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Post by thomas on Oct 2, 2024 7:50:28 GMT
american English ,not british English for obvious reasons. As long as the yanks keep English as their language , and dont become hispanic speaking , then English for the foreseeable future will remain as the world foremost business and scientific language , but as American English continues to diverge , in pronunciation and spelling im sure its going to cause a lot of upset with the purists back in Blighty.
I doubt that - as the decades have gone by the UK has moved ever closer to US culture. You would struggle to find many people these days worried about the intricacies of American English vs British English. That process is not going to be reversed. so we are all going to call a nappy a diaper or the bins the trash? You could be right , we may very well all be speaking American. As I said , I think its going to cause a lot of upset among the grammar nazis and purists of the kings English. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 2, 2024 7:53:25 GMT
I doubt that - as the decades have gone by the UK has moved ever closer to US culture. You would struggle to find many people these days worried about the intricacies of American English vs British English. That process is not going to be reversed. so we are all going to call a nappy a diaper or the bins the trash? You could be right , we may very well all be speaking American. As I said , I think its going to cause a lot of upset among the grammar nazis and purists of the kings English. I always say 'trash' - there are very few English purists left, BBC English died out about 4 decades ago. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 2, 2024 7:57:42 GMT
so we are all going to call a nappy a diaper or the bins the trash? You could be right , we may very well all be speaking American. As I said , I think its going to cause a lot of upset among the grammar nazis and purists of the kings English. I always say 'trash' - there are very few English purists left, BBC English died out about 4 decades ago. I say bins , or "middens" . Perhaps then we should start formally teaching American English across uk schools , just to rubber stamp the process you say is already happening. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 2, 2024 8:30:04 GMT
Anti English racism needs stamping out.
Abolish devolution, improve education.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 2, 2024 8:56:27 GMT
It’s you that’s confused and terribly annoyed by thr look of it . After all you seemed to be so triggered that you missed this question . If you have evidence that there is a high uptake of Scots learning or have learned the native Scot language then post it .
Or did you ?😁 its roughly about 45 % of Scotlands population that can read write or speak Scots .(2022 figures) Dont worry benny I do understand the confusion regarding Celtic and germanic Scots . You seem confused tbh it looks like a pidgin english . No better than Geordie or Liverpool dialect . Don’t get upset . I am a speaker of Cockney rhyming slang ..Cockynese 😁 Still send me a link proving 45% of Scot’s can be bothered to be ‘ fluent ‘ in this ..not just sing Auld Lang Syne on New Year’s Eve. Note ..none of this refutes my original post “The simple answer is that we are an island off the coast of Europe . There isnt a great need to know other European languages.”. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 2, 2024 10:36:24 GMT
I always say 'trash' - there are very few English purists left, BBC English died out about 4 decades ago. I say bins , or "middens" . Perhaps then we should start formally teaching American English across uk schools , just to rubber stamp the process you say is already happening. I'd like the schools to teach any English - the vocabulary of Gen Z leaves something to be desired. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 3, 2024 8:14:51 GMT
its roughly about 45 % of Scotlands population that can read write or speak Scots .(2022 figures) Dont worry benny I do understand the confusion regarding Celtic and germanic Scots . You seem confused tbh it looks like a pidgin english . No better than Geordie or Liverpool dialect . Don’t get upset . I am a speaker of Cockney rhyming slang ..Cockynese 😁 Still send me a link proving 45% of Scot’s can be bothered to be ‘ fluent ‘ in this ..not just sing Auld Lang Syne on New Year’s Eve. Note ..none of this refutes my original post “The simple answer is that we are an island off the coast of Europe . There isnt a great need to know other European languages.”. in what way am I confused benny? you seem to take things that are said to you , regarding your obvious confusion , and then simply throw them back without thinking about what you are saying. ive explained it to you . Scots is a germanic language introduced by the Norman French into scotland . Its a dialect of what we call Middle English , itself the language of the normans in your country ( half French part saxon part danish) that evolved separately roughly from 1200 to around 1603 , and in Scotland , includes a lot of flemish and German , as well of course as gaidhlig. Old Scots was quite different to English , modern Scots obviously has a lot of standard English influence over the last four hundred years , hence why much of the confusion and debate about it being a dialect or language in its own right. It is though of course a formally recognised language today. sure. its easily googled benny , and im sure even you can do that.
In the 2022 census, 1,508,540 people reported that they could speak Scots, with 2,444,659 reporting that they could speak, read, write or understand Scots.
www.gov.scot/policies/languages/scots/ |
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Post by thomas on Oct 3, 2024 8:20:56 GMT
I say bins , or "middens" . Perhaps then we should start formally teaching American English across uk schools , just to rubber stamp the process you say is already happening. I'd like the schools to teach any English - the vocabulary of Gen Z leaves something to be desired. its the evolution of the language im afraid pacifico. The native English were saying the same thing hundreds of years ago , when John of trevisa , himself a native Cornish Celtic speaker , spoke out in defence of the native English language regarding how many of us ( Cornish and English ) can speak the old English , but none of us know this new English ( the half French language of the nobility and upper classes) . There appears to be this weird belief that English somehow must stay static and never change in spelling meaning and pronunciation. That has never been the case ,and going forward , won't be either. You are constantly borrowing the language of immigrants into modern English , which changes it , and in places like America , already the spelling and pronunciation as we have discussed is very different at times. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 3, 2024 11:56:25 GMT
You seem confused tbh it looks like a pidgin english . No better than Geordie or Liverpool dialect . Don’t get upset . I am a speaker of Cockney rhyming slang ..Cockynese 😁 Still send me a link proving 45% of Scot’s can be bothered to be ‘ fluent ‘ in this ..not just sing Auld Lang Syne on New Year’s Eve. Note ..none of this refutes my original post “The simple answer is that we are an island off the coast of Europe . There isnt a great need to know other European languages.”. in what way am I confused benny? you seem to take things that are said to you , regarding your obvious confusion , and then simply throw them back without thinking about what you are saying. ive explained it to you . Scots is a germanic language introduced by the Norman French into scotland . Its a dialect of what we call Middle English , itself the language of the normans in your country ( half French part saxon part danish) that evolved separately roughly from 1200 to around 1603 , and in Scotland , includes a lot of flemish and German , as well of course as gaidhlig. Old Scots was quite different to English , modern Scots obviously has a lot of standard English influence over the last four hundred years , hence why much of the confusion and debate about it being a dialect or language in its own right. It is though of course a formally recognised language today. sure. its easily googled benny , and im sure even you can do that.
In the 2022 census, 1,508,540 people reported that they could speak Scots, with 2,444,659 reporting that they could speak, read, write or understand Scots.
www.gov.scot/policies/languages/scots/I think you are confusing my point about mainland European languages with an irrelevant dialect that no one gives a fuck about except a few mad Sweaties. It’s no more of language that if a few English nutters started to speak the language of Chaucer and pretended it was the true’ English ‘Lol. Sorry to upset you tammy. And even if I concede that this word mangling is a real language ( lol) .. no one but a few sweaties could give a fuck about it so…. ..none of this refutes my original post “The simple answer is that we are an island off the coast of Europe . There isnt a great need to know other European languages.”. |
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Post by Ripley on Oct 3, 2024 15:15:25 GMT
I say bins , or "middens" . Perhaps then we should start formally teaching American English across uk schools , just to rubber stamp the process you say is already happening. I'd like the schools to teach any English - the vocabulary of Gen Z leaves something to be desired. Language is dynamic. It necessarily changes over time. Think about how the meaning of 'gay' has changed over time. Think of words like 'catfish,' 'cloud,' 'footprint', 'tablet' and many other words will come to mind that have taken on completely different meanings. Think about how we now use nouns as verbs, jarring as that may sound to older ears. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 3, 2024 15:36:52 GMT
I'd like the schools to teach any English - the vocabulary of Gen Z leaves something to be desired. Language is dynamic. It necessarily changes over time. Think about how the meaning of 'gay' has changed over time. Think of words like 'catfish,' 'cloud,' 'footprint', 'tablet' and many other words will come to mind that have taken on completely different meanings. Think about how we now use nouns as verbs, jarring as that may sound to older ears. I agree, it's hardly a secret that in recent years standards have deteriorated. Poor written and spoken English is not only acceptable but as far as I can tell it's positively encouraged. As a direct result of diversity quotas ten percent of Met police are described at 'functionally illiterate'. This trendy lowering of standards is obviously reflected across the country, why wouldn't it be?.. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 3, 2024 15:47:24 GMT
Language is dynamic. It necessarily changes over time. Think about how the meaning of 'gay' has changed over time. Think of words like 'catfish,' 'cloud,' 'footprint', 'tablet' and many other words will come to mind that have taken on completely different meanings. Think about how we now use nouns as verbs, jarring as that may sound to older ears. . Poor written and spoken English is not only acceptable but as far as I can tell it's positively encouraged. As a direct result of diversity quotas ten percent of Met police are described at 'functionally illiterate'. This trendy lowering of standards is obviously reflected across the country, why wouldn't it be?.. Most of kids now use txt speech....They are glued to their phones even when at school... |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 3, 2024 15:52:26 GMT
I agree, it's hardly a secret that in recent years standards have deteriorated. Poor written and spoken English is not only acceptable but as far as I can tell it's positively encouraged. As a direct result of diversity quotas ten percent of Met police are described at 'functionally illiterate'. This trendy lowering of standards is obviously reflected across the country, why wouldn't it be?.. Most of kids now use txt speech....They are glued to their phones even when at school... Yes indeed I've seen one or two examples of that, m8 instead of mate, for instance. It's another language. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 3, 2024 16:00:58 GMT
We know language can be very powerful and persuasive.
We’ve seen a lefties use a ‘ compelling’ argument for men to be defined as women by using linguistic theory .
However languages can only be persuasive if the other side know what you are on about .
So if language degrades it affects the ability to articulate ….and if languages are esoteric they only have value to the few that know them .
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Post by Ripley on Oct 3, 2024 16:23:25 GMT
Language is dynamic. It necessarily changes over time. Think about how the meaning of 'gay' has changed over time. Think of words like 'catfish,' 'cloud,' 'footprint', 'tablet' and many other words will come to mind that have taken on completely different meanings. Think about how we now use nouns as verbs, jarring as that may sound to older ears. I agree, it's hardly a secret that in recent years standards have deteriorated. Poor written and spoken English is not only acceptable but as far as I can tell it's positively encouraged. As a direct result of diversity quotas ten percent of Met police are described at 'functionally illiterate'. This trendy lowering of standards is obviously reflected across the country, why wouldn't it be?.. It's more about the natural evolution of language than a deterioration of standards. Think of how the language is evolving to express technology. Today we are using words that didn't exist before the internet, words like 'emoji' and 'wannabe' WiFi', 'photobomb' and 'podcast' and so on. Words like 'troll' and 'spam' and 'cougar' have taken on altogether different meanings, just as 'gay' did, which appeared in English in the 12th century from old French and began being associated with sex in the 14th century. Nowadays no-one uses the original meaning of 'gay'. It's appalling that the Met are hiring functionally illiterate recruits, but I don't see a connection between changes in the language and rates of illiteracy. The literacy rate in the UK is 99% in 2024. That is impressive. |
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