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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 15:00:49 GMT
I think they just had ideas. One being that Germany is subservient to America and/or American interests. After all, Germany houses America's nuclear weapons that are pointing at Russia, and they are currently buying American arms. It has been this way since WW2, where some believe it was even earlier. I don't believe that is a conspiracy theory, but can't say for sure where the line is drawn. They're allowed to have ideas. What they're not allowed to do is plot to overthrow the government. Nobody doubted that, the questioning is related to their reasons for wanting to do so. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 15:02:23 GMT
They're allowed to have ideas. What they're not allowed to do is plot to overthrow the government. Nobody doubted that, the questioning is related to their reasons for wanting to do so. I'm quite sure that it has been said that they didn't actually do anything. At least part of the discussion has focused on their actions, not just their motives. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 15:05:07 GMT
Didn't we conclude, only yesterday, that you believe British democracy is fraud and that you have single handedly created anger?
Feel free to report me to the police if I ever conspire to overthrow the government with a small army of tinfoil-hat-wearing looney tunes. I'm sure they pop by from time to time.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 15:27:29 GMT
Nobody doubted that, the questioning is related to their reasons for wanting to do so. I'm quite sure that it has been said that they didn't actually do anything. At least part of the discussion has focused on their actions, not just their motives. What actions? As far as I can tell it was a conspiracy by a handful of people, where some even held respectable positions in German society. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 11, 2022 15:58:04 GMT
Didn't we conclude, only yesterday, that you believe British democracy is fraud and that you have single handedly created anger?
Feel free to report me to the police if I ever conspire to overthrow the government with a small army of tinfoil-hat-wearing looney tunes. Incitement to others to undertake an illegal act is of itself an illegal act. No conspiracy is necessary. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 17:40:01 GMT
Feel free to report me to the police if I ever conspire to overthrow the government with a small army of tinfoil-hat-wearing looney tunes. Incitement to others to undertake an illegal act is of itself an illegal act. No conspiracy is necessary. Who said otherwise? But, at the time of their arrest, they had only plotted (conspired). |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 17:48:53 GMT
I'm quite sure that it has been said that they didn't actually do anything. At least part of the discussion has focused on their actions, not just their motives. What actions? If you don't understand that conspiring is an action, there isn't much that can be done to help you. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 17:50:59 GMT
I'm quite sure that it has been said that they didn't actually do anything. At least part of the discussion has focused on their actions, not just their motives. where some even held respectable positions in German society. People holding respectable positions in German society have been tried and convicted of all sorts of crimes, including rape and murder. These 'respectable people' stored weapons and explosives' (see below). |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 18:02:22 GMT
According to The New York Times, the plotters intended to execute the Chancellor. If that isn't confirmation they are terrorists, I don't know what is. And what sort of non-terrorist organisation stores 'weapons and explosives'? 'Heinrich XIII, prosecutors and intelligence officials say, also used his lodge to host meetings where he and a band of far-right co-conspirators plotted to overthrow the German government and execute the chancellor. In the basement, the group stored weapons and explosives. In the forest that sloped beneath the lodge, they sometimes held target practice.' www.nytimes.com/2022/12/11/world/europe/germany-prince-heinrich-xiii.html |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 11, 2022 18:42:02 GMT
According to The New York Times, the plotters intended to execute the Chancellor. If that isn't confirmation they are terrorists, I don't know what is. And what sort of non-terrorist organisation stores 'weapons and explosives'? 'Heinrich XIII, prosecutors and intelligence officials say, also used his lodge to host meetings where he and a band of far-right co-conspirators plotted to overthrow the German government and execute the chancellor. In the basement, the group stored weapons and explosives. In the forest that sloped beneath the lodge, they sometimes held target practice.' www.nytimes.com/2022/12/11/world/europe/germany-prince-heinrich-xiii.htmlShould that not have allegedly after it? If a man walks into a bank and steals money and is stopped at teh scene by police he still always a suspect. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 18:44:31 GMT
According to The New York Times, the plotters intended to execute the Chancellor. If that isn't confirmation they are terrorists, I don't know what is. And what sort of non-terrorist organisation stores 'weapons and explosives'? 'Heinrich XIII, prosecutors and intelligence officials say, also used his lodge to host meetings where he and a band of far-right co-conspirators plotted to overthrow the German government and execute the chancellor. In the basement, the group stored weapons and explosives. In the forest that sloped beneath the lodge, they sometimes held target practice.' www.nytimes.com/2022/12/11/world/europe/germany-prince-heinrich-xiii.htmlShould that not have allegedly after it? If a man walks into a bank and steals money and is stopped at teh scene by police he still always a suspect. Let it go, Sandy. The evidence is pretty overwhelming. Who keeps explosives in their basement? Are we supposed to believe this German aristocrat was moonlighting as a quarry worker? |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 11, 2022 18:49:39 GMT
Should that not have allegedly after it? If a man walks into a bank and steals money and is stopped at teh scene by police he still always a suspect. Let it go, Sandy. The evidence is pretty overwhelming. Who keeps explosives in their basement? Are we supposed to believe this German aristocrat was moonlighting as a quarry worker? Should that not be tested in a court of law or is guilty in the hands of the governments and social media now. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 18:51:28 GMT
Let it go, Sandy. The evidence is pretty overwhelming. Who keeps explosives in their basement? Are we supposed to believe this German aristocrat was moonlighting as a quarry worker? Should that not be tested in a court of law or is guilty in the hands of the governments and social media now. Yes, it will be tested in a court of law. Let's both make a mental note of your high standards for future reference. I'll be very disappointed to hear you describe people arriving in dinghies as criminals, etc. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 11, 2022 19:09:40 GMT
Should that not be tested in a court of law or is guilty in the hands of the governments and social media now. Yes, it will be tested in a court of law. Let's both make a mental note of your high standards for future reference. I'll be very disappointed to hear you describe people arriving in dinghies as criminals, etc. I do not think I ever have, we know however they are illegal migrants and/or asylum seekers as that is exactly what the border force say. If you are without your passport in France you do not have to go through a court procedure, the police can just deport you as being in France with no permission to do so. Same here unless you claim asylum. That is the way some law works. However, having said that and but, a criminal offence such as these people are accused of does require a court case to be undertaken and proven until then they are suspects. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 19:11:46 GMT
Yes, it will be tested in a court of law. Let's both make a mental note of your high standards for future reference. I'll be very disappointed to hear you describe people arriving in dinghies as criminals, etc. I do not think I ever have, we know however they are illegal migrants and/or asylum seekers as that is exactly what the border force say. If you are without your passport in France you do not have to go through a court procedure, the police can just deport you as being in France with no permission to do so. Same here unless you claim asylum. That is the way some law works. However, having said that and but, a criminal offence such as these people are accused of does require a court case to be undertaken and proven until then they are suspects. Oh, I see. We know that the migrants are illegals (which would make them criminals) because the border force say so. But we don't know that these people belonged to a terrorist organisation just because the German officials say so. You're digging yourself deeper, Sandy. You should have given up at least 10 posts ago. |
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