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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 23, 2024 23:15:25 GMT
I dread to ask, but did you notice the OP? The NHS have admitted that English speaking patients are pushed to the back of the queue. In other words, non English speaking immigrants come before English people who have spent a lifetime paying for the NHS. Yay democracy. according to the DM lol FFS get someone to read it to you. The DM are reporting what Imperial College NHS trust said. |
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Post by Ripley on Sept 23, 2024 23:21:49 GMT
Silly me, thinking that the topic was about NHS patient management, when what you really are steamed about is immigration. Of course I do see that all systems are strained, but wasn't Brexit supposed to solve that? Wasn't reclaiming sovereignty supposed to be the answer to immigration control? Why is the population not holding the government accountable for these unacceptable conditions? Why there has not been a revolution yet, I don't know. It's the government you should be mad at. They're the ones who are allowing all of this. Why you would think the thread is about NHS patient management is something of a mystery. Perhaps you missed the OP... Yes of course Brexit was 'supposed' to sort these things out, but with more than 70% of MP's and the entire left wing civil service being overtly pro EU, democracy never stood a chance. Regardless of the electorate, the establishment is firmly pro EU/pro immigration, which is great news for Farage and Reform UK. Fast tracking the patients who come along with interpreter bills and sending other patients to the back of the queue in order to accommodate them IS how they're managing patient loads, hence patient management. The civil service doesn't make legislation. Come off it. If your MPs are not to your liking, you know what to do, don't you? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 23, 2024 23:33:07 GMT
Fast tracking the patients who come along with interpreter bills and sending other patients to the back of the queue in order to accommodate them IS how they're managing patient loads, hence patient management. The civil service doesn't make legislation. Come off it. If your MPs are not to your liking, you know what to do, don't you? LOL, you call it patient management? Hilarious. The vast majority of English people who have spent a life time paying into the system, call it being pushed to the back of the queue. Maybe they're just racists. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2024 23:56:20 GMT
FFS get someone to read it to you. The DM are reporting what Imperial College NHS trust said. We have to make allowances Red we all know there are cards missing from the deck...
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 24, 2024 0:04:12 GMT
FFS get someone to read it to you. The DM are reporting what Imperial College NHS trust said. We have to make allowances Red we all know there are cards missing from the deck...
So it's not just in the DM, excellent. It was mentioned on GB News earlier as well. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2024 0:22:21 GMT
Its not just the NHS that has this problem.... Police Approved Interpreters and Translators Scheme (PAIT)
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Post by Ripley on Sept 24, 2024 0:33:28 GMT
Fast tracking the patients who come along with interpreter bills and sending other patients to the back of the queue in order to accommodate them IS how they're managing patient loads, hence patient management. The civil service doesn't make legislation. Come off it. If your MPs are not to your liking, you know what to do, don't you? LOL, you call it patient management? Hilarious. The vast majority of English people who have spent a life time paying into the system, call it being pushed to the back of the queue. Maybe they're just racists. Bad as it is, and I agree it shouldn't be happening at all, it isn't that widespread. Unless I'm mistaken, the article you cited says this is happening at 5 London hospitals run by Imperial College Healthcare, an NHS Trust. It does not say that this practice is occurring at all NHS hospitals. If it were, the article would presumably have made that clear. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2024 0:39:36 GMT
LOL, you call it patient management? Hilarious. The vast majority of English people who have spent a life time paying into the system, call it being pushed to the back of the queue. Maybe they're just racists. Bad as it is, and I agree it shouldn't be happening at all, it isn't that widespread. Unless I'm mistaken, the article you cited says this is happening at 5 London hospitals run by Imperial College Healthcare, an NHS Trust. It does not say that this practice is occurring at all NHS hospitals. If it were, the article would presumably have made that clear. The problem is nation wide... link
Translation and Interpretation Service......Torbay NHS
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Post by Ripley on Sept 24, 2024 0:59:07 GMT
Bad as it is, and I agree it shouldn't be happening at all, it isn't that widespread. Unless I'm mistaken, the article you cited says this is happening at 5 London hospitals run by Imperial College Healthcare, an NHS Trust. It does not say that this practice is occurring at all NHS hospitals. If it were, the article would presumably have made that clear. The problem is nation wide... link
Translation and Interpretation Service......Torbay NHS
They're both saying they provide translation and interpretation services: ("We have a duty under the Equality Act 2010 to make reasonable adjustments for those with a disability, or who experience barriers to accessing our services") but neither is saying that the costs of these services necessitate fast tracking the patients who need them to the detriment of English speaking patients. Maybe other NHS facilities can handle the costs well enough that they don't need to worry about how long the interpreter-using patients have to wait. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2024 1:31:11 GMT
The problem is nation wide... link
Translation and Interpretation Service......Torbay NHS
They're both saying they provide translation and interpretation services: ("We have a duty under the Equality Act 2010 to make reasonable adjustments for those with a disability, or who experience barriers to accessing our services") but neither is saying that the costs of these services necessitate fast tracking the patients who need them to the detriment of English speaking patients. Maybe other NHS facilities can handle the costs well enough that they don't need to worry about how long the interpreter-using patients have to wait. If you speak English you are in the back of the que. I have three in our household who work as nurses in the NHS and they all state the same story and one of them is from the Ukraine and she has learnt to speak English. |
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Post by Ripley on Sept 24, 2024 1:43:22 GMT
They're both saying they provide translation and interpretation services: ("We have a duty under the Equality Act 2010 to make reasonable adjustments for those with a disability, or who experience barriers to accessing our services") but neither is saying that the costs of these services necessitate fast tracking the patients who need them to the detriment of English speaking patients. Maybe other NHS facilities can handle the costs well enough that they don't need to worry about how long the interpreter-using patients have to wait. If you speak English you are in the back of the que. I have three in our household who work as nurses in the NHS and they all state the same story and one of them is from the Ukraine and she has learnt to speak English. Well, there's a very inexpensive solution. The Pocketalk Voice & Camera Real-Time Translator has 84+ Languages at a cost of £299 and a hospital need only have a few in circulation. One wonders why no-one has thought of it. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2024 1:46:59 GMT
If you speak English you are in the back of the que. I have three in our household who work as nurses in the NHS and they all state the same story and one of them is from the Ukraine and she has learnt to speak English. Well, there's a very inexpensive solution. The Pocketalk Voice & Camera Real-Time Translator has 84+ Languages at a cost of £299 and a hospital need only have a few in circulation. One wonders why no-one has thought of it. You don't expect the NHS management to use any common sence do you? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 24, 2024 4:04:23 GMT
LOL, you call it patient management? Hilarious. The vast majority of English people who have spent a life time paying into the system, call it being pushed to the back of the queue. Maybe they're just racists. Bad as it is, and I agree it shouldn't be happening at all, it isn't that widespread. Unless I'm mistaken, the article you cited says this is happening at 5 London hospitals run by Imperial College Healthcare, an NHS Trust. It does not say that this practice is occurring at all NHS hospitals. If it were, the article would presumably have made that clear. The fact that it's happening at all and you're defending it is bad enough. But without any evidence you claim it isn't widespread, incredible. The report I listened to on GB News said they had no information from other NHS Trusts, do you? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 24, 2024 8:55:49 GMT
According to a 2023 report by the Taxpayers Alliance, NHS Trusts spend £43 million on translation and interpreter services annually. Since less than two-thirds of the 240 Trusts responded to the FoI request, we can assume the actual total spend was rather larger. Of those trusts that did respond the average was £725,000.
If the real total for the full NHS is nearer £60 million, that would be enough to pay for an additional 1,500 nurses.
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Post by blueorange on Sept 24, 2024 11:27:02 GMT
Why NHS exists in the first place is unknown.
It is evident that the centrally planned system will not deliver, it fails from any measure you look at it.
Why is there no public discussion on creation of a different system which can work better for the patient and is not a black hole for the finances?
It is evident that any money given to NHS will disappear with no clear benefit.
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