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Post by Orac on Dec 11, 2022 13:59:47 GMT
It is an action. I don't know what German law's definition of terrorism is. But the newspapers report that the lady who was tasked with gaining help and support from Moscow belonged to a 'terrorist cell'. If wanting to overthrow, or thinking about overthrowing, a government amounts to an act of terrorism, then many radical left groups have been engaged in continuous terrorism for the last fifty years. I think the word is getting a bit over-used. Terrorism are acts designed to terrorise. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 14:04:42 GMT
It is an action. I don't know what German law's definition of terrorism is. But the newspapers report that the lady who was tasked with gaining help and support from Moscow belonged to a 'terrorist cell'. If wanting to overthrow, or thinking about overthrowing, a government amounts to an act of terrorism, then many radical left groups have been engaged in continuous terrorism for the last fifty years. I think the word is getting a bit over-used. Terrorism are acts designed to terrorise. You can think about anything you like. There are no thought crimes. What you can't do is conspire to overthrow the government. That's conspiracy to commit high treason. Actions are required to conspire. Unless you claim they conspired by telepathy. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 11, 2022 14:10:44 GMT
You can think about anything you like. There are no thought crimes. What you can't do is conspire to overthrow the government. That's conspiracy to commit high treason. Actions are required to conspire. Unless you claim they conspired by telepathy. So, we know what we are talking about and everything is lined up. Tor as said he is not at all surprised people are conspiring to overthrow the German government. Is that an endorsement of terrorism? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 14:11:56 GMT
If wanting to overthrow, or thinking about overthrowing, a government amounts to an act of terrorism, then many radical left groups have been engaged in continuous terrorism for the last fifty years. I think the word is getting a bit over-used. Terrorism are acts designed to terrorise. You can think about anything you like. There are no thought crimes. What you can't do is conspire to overthrow the government. That's conspiracy to commit high treason. Actions are required to conspire. Unless you claim they conspired by telepathy. So, no terrorism and any other action happened. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 14:13:22 GMT
You can think about anything you like. There are no thought crimes. What you can't do is conspire to overthrow the government. That's conspiracy to commit high treason. Actions are required to conspire. Unless you claim they conspired by telepathy. So, we know what we are talking about and everything is lined up. Tor as said he is not at all surprised people are conspiring to overthrow the German government. Is that an endorsement of terrorism? It's a statement that their actions were reasonable. Unless he meant to convey the idea that he is not surprised that some looney Qanon conspiracy theorists have plotted to overthrow the government. If so, he should have been clearer on that point. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 14:14:49 GMT
You can think about anything you like. There are no thought crimes. What you can't do is conspire to overthrow the government. That's conspiracy to commit high treason. Actions are required to conspire. Unless you claim they conspired by telepathy. So, no terrorism and any other action happened. If there was no conspiracy, they have nothing to worry about. Maybe it was just a coincidence, and all these people individually planned to overthrow the government without forming a plan with each other. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 11, 2022 14:20:41 GMT
So, no terrorism and any other action happened. If there was no conspiracy, they have nothing to worry about. Maybe it was just a coincidence, and all these people individually planned to overthrow the government without forming a plan with each other. They didn't even storm the seat of government or try to hang the vice chancellor. Bloody amateurs. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 11, 2022 14:35:03 GMT
It's a statement that their actions were reasonable. What actions? Tor is saying he is not surprised, and given the circumstances, wanting to overthrow the government is perhaps an understandable sentiment. He didn't endorse any action. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 11, 2022 14:35:44 GMT
Did they even have a gun between them?
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 14:37:52 GMT
It's a statement that their actions were reasonable. What actions? Tor is saying he is not surprised, and given the circumstances, wanting to overthrow the government is perhaps an understandable sentiment. He didn't endorse any action. An action that is understandable is a reasonable action, right? Describing conspiracy to overthrow an elected government as reasonable isn't acceptable to most people. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 14:38:30 GMT
Did they even have a gun between them? In their lunacy, they imagined themselves to have the entire German army. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 14:46:59 GMT
Did they even have a gun between them? In their lunacy, they imagined themselves to have the entire German army. Didn't we conclude, only yesterday, that you believe British democracy is fraud and that you have single handedly created anger?
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 14:53:03 GMT
In their lunacy, they imagined themselves to have the entire German army. Didn't we conclude, only yesterday, that you believe British democracy is fraud and that you have single handedly created anger?
Feel free to report me to the police if I ever conspire to overthrow the government with a small army of tinfoil-hat-wearing looney tunes. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 14:56:50 GMT
Did they even have a gun between them? I think they just had ideas. One being that Germany is subservient to America and/or American interests. After all, Germany houses America's nuclear weapons that are pointing at Russia, and they are currently buying American arms. It has been this way since WW2, where some believe it was even earlier. I don't believe that is a conspiracy theory, but can't say for sure where the line is drawn. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 14:58:43 GMT
Did they even have a gun between them? I think they just had ideas. One being that Germany is subservient to America and/or American interests. After all, Germany houses America's nuclear weapons that are pointing at Russia, and they are currently buying American arms. It has been this way since WW2, where some believe it was even earlier. I don't believe that is a conspiracy theory, but can't say for sure where the line is drawn. They're allowed to have ideas. What they're not allowed to do is plot to overthrow the government. |
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