy, fix the NHS and public services and they told the public that it would be tough.
There is also a £22 Billion black hole in the budget
You cant be popular whilst fixing a mess on the scale that it is, but no doubt the government hope that by fixing things and taking unpopular decisions now, and by putting policies into motion that will bring the desired results in the medium term will pay off come the next general election.
EVERY measure that the government will undertake will be criticised by the usual suspects, but those usual suspects do not have an alternative answer, and going backwards to the last 14 years has no answers either.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 14, 2024 16:05:42 GMT
Its not suprising at all that Keir Starmers popularity rating has plummeted, and its also no big suprise that Labours big lead prior to the general election has vanished. The government were not elected to be popular, they were elected on a promise to get growth going again in our economy, fix the NHS and public services and they told the public that it would be tough. There is also a £22 Billion black hole in the budgetYou cant be popular whilst fixing a mess on the scale that it is, but no doubt the government hope that by fixing things and taking unpopular decisions now, and by putting policies into motion that will bring the desired results in the medium term will pay off come the next general election. EVERY measure that the government will undertake will be criticised by the usual suspects, but those usual suspects do not have an alternative answer, and going backwards to the last 14 years has no answers either. They were not elected fiddles FFS they got in by the Tories loss of votes...
£22 billion is a fucking splash in the ocean to what the arseholes are going to pay for our so called acts of slavery...
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