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Post by Orac on Dec 12, 2022 11:53:31 GMT
Where do you stand on Qanon, Mags? Do you support these people or do you condemn their actions? Where do I stand? Qanon is an alternate reality sci-fi group writing project, very similar to the 'white supremacy conspiracy' fantasy group writing project that has been installed earnestly in many of our government institutions / universities. Not sure how I would go about supporting such a thing. I occasionally watch the videos - is that enough or do I have to wear antlers? |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 12, 2022 11:55:26 GMT
Where do you stand on Qanon, Mags? Do you support these people or do you condemn their actions? Where do I stand? Qanon is an alternate reality sci-fi group writing project, very similar to the 'white supremacy conspiracy' fantasy group writing project that has been installed earnestly in many of our government institutions / universities. Not sure how I would go about supporting such a thing. I occasionally watch the videos - is that enough or do I have to wear antlers? Okay, agree might be a better word than support. Do you agree with them? Are you in any way sympathetic to the cause espoused by the German coup plotters? |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 12, 2022 11:57:13 GMT
You're taking this in a new direction. Sandy said they're not criminals until convicted. I said the same applies to those in the dinghies. If someone factually commits a crime then they are by definition a criminal. If your position is that they are innocent of the crime but also that they factually committed it, that's a contradiction. Don't feed the troll. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 12, 2022 11:59:25 GMT
If someone factually commits a crime then they are by definition a criminal. If your position is that they are innocent of the crime but also that they factually committed it, that's a contradiction. Don't feed the troll. I've done nothing that could be remotely described as trolling. The thread went briefly off topic, you complained. You then took the thread off topic almost immediately yourself, in your usual self-contradictory way. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 12, 2022 12:07:35 GMT
Okay, agree might be a better word than support. Do you agree with them? Are you in any way sympathetic to the cause espoused by the German coup plotters? Their 'manifesto' seems to be that everyone should remain calm and do nothing because Donald Trump is going to use his time machine to save the country - but, In the meantime, buy some silver from my special website. Do I support this stance? No. It sounds to me like you take the threat seriously though. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 12, 2022 12:08:58 GMT
Sorry - myself and darling are dragging this thread off topic. I will refrain |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 12, 2022 12:09:35 GMT
You're a mod, you can delete off topic posts.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 12, 2022 12:11:25 GMT
I believe it's more to do with demanding conformity to their views, like taking a vow of allegiance to some group or totalitarian regime. If you don't spend the next several pages condemning the things they insist on being openly condemned there's an opportunity to undermine your character with all sorts of accusations, like supporting terrorism.
Wrong right from the get-go. You make it sound like Sandy was called-out for something he didn't do (not spending pages condemning the coup). The opposite is true. He was called-out for what he did do: that is, objectively supporting the German Qanon conspiracy theorists. Intentionally or otherwise, he gave the impression that he believed that such a coup was reasonable in the circumstances Germany finds itself. So, it wasn't his inactivity or passivity that started this, but a positive statement made by him that a reasonable reader would have understood as an argument in mitigation of their actions. And what would you know about reasonable people?
Sandy's point was perfectly clear to us reasonable people.
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 12, 2022 12:11:32 GMT
It sounds to me like you take the threat seriously though. Yeah? You must have missed the posts where I said that anyone who has ever spent any time in Germany would know that the coup could never have succeeded. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 12, 2022 12:15:00 GMT
Wrong right from the get-go. You make it sound like Sandy was called-out for something he didn't do (not spending pages condemning the coup). The opposite is true. He was called-out for what he did do: that is, objectively supporting the German Qanon conspiracy theorists. Intentionally or otherwise, he gave the impression that he believed that such a coup was reasonable in the circumstances Germany finds itself. So, it wasn't his inactivity or passivity that started this, but a positive statement made by him that a reasonable reader would have understood as an argument in mitigation of their actions. And what would you know about reasonable people?
Sandy's point was perfectly clear to us reasonable people.
We'll just have to agree to differ on the definition of reasonable. The nicotine-stained man-frog in your avatar refused to vote in favour of EU measures to curb Putin's propaganda in the EU Parliament. So, obviously you will view this differently. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 12, 2022 12:59:26 GMT
Pretty sure stockpiling explosives is illegal in Germany. Since Baader Meinhof they've been quite tough on terrorists.
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 12, 2022 13:01:19 GMT
Sorry - myself and darling are dragging this thread off topic. I will refrain You forgot to mention that Vinny momentarily dragged it off-topic himself, almost immediately after his complaint. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 12, 2022 13:07:19 GMT
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 12, 2022 13:13:15 GMT
I think we can do away with the notion that these insurrectionists aren't criminals until they are convicted then. Stockpiling weapons and explosives goes a lot further than a few Qanon idiots mouthing off about overthrowing the government. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 12, 2022 13:39:09 GMT
Where do I stand? Qanon is an alternate reality sci-fi group writing project, very similar to the 'white supremacy conspiracy' fantasy group writing project that has been installed earnestly in many of our government institutions / universities. Not sure how I would go about supporting such a thing. I occasionally watch the videos - is that enough or do I have to wear antlers? Okay, agree might be a better word than support. Do you agree with them? Are you in any way sympathetic to the cause espoused by the German coup plotters?
I say Whoiney, you do seem somewhat keen to lay some kind of accusation at the door of other posters. First Sandy, now Mags. It must be very important to you.
Personally, I find the coup plotters rather fun. After all as Mao said: "Politics is war without bloodshed, while war is politics with bloodshed" so the odd coup is nothing more than the rough & tumble of political life.
They should be given a slap on the wrist and sent on their way. Silly buggers.
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