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Post by sandypine on Dec 8, 2022 15:44:14 GMT
Always nice to have a supporter of terrorism here on the forum to provide some balance. Do you think it's good for a moderator to smear another member of illegal activities when it's obvious that this isn't what happened? You are confusing the acceptance of reality with support and it does not appear to have been terrorism but a coup. Not the same thing at all. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 8, 2022 15:48:40 GMT
He didn't attempt to justify them and was objectively trying to understand why these people exist. Your accusation is nothing more than a smear and now looks like intentional intimidation to silence him. I can't see this 4chan being any worse than any other uniformed echo-chamber, not that I've ever visited it. LOL! Listen to yourself. Sandy said: 'I suppose the question is why did it takes so long for people to consider a coup.' This strongly suggests that their actions were reasonable. It strongly suggests the reason they considered those actions were understandable. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 8, 2022 15:51:37 GMT
LOL! Listen to yourself. Sandy said: 'I suppose the question is why did it takes so long for people to consider a coup.' This strongly suggests that their actions were reasonable. It strongly suggests the reason they considered those actions were understandable. Yep. That's what I said you thought. And you got the reaction that post deserved. If you had said the actions of any other organisation that seeks to overthrow a democratically elected government, you would have got the same response. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 8, 2022 15:55:28 GMT
It strongly suggests the reason they considered those actions were understandable. Yep. That's what I said you thought. And you got the reaction that post deserved. If you had said the actions of any other organisation that seeks to overthrow a democratically elected government, you would have got the same response. The post said I supported terrorism. A coup is not terrorism. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 8, 2022 15:57:17 GMT
Yep. That's what I said you thought. And you got the reaction that post deserved. If you had said the actions of any other organisation that seeks to overthrow a democratically elected government, you would have got the same response. The post said I supported terrorism. A coup is not terrorism. Isn't it? I just googled a definition of a coup: 'a sudden, violent, and unlawful seizure of power from a government'. It sure sounds like terrorism to me. Particularly so when it is against a democratically elected government. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 8, 2022 15:59:09 GMT
I remarked earlier that your post gave the objective impression that you supported their actions. I left space for the conclusion that that may not have been your intention. Can you confirm that you strongly disagree with the actions these people planned to take?
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Post by Vinny on Dec 8, 2022 16:01:00 GMT
Yep. That's what I said you thought. And you got the reaction that post deserved. If you had said the actions of any other organisation that seeks to overthrow a democratically elected government, you would have got the same response. The post said I supported terrorism. A coup is not terrorism. It's an attack on an entire country, their democracy, their human rights, human decency. The ballot box is the way to overthrow a government, not a coup. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 8, 2022 16:02:01 GMT
The post said I supported terrorism. A coup is not terrorism. Isn't it? I just googled a definition of a coup: 'a sudden, violent, and unlawful seizure of power from a government'. It sure sounds like terrorism to me. Particularly so when it is against a democratically elected government. Is it terrorism? There was no intent as far as I am aware to instill terror into the public to make them afraid of what would happen. Unlike Mandela in SA where terror was the watchword and the means to overthrow a legal government. Yet that has wide leftish support and in fact the terrorist in chief is very close to beatification. With your definition then Mandela was organising a coup. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 8, 2022 16:04:02 GMT
The post said I supported terrorism. A coup is not terrorism. It's an attack on an entire country, their democracy, their human rights, human decency. The ballot box is the way to overthrow a government, not a coup. I agree but it depends very much on how a government is seen. Mandela eschewed the ballot box and we erected a statue. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 8, 2022 16:05:43 GMT
SA wasn't a real democracy.
Mandela did decades in prison before being able to use the ballot box.
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 8, 2022 16:05:47 GMT
Isn't it? I just googled a definition of a coup: 'a sudden, violent, and unlawful seizure of power from a government'. It sure sounds like terrorism to me. Particularly so when it is against a democratically elected government. Is it terrorism? There was no intent as far as I am aware to instill terror into the public to make them afraid of what would happen. Unlike Mandela in SA where terror was the watchword and the means to overthrow a legal government. Yet that has wide leftish support and in fact the terrorist in chief is very close to beatification. With your definition then Mandela was organising a coup. I know nothing about Mandela other than he was imprisoned. I believe he described himself as a terrorist, though I'm not certain about that. Returning to the issue at hand: there is some confusion as to whether you support what these people planned to do. Can you provide some clarity? Do you condemn them? A yes or no answer will be fine. We're all adults here, so you can take it for granted that a wishy-washy reply like 'their actions were understandable' will be seen as an attempt at evasion. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 8, 2022 16:07:13 GMT
I remarked earlier that your post gave the objective impression that you supported their actions. I left space for the conclusion that that may not have been your intention. Can you confirm that you strongly disagree with the actions these people planned to take? Of course I do. It does however indicate the general loss of the consensus that most Western governments are currently experiencing becasue they appear to be in thrall and at the command of powers beyond the ballot box. It is that loss of consensus that makes the actions understandable. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 8, 2022 16:10:10 GMT
Is it terrorism? There was no intent as far as I am aware to instill terror into the public to make them afraid of what would happen. Unlike Mandela in SA where terror was the watchword and the means to overthrow a legal government. Yet that has wide leftish support and in fact the terrorist in chief is very close to beatification. With your definition then Mandela was organising a coup. I know nothing about Mandela other than he was imprisoned. I believe he described himself as a terrorist, though I'm not certain about that. Returning to the issue at hand: there is some confusion as to whether you support what these people planned to do. Can you provide some clarity? Do you condemn them? A yes or no answer will be fine. We're all adults here, so you can take it for granted that a wishy-washy reply like 'their actions were understandable' will be seen as an attempt at evasion. I refer you to my post above. The Church street bomb and the rather unpleasant method of killing suspected police informers were significant acts of terrorism. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 8, 2022 16:12:07 GMT
I remarked earlier that your post gave the objective impression that you supported their actions. I left space for the conclusion that that may not have been your intention. Can you confirm that you strongly disagree with the actions these people planned to take? Of course I do. It does however indicate the general loss of the consensus that most Western governments are currently experiencing becasue they appear to be in thrall and at the command of powers beyond the ballot box. It is that loss of consensus that makes the actions understandable. Good. We're all agreed that what they planned to do was an egregious crime against democracy. These people couldn't get what they wanted at the ballot box (there are several far-right parties in Germany), so they went for the undemocratic alterative. If the German people were of the populist mindset you believe (that is, if they thought their government was in thrall and at the command of powers beyond the ballot box), then they would have voted a populist party into power. They didn't. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 8, 2022 16:14:01 GMT
I know nothing about Mandela other than he was imprisoned. I believe he described himself as a terrorist, though I'm not certain about that. Returning to the issue at hand: there is some confusion as to whether you support what these people planned to do. Can you provide some clarity? Do you condemn them? A yes or no answer will be fine. We're all adults here, so you can take it for granted that a wishy-washy reply like 'their actions were understandable' will be seen as an attempt at evasion. I refer you to my post above. The Church street bomb and the rather unpleasant method of killing suspected police informers were significant acts of terrorism. I fully understand that it is in your interests to turn the discussion to something else, given that you, momentarily at least, gave the impression of being a fascist. Let's stick to the subject at hand. I know practically nothing about Mandela, and I don't need to in order to recognise fascism when I see it. |
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