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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 3, 2024 17:22:45 GMT
It's more about the natural evolution of language than a deterioration of standards. Think of how the language is evolving to express technology. Today we are using words that didn't exist before the internet, words like 'emoji' and 'wannabe' WiFi', 'photobomb' and 'podcast' and so on. Words like 'troll' and 'spam' and 'cougar' have taken on altogether different meanings, just as 'gay' did, which appeared in English in the 12th century from old French and began being associated with sex in the 14th century. Nowadays no-one uses the original meaning of 'gay'. It's appalling that the Met are hiring functionally illiterate recruits, but I don't see a connection between changes in the language and rates of illiteracy. The literacy rate in the UK is 99% in 2024. That is impressive. The natural evolution of language is one thing, new words are added all the time indeed having just had a brief 'shufty', I see this year no fewar than 700 words are to be added to the Oxford English Dictionary, and I suspect that Dr Johnson would approve of very few of them. It seems to me that many words, or so called words are in reality nothing more than slang, and are added to the dictionary by young lefties who think it's trendy. For example one of the words added this year is "boop", which is supposed to mean... a gentle touch on the nose or head as a joke or to indicate affection. Really? This is nothing more than trendy nonsense and would suggest whoever is responsible for deciding what words are added to the lexicon, may have too much time on his, or indeed her hands. As for functionally illiterate police, it is indeed appalling and a sign of the sad times we're in. The entire establishment are woke and very pro diversity which is a race to the bottom therefore standards will fall, indeed have fallen. Thanks to 'diversity equity and inclusion', falling standards were never in doubt. Innit... |
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Post by Ripley on Oct 3, 2024 17:48:13 GMT
It's more about the natural evolution of language than a deterioration of standards. Think of how the language is evolving to express technology. Today we are using words that didn't exist before the internet, words like 'emoji' and 'wannabe' WiFi', 'photobomb' and 'podcast' and so on. Words like 'troll' and 'spam' and 'cougar' have taken on altogether different meanings, just as 'gay' did, which appeared in English in the 12th century from old French and began being associated with sex in the 14th century. Nowadays no-one uses the original meaning of 'gay'. It's appalling that the Met are hiring functionally illiterate recruits, but I don't see a connection between changes in the language and rates of illiteracy. The literacy rate in the UK is 99% in 2024. That is impressive. The natural evolution of language is one thing, new words are added all the time indeed having just had a brief 'shufty', I see this year no fewar than 700 words are to be added to the Oxford English Dictionary, and I suspect that Dr Johnson would approve of very few of them. It seems to me that many words, or so called words are in reality nothing more than slang, and are added to the dictionary by young lefties who think it's trendy. For example one of the words added this year is "boop", which is supposed to mean... a gentle touch on the nose or head as a joke or to indicate affection. Really? This is nothing more than trendy nonsense and would suggest whoever is responsible for deciding what words are added to the lexicon, may have too much time on his, or indeed her hands. As for functionally illiterate police, it is indeed appalling and a sign of the sad times we're in. The entire establishment are woke and very pro diversity which is a race to the bottom therefore standards will fall, indeed have fallen. Thanks to 'diversity equity and inclusion', falling standards were never in doubt. Innit... You'll be relieved, then, that not all trendy words and expressions ever make it into the dictionary. Some die a natural death through waning popularity. The OED traditionally waits for about ten years' worth of evidence from mining electronic databases that the word has gained sufficient traction before adding it to the lexicon, but there are always exceptions. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 6, 2024 10:29:08 GMT
in what way am I confused benny? you seem to take things that are said to you , regarding your obvious confusion , and then simply throw them back without thinking about what you are saying. ive explained it to you . Scots is a germanic language introduced by the Norman French into scotland . Its a dialect of what we call Middle English , itself the language of the normans in your country ( half French part saxon part danish) that evolved separately roughly from 1200 to around 1603 , and in Scotland , includes a lot of flemish and German , as well of course as gaidhlig. Old Scots was quite different to English , modern Scots obviously has a lot of standard English influence over the last four hundred years , hence why much of the confusion and debate about it being a dialect or language in its own right. It is though of course a formally recognised language today. sure. its easily googled benny , and im sure even you can do that.
In the 2022 census, 1,508,540 people reported that they could speak Scots, with 2,444,659 reporting that they could speak, read, write or understand Scots.
www.gov.scot/policies/languages/scots/ ..none of this refutes my original post “The simple answer is that we are an island off the coast of Europe . There isnt a great need to know other European languages.”. Ive already refuted your point about English itself being a European language. so you do know a European language. You might not wish to know other European languages , but you speak one. ...and that island off the coast of Europe has never linguistically been isolated , its part of Europe , does not have a native homogenous language , and never has done , that is separate from Europe , and all languages past and present spoken here have been spoken elsewhere . |
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Post by om15 on Oct 6, 2024 10:36:55 GMT
I like to remember a quotation from DCI Gene Hunt, " I once punched a bloke for speaking French".
I was taught French at school, I tried hard to immediately forget all I learnt and when I travelled and worked in France refused to attempt to speak a word of their effeminate tongue. They soon understand English when they want your money.
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Post by thomas on Oct 6, 2024 10:38:26 GMT
I like to remember a quotation from DCI Gene Hunt, " I once punched a bloke for speaking French". I was taught French at school, I tried hard to immediately forget all I learnt and when I travelled and worked in France refused to attempt to speak a word of their effeminate tongue. They soon understand English when they want your money. half of the English language you speak is French. So what are you talking about ommy? Didnt they teach you about that wee French guy in 1066 conquering englandshire? |
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Post by thomas on Oct 6, 2024 10:40:04 GMT
I like to remember a quotation from DCI Gene Hunt, " I once punched a bloke for speaking French". I was taught French at school, I tried hard to immediately forget all I learnt and when I travelled and worked in France refused to attempt to speak a word of their effeminate tongue. They soon understand English when they want your money. even your parliament still uses it ........ Norman French is a language used in Parliament in some of the formal exchanges between the two Houses during a Bill's passage through Parliament. It is also used at Royal Assent. This is because these procedures have barely changed since they began, hundreds of years ago, at a time when Norman French was the official language of Government.
www.parliament.uk/site-information/glossary/norman-french/ |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 6, 2024 11:12:48 GMT
..none of this refutes my original post “The simple answer is that we are an island off the coast of Europe . There isnt a great need to know other European languages.”. Ive already refuted your point about English itself being a European language. so you do know a European language. You might not wish to know other European languages , but you speak one. ...and that island off the coast of Europe has never linguistically been isolated , its part of Europe , does not have a native homogenous language , and never has done , that is separate from Europe , and all languages past and present spoken here have been spoken elsewhere . You refuted nothing . English is a European language just as French and Spanish are . You diverted the thread to focus on a dialect that is indulged by a few Scots and offers little to anyone who could be bothered to learn it . You proved my point for me . An English person would gain nothing by learning French and never using it. A Scot would lose much by only learning the mangled dialect and not learning English . |
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Post by thomas on Oct 6, 2024 11:19:59 GMT
Ive already refuted your point about English itself being a European language. so you do know a European language. You might not wish to know other European languages , but you speak one. ...and that island off the coast of Europe has never linguistically been isolated , its part of Europe , does not have a native homogenous language , and never has done , that is separate from Europe , and all languages past and present spoken here have been spoken elsewhere . You refuted nothing . English is a European language just as French and Spanish are . You diverted the thread to focus on a dialect that is indulged by a few Scots and offers little to anyone who could be bothered to learn it . You proved my point for me . An English person would gain nothing by learning French and never using it. A Scot would lose much by only learning the mangled dialect and not learning English . Where have ai proved your point? if you recall , you asked for evidence of how many Scots claim to speak read or write Scots , and I simply provide you with the evidence that around 45% of us do. I agree? Who is arguing otherwise? Language revival is notoriously difficult in any country , as for example the Republic of Ireland shows , with their teaching of Gaelic in school as a second language with no practical use for the language. In effect they aren't serious about it. The welsh tend to take things far more serious. im actually a big supporter of gaidhlig rather than Scots , but neither language is taken seriously in scotland by any of the major parties , certainly not the snp . so at present , apart from a few roadsigns that upset happy jack , I dont think you have much to worry about. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 6, 2024 13:38:08 GMT
You refuted nothing . English is a European language just as French and Spanish are . You diverted the thread to focus on a dialect that is indulged by a few Scots and offers little to anyone who could be bothered to learn it . You proved my point for me . An English person would gain nothing by learning French and never using it. A Scot would lose much by only learning the mangled dialect and not learning English . Where have ai proved your point? if you recall , you asked for evidence of how many Scots claim to speak read or write Scots , and I simply provide you with the evidence that around 45% of us do. I agree? Who is arguing otherwise? Language revival is notoriously difficult in any country , as for example the Republic of Ireland shows , with their teaching of Gaelic in school as a second language with no practical use for the language. In effect they aren't serious about it. The welsh tend to take things far more serious. im actually a big supporter of gaidhlig rather than Scots , but neither language is taken seriously in scotland by any of the major parties , certainly not the snp . so at present , apart from a few roadsigns that upset happy jack , I dont think you have much to worry about. Ah I understand that yiou confused so I’ll repeat my original point that I have repeatedly several times ”none of this refutes my original post “The simple answer is that we are an island off the coast of Europe . There isnt a great need to know other European languages.”.”You proved my point by bringing up your Scot dialect that you pretend to be a language . There is no need to learn it in either England or Scotland , French would be a better example but you seem to be fixated on it . You provided very little . We can’t tell exactly how much the Scot’s know or care about it. Just that some can read , write and speak some of it . What we do know is that there is very little to be gained by knowing the dialect and very much to by lost by not knowing English ..which once again proves my point . I have very little to worry about. Your mangled dialect is irrelevant and English is relevant. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 6, 2024 14:18:08 GMT
Where have ai proved your point? if you recall , you asked for evidence of how many Scots claim to speak read or write Scots , and I simply provide you with the evidence that around 45% of us do. I agree? Who is arguing otherwise? Language revival is notoriously difficult in any country , as for example the Republic of Ireland shows , with their teaching of Gaelic in school as a second language with no practical use for the language. In effect they aren't serious about it. The welsh tend to take things far more serious. im actually a big supporter of gaidhlig rather than Scots , but neither language is taken seriously in scotland by any of the major parties , certainly not the snp . so at present , apart from a few roadsigns that upset happy jack , I dont think you have much to worry about. Ah I understand that yiou confused so I’ll repeat my original point that I have repeatedly several times ”none of this refutes my original post “The simple answer is that we are an island off the coast of Europe . There isnt a great need to know other European languages.”.”You proved my point by bringing up your Scot dialect that you pretend to be a language . There is no need to learn it in either England or Scotland , French would be a better example but you seem to be fixated on it . You provided very little . We can’t tell exactly how much the Scot’s know or care about it. Just that some can read , write and speak some of it . What we do know is that there is very little to be gained by knowing the dialect and very much to by lost by not knowing English ..which once again proves my point . I have very little to worry about. Your mangled dialect is irrelevant and English is relevant. poor auld benny and his latest game of last wordism . You wee confused about the different Scots languages , Celtic and germanic , I helpfully pointed out the difference , and showed you what percentage of Scots speak the germanic Scots dialect , whilst pointing out your own language is European. I cant say fairer than that can I benny? I mean what other platform can you come on , on a daily basis and be educated for free? each to their own benny. Some people are into language , others into talking snakes. Im glad you aren't worried though. it is. The American type especially . As Ripley said elsewhere , languages come and go , and many have their time at the top of the tree before falling from grace. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 6, 2024 14:36:02 GMT
Ah I understand that yiou confused so I’ll repeat my original point that I have repeatedly several times ”none of this refutes my original post “The simple answer is that we are an island off the coast of Europe . There isnt a great need to know other European languages.”.”You proved my point by bringing up your Scot dialect that you pretend to be a language . There is no need to learn it in either England or Scotland , French would be a better example but you seem to be fixated on it . You provided very little . We can’t tell exactly how much the Scot’s know or care about it. Just that some can read , write and speak some of it . What we do know is that there is very little to be gained by knowing the dialect and very much to by lost by not knowing English ..which once again proves my point . I have very little to worry about. Your mangled dialect is irrelevant and English is relevant. poor auld benny and his latest game of last wordism . You wee confused about the different Scots languages , Celtic and germanic , I helpfully pointed out the difference , and showed you what percentage of Scots speak the germanic Scots dialect , whilst pointing out your own language is European. I cant say fairer than that can I benny? I mean what other platform can you come on , on a daily basis and be educated for free? each to their own benny. Some people are into language , others into talking snakes. Im glad you aren't worried though. it is. The American type especially . As Ripley said elsewhere , languages come and go , and many have their time at the top of the tree before falling from grace. I’m not confused Tammy . You are confusing a word mangling dialect with a language . Whatever you want it to be there is no doubt that it is irrelevant. There is no advantage to learning it except for indulgence and itproves the point that I keep posting and you keep avoiding . Im sorry to hear that you are into talking snakes ..or was you just being a little McBitch and diverting the thread again? I’m glad you admit that English is relevant and that it is a European language . |
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Post by thomas on Oct 6, 2024 14:39:54 GMT
poor auld benny and his latest game of last wordism . You wee confused about the different Scots languages , Celtic and germanic , I helpfully pointed out the difference , and showed you what percentage of Scots speak the germanic Scots dialect , whilst pointing out your own language is European. I cant say fairer than that can I benny? I mean what other platform can you come on , on a daily basis and be educated for free? each to their own benny. Some people are into language , others into talking snakes. Im glad you aren't worried though. it is. The American type especially . As Ripley said elsewhere , languages come and go , and many have their time at the top of the tree before falling from grace. I’m not confused Tammy . You are confusing a word mangling dialect with a language . . I will help you once again benny. Today, the UK government accepts Scots as a regional language and recognised it under the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 6, 2024 14:48:43 GMT
I’m not confused Tammy . You are confusing a word mangling dialect with a language . . I will help you once again benny. Today, the UK government accepts Scots as a regional language and recognised it under the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages.Oh I’m sure the UK government are agreed that it’s better to indulge the Sweaties than to deprive them of their delusion However that does nothing to refute my original point and nothing to refute the fact the the word mangling dialect ( sorry language lol) is irrelevant to anyone but a few indulgent Scots . |
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Post by thomas on Oct 6, 2024 14:50:33 GMT
I will help you once again benny. Today, the UK government accepts Scots as a regional language and recognised it under the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages.Oh I’m sure the UK government are agreed that it’s better to indulge the Sweaties than to deprive them of their delusion However that does nothing to refute my original point and nothing to refute the fact the the word mangling dialect ( sorry language lol) is irrelevant to anyone but a few indulgent Scots . how many more climbdowns are you going to make in this thread benny?  if the uk government and others accept Scots as a language , rather than a mangling dialect , who am I to argue? |
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Post by thomas on Oct 6, 2024 14:53:26 GMT
I will help you once again benny. Today, the UK government accepts Scots as a regional language and recognised it under the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages.Oh I’m sure the UK government are agreed that it’s better to indulge the Sweaties than to deprive them of their delusion However that does nothing to refute my original point and nothing to refute the fact the the word mangling dialect ( sorry language lol) is irrelevant to anyone but a few indulgent Scots . council of Europe too benny..
Since around the turn of the 21st century, Scots has enjoyed somewhat of a revival. Scots has been recognised by the Council of Europe’s Charter on Regional and Minority Languages since 2001.
www.wildernessscotland.com/blog/scots-language/ |
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if the uk government and others accept Scots as a language , rather than a mangling dialect , who am I to argue?