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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 23, 2024 19:25:40 GMT
It's two tier everything if you're white English, and under this government it's going to get worse before it gets any better. NHS trusts spent at least £113,974,561 on interpreters during 2019-20 to 2021-22, an average of £725,953 per NHS trust that replied. £43,095,493 was spent on interpreters in 2019-20, the single largest year. This fell by 28 per cent to £31,050,708 in 2020-21 before rising by 28 per cent to £39,828,361 in 2021-22. Quite so. Interpreters cost an absolute fortune and who benefits from interpreters? People who have never paid one thin penny into the system, a system that English speaking old age pensioners have paid into for a lifetime, yet they are pushed to the back of the queue. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 23, 2024 19:28:00 GMT
Speaking English should be a prerequisite to be able to live in the UK permanently . Tolerating a significant number if non English speaking UK residents encourages and enables ethnic cultural ghettos . That’s not the multiculturalism we were promised . Absolutely 100% agree. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 23, 2024 19:29:35 GMT
Political correct ( PC) coppers ( plod) . Sorry.Ahh, yes I see. Actually that was very good. I was slow on the uptake there. |
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Post by Ripley on Sept 23, 2024 20:20:32 GMT
It's really a cost issue. The longer they keep these interpreters hanging about waiting, the more they are charged for their time. If the NHS could actually honour appointment times or stay within a reasonable, ie lower cost wait time, the problem wouldn't exist. But we all know how unlikely that is. The system needs a complete overhaul. Perhaps since they are in England the NHS should work only in English, if people do not understand the language bring their own interpreter, pay for the interpreter or not come here at all. These are the choices English people make in foreign lands. What of the patients who don't have the means to pay an interpreter? Should the government risk that they will forego medical treatment and then potentially spread communicable diseases to the public? I think there's an easier solution. Why does NHS pay interpreters when they could buy a few pocket translators for the temporary use of non English-speaking patients? As it is, under certain circumstances there is an immigration health surcharge, and visitors to the UK are charged at 150% of the NHS rates. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 23, 2024 20:36:37 GMT
What of the patients who don't have the means to pay an interpreter? Should the government risk that they will forego medical treatment and then potentially spread communicable diseases to the public? I think there's an easier solution. Why does NHS pay interpreters when they could buy a few pocket translators for the temporary use of non English-speaking patients? As it is, under certain circumstances there is an immigration health surcharge, and visitors to the UK are charged at 150% of the NHS rates. What of the English patients who have paid tax and national insurance for the past 50 years? Why are they forced to the back of the queue in favour of people who cant speak English have never paid one thin penny into the system and in the vast majority of cases should not be in this country. It's about time our elected representatives started putting English people first because I'm going to let you into the worst kept secret in the country, people are getting pissed of with being second class citizens in their own country. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 23, 2024 20:45:26 GMT
Here in France interpreters are non-existent in the medical sphere. If you don't speak the lingo then you'd better hope that the medical staff can speak yours otherwise you'll need to bring along your own or at least somebody else who does.
You certainly won't find an NHS-style interpreter service at any medical facility anywhere in the country.
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Post by Ripley on Sept 23, 2024 20:55:39 GMT
What of the patients who don't have the means to pay an interpreter? Should the government risk that they will forego medical treatment and then potentially spread communicable diseases to the public? I think there's an easier solution. Why does NHS pay interpreters when they could buy a few pocket translators for the temporary use of non English-speaking patients? As it is, under certain circumstances there is an immigration health surcharge, and visitors to the UK are charged at 150% of the NHS rates. What of the English patients who have paid tax and national insurance for the past 50 years? Why are they forced to the back of the queue in favour of people who cant speak English have never paid one thin penny into the system and in the vast majority of cases should not be in this country. It's about time our elected representatives started putting English people first because I'm going to let you into the worst kept secret in the country, people are getting pissed of with being second class citizens in their own country. You can't paint all the non English speakers with one brush and assume that none has ever contributed to the system. That's a very broad assumption. For one thing, there is an immigration health surcharge that new immigrants must pay to enter the system, and visiting tourists who fall ill and need medical care are charged at 150% of the NHS rates. And how could you possibly calculate which non English speakers have paid tax and national insurance, or not? A healthy population is in the best interests of society as a whole. You don't want communicable diseases running around untreated. If the NHS would simply buy a few pocket translators, there would be absolutely no need for anyone to be pushed to the back of the NHS queue. The non English speakers could wait their turn along with everyone else because their appointment would involve no human interpreter whose services are paid for by the hour. Nowadays these pocket translators are pretty good. I have one myself. It's a simple, inexpensive solution. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 23, 2024 21:23:37 GMT
You can't paint all the non English speakers with one brush and assume that none has ever contributed to the system. That's a very broad assumption. For one thing, there is an immigration health surcharge that new immigrants must pay to enter the system, and visiting tourists who fall ill and need medical care are charged at 150% of the NHS rates. And how could you possibly calculate which non English speakers have paid tax and national insurance, or not? A healthy population is in the best interests of society as a whole. You don't want communicable diseases running around untreated. If the NHS would simply buy a few pocket translators, there would be absolutely no need for anyone to be pushed to the back of the NHS queue. The non English speakers could wait their turn along with everyone else because their appointment would involve no human interpreter whose services are paid for by the hour. Nowadays these pocket translators are pretty good. I have one myself. It's a simple, inexpensive solution. Lets forget for a moment that net migration is running at 780,000 a year or the fact that since 2007 England has been the most densely populated country in Europe. Between 30,000 and 40,000 illegals enter this country every year, how many of them do you think... a) Speak English b) Are any benefit to this country c) Are a drain on resources d) Pay a health surcharge e) Are pushed to the front of the housing/NHS queue The reason social infrastructure cant cope is because too many people have access to it. The NHS is more than capable of funding the people who pay for it. The education system would be capable of lower than 30 pupil classes if it were not for mass immigration. We have enough houses in this country, the problem is not too few houses, the problem is too many people, especially people who should not be in this country. The UK population has gone up by 8 million in two decades, never in our history have we experienced population growth like this. The UK population is c67 million. When in your opinion will enough be enough? 80 million? 100 million? Give me a number... |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 23, 2024 21:28:02 GMT
Here in France interpreters are non-existent in the medical sphere. If you don't speak the lingo then you'd better hope that the medical staff can speak yours otherwise you'll need to bring along your own or at least somebody else who does.
You certainly won't find an NHS-style interpreter service at any medical facility anywhere in the country. Not the main reason but certainly one of the reasons my son speaks fluent French is because as you say, the French do not provide interpreters. Yet no one seems to be complaining to the ECtHR or the UN. |
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Post by Totheleft on Sept 23, 2024 21:39:10 GMT
what a load of cobblers pensioners get first class treatment many are brought in by Ambulance putting strain on that service .
then they are brought though by the Ambulance entrance not the main waiting area where you can wait upto 4 hrs plus .
they are not assessed by triage that done by the Ambulance personal then they are put in a cubical to wait for a doctor . then offered a bed if needed one or one free because there bed blocking .
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Post by Bentley on Sept 23, 2024 21:50:37 GMT
what a load of cobblers pensioners get first class treatment many are brought in by Ambulance putting strain on that service . then they are brought though by the Ambulance entrance not the main waiting area where you can wait upto 4 hrs plus . they are not assessed by triage that done by the Ambulance personal then they are put in a cubical to wait for a doctor . then offered a bed if needed one or one free because there bed blocking . They are brought in by ambulance for the same reasons as anyone else, because they are too infirm to get there any other way . They are not given preferential treatment in any meaningful way. If They are put into a cubical it’s because they have already been triaged or they are too infirm to sit in the waiting room. As for bed blocking . I’ve seen old people begging to go home from the hospital and being denied because the correct procedures and carers have not been put into place . |
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Post by Ripley on Sept 23, 2024 22:30:28 GMT
You can't paint all the non English speakers with one brush and assume that none has ever contributed to the system. That's a very broad assumption. For one thing, there is an immigration health surcharge that new immigrants must pay to enter the system, and visiting tourists who fall ill and need medical care are charged at 150% of the NHS rates. And how could you possibly calculate which non English speakers have paid tax and national insurance, or not? A healthy population is in the best interests of society as a whole. You don't want communicable diseases running around untreated. If the NHS would simply buy a few pocket translators, there would be absolutely no need for anyone to be pushed to the back of the NHS queue. The non English speakers could wait their turn along with everyone else because their appointment would involve no human interpreter whose services are paid for by the hour. Nowadays these pocket translators are pretty good. I have one myself. It's a simple, inexpensive solution. Lets forget for a moment that net migration is running at 780,000 a year or the fact that since 2007 England has been the most densely populated country in Europe. Between 30,000 and 40,000 illegals enter this country every year, how many of them do you think... a) Speak English b) Are any benefit to this country c) Are a drain on resources d) Pay a health surcharge e) Are pushed to the front of the housing/NHS queue The reason social infrastructure cant cope is because too many people have access to it. The NHS is more than capable of funding the people who pay for it. The education system would be capable of lower than 30 pupil classes if it were not for mass immigration. We have enough houses in this country, the problem is not too few houses, the problem is too many people, especially people who should not be in this country. The UK population has gone up by 8 million in two decades, never in our history have we experienced population growth like this. The UK population is c67 million. When in your opinion will enough be enough? 80 million? 100 million? Give me a number... Silly me, thinking that the topic was about NHS patient management, when what you really are steamed about is immigration. Of course I do see that all systems are strained, but wasn't Brexit supposed to solve that? Wasn't reclaiming sovereignty supposed to be the answer to immigration control? Why is the population not holding the government accountable for these unacceptable conditions? Why there has not been a revolution yet, I don't know. It's the government you should be mad at. They're the ones who are allowing all of this. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 23, 2024 22:43:33 GMT
Silly me, thinking that the topic was about NHS patient management, when what you really are steamed about is immigration. Of course I do see that all systems are strained, but wasn't Brexit supposed to solve that? Wasn't reclaiming sovereignty supposed to be the answer to immigration control? Why is the population not holding the government accountable for these unacceptable conditions? Why there has not been a revolution yet, I don't know. It's the government you should be mad at. They're the ones who are allowing all of this. Why you would think the thread is about NHS patient management is something of a mystery. Perhaps you missed the OP... Yes of course Brexit was 'supposed' to sort these things out, but with more than 70% of MP's and the entire left wing civil service being overtly pro EU, democracy never stood a chance. Regardless of the electorate, the establishment is firmly pro EU/pro immigration, which is great news for Farage and Reform UK. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 23, 2024 22:48:51 GMT
what a load of cobblers pensioners get first class treatment many are brought in by Ambulance putting strain on that service . then they are brought though by the Ambulance entrance not the main waiting area where you can wait upto 4 hrs plus . they are not assessed by triage that done by the Ambulance personal then they are put in a cubical to wait for a doctor . then offered a bed if needed one or one free because there bed blocking . I dread to ask, but did you notice the OP? The NHS have admitted that English speaking patients are pushed to the back of the queue. In other words, non English speaking immigrants come before English people who have spent a lifetime paying for the NHS. Yay democracy. |
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Post by Totheleft on Sept 23, 2024 23:04:56 GMT
what a load of cobblers pensioners get first class treatment many are brought in by Ambulance putting strain on that service . then they are brought though by the Ambulance entrance not the main waiting area where you can wait upto 4 hrs plus . they are not assessed by triage that done by the Ambulance personal then they are put in a cubical to wait for a doctor . then offered a bed if needed one or one free because there bed blocking . I dread to ask, but did you notice the OP? The NHS have admitted that English speaking patients are pushed to the back of the queue. In other words, non English speaking immigrants come before English people who have spent a lifetime paying for the NHS. Yay democracy. according to the DM lol |
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