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Post by Bentley on Oct 1, 2024 16:54:59 GMT
If you say so but that doesn’t refute the fact that there is no need to speak anything other than English in the UK ..which explains why few Brits speak other languages . As for the native Scot language.. ”Nevertheless, there is a language revival, and the number of speakers of the language under age 20 did not decrease between the 2001 and 2011 censuses.[7] In the 2022 census of Scotland, it was found that 2.5% of the Scottish population had some skills in Gaelic,[8] or 130,161 persons. Of these, 69,701 people reported speaking the language, with a further 46,404 people reporting that they understood the language, but did not speak, read, or write in it.[9]” Wiki. Looks like you need to own a bike to find another Scot that speaks the true Scot’s language if you bothered to learn it . Not many have apparently. I think you are getting rather confused bentley. You are talking about gaidhlig Scots , and im talking about germanic Scots , which the majority speak in scotland. Happy to help. you made this up didnt you benny. I havent once said you need to speak other languages in the uk , I suggested you should speak the native languages , and that it is advisory to speak other European languages as well as the English European languages. Ripley made that point too. does it? how so? It’s you that’s confused Timmy . I’m merely posting from wiki . If you have evidence that there is a high uptake of Scots learning or have learned the native Scot language then post it . There is nothing to stop anyone in the UK from learning and speaking any language . They tend not to because there is nothing need.If they did need to they would . That was my point which seemed to upset you .
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Post by thomas on Oct 1, 2024 17:00:48 GMT
I think you are getting rather confused bentley. You are talking about gaidhlig Scots , and im talking about germanic Scots , which the majority speak in scotland. Happy to help. you made this up didnt you benny. I havent once said you need to speak other languages in the uk , I suggested you should speak the native languages , and that it is advisory to speak other European languages as well as the English European languages. Ripley made that point too. does it? how so? It’s you that’s confused Timmy . I’m merely posting from wiki . If you have evidence that there is a high uptake of Scots learning or have learned the native Scot language then post it . There is nothing to stop anyone in the UK from learning and speaking any language . They tend not to because there is nothing need.If they did need to they would . That was my point which seemed to upset you . do you see the bit in your wiki quote where is specifically mentions Gaelic , with the number 8 next to it benny.? I explained earlier to you , about germanic and Celtic Scots. you seem confused , and annoyed. Take a deep breath , and read what is being written in European English , rather than what you think is being written.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 1, 2024 18:05:36 GMT
It’s you that’s confused Timmy . I’m merely posting from wiki . If you have evidence that there is a high uptake of Scots learning or have learned the native Scot language then post it . There is nothing to stop anyone in the UK from learning and speaking any language . They tend not to because there is nothing need.If they did need to they would . That was my point which seemed to upset you . do you see the bit in your wiki quote where is specifically mentions Gaelic , with the number 8 next to it benny.? I explained earlier to you , about germanic and Celtic Scots. you seem confused , and annoyed. Take a deep breath , and read what is being written in European English , rather than what you think is being written. It’s you that’s confused and terribly annoyed by thr look of it . After all you seemed to be so triggered that you missed this question . If you have evidence that there is a high uptake of Scots learning or have learned the native Scot language then post it .
Or did you ?😁
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Post by Ripley on Oct 1, 2024 18:08:41 GMT
I always thought that Europe's conglomeration of small countries was the reason that people needed to acquire one another's languages for the purpose of trading. Over time, English has become dominant, but that is no reason to believe it will be permanent. It can go the way of Latin. It may but that’s not my point and you know it . My point is that there no compelling reading to speak mainland Europe languages in the UK because there is no need to.In parts of Europe there is a need to and there are historical reasons that it happens . For instance the UK was successfully invaded by ether Germany or France then there would be far more French and or German speakers in the UK. Re the Norman invasion of England .. But disregarding that , if there was a need to speak European languages in the UK then more UK people would speak them . There is no need to, today. There may well be a need to in the future as Spanish could become a global lingua franca if Chinese doesn't get there first. The point is not to rest on your laurels and assume that the dominance of English will be permanent. It won't. It's only a question of time.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 1, 2024 18:21:23 GMT
It may but that’s not my point and you know it . My point is that there no compelling reading to speak mainland Europe languages in the UK because there is no need to.In parts of Europe there is a need to and there are historical reasons that it happens . For instance the UK was successfully invaded by ether Germany or France then there would be far more French and or German speakers in the UK. Re the Norman invasion of England .. But disregarding that , if there was a need to speak European languages in the UK then more UK people would speak them . There is no need to, today. There may well be a need to in the future as Spanish could become a global lingua franca if Chinese doesn't get there first. The point is not to rest on your laurels and assume that the dominance of English will be permanent. It won't. It's only a question of time. Thars why I used the words ‘ is ‘ and not ‘ will be’. Chinese and Spanish May well be what you say but that’s not a compelling reason for a panel beater in Nottingham to learn French whereas a French person living near Italy would have more compelling reason to learn Italian….and as the present lingua Franca is English it makes sense that so many mainland Europeans learn English.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2024 18:25:59 GMT
I see hypocrisy from one or two of the less thoughtful usual suspects, criticising foreigners for failing to learn English whilst defending the right of the English not to learn their languages because all the foreigners supposedly speak English already. You don't have to be a genius at logic to see the holes in that one, lol
And Thomas is right about the English or Anglo-Saxons who came from Europe and displaced the original British inhabitants from most of present day England. Though the evidence suggests they did not drive most of them out let alone wipe them out. They just supplanted the ruling elite and became the ruling elites themselves, with most of the British occupying positions lower down the scale, many of them as serfs or slaves. Further invasions occurred by Scandinavian peoples and then the Normans. The Normans ultimately supplanted the Anglo-Saxons as the new ruling class. From amongst this ethnic and linguistic hodgepodge the English and the English language came into existence. But the Celtic language speakers of Wales and for a long time Cornwall were the original Britons, their languages the original British languages.
All those proud to call themselves English are in fact the descendants of immigrants.
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Post by Ripley on Oct 1, 2024 18:29:46 GMT
There is no need to, today. There may well be a need to in the future as Spanish could become a global lingua franca if Chinese doesn't get there first. The point is not to rest on your laurels and assume that the dominance of English will be permanent. It won't. It's only a question of time. Thars why I used the words ‘ is ‘ and not ‘ will be’. Chinese and Spanish May well be what you say but that’s not a compelling reason for a panel beater in Nottingham to learn French whereas a French person living near Italy would have more compelling reason to learn Italian….and as the present lingua Franca is English it makes sense that so many mainland Europeans learn English. Though there is no compelling need for English speakers to learn a foreign language today, why not arm yourself anyway rather than disadvantage yourself if and when the need arises to do business or any other transaction with foreign entities? I think it's short sighted not to. I also think it expands your world view to learn other languages. I have friendships I value that I could not have made any other way. Language is really a valuable currency.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 1, 2024 18:35:36 GMT
I see hypocrisy from one or two of the less thoughtful usual suspects, criticising foreigners for failing to learn English whilst defending the right of the English not to learn their languages because all the foreigners supposedly speak English already. You don't have to be a genius at logic to see the holes in that one, lol And Thomas is right about the English or Anglo-Saxons who came from Europe and displaced the original British inhabitants from most of present day England. Though the evidence suggests they did not drive most of them out let alone wipe them out. They just supplanted the ruling elite and became the ruling elites themselves, with most of the British occupying positions lower down the scale, many of them as serfs or slaves. Further invasions occurred by Scandinavian peoples and then the Normans. The Normans ultimately supplanted the Anglo-Saxons as the new ruling class. From amongst this ethnic and linguistic hodgepodge the English and the English language came into existence. But the Celtic language speakers of Wales and for a long time Cornwall were the original Britons, their languages the original British languages. All those proud to call themselves English are in fact the descendants of immigrants.Who knew eh?^ I would criticise any foreigner living in a foreign country for not speaking English and afaik no one has . I would criticise any Brit working or claiming foreign benefits in a foreign country and expecting the natives to speak English . Just as I would criticise a non English speaking foreigner working and or claiming benefits in the UK and making no effort to learn English . I can’t see this being controversial outside of the mindset of very excitable lefties tbh.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 1, 2024 18:40:44 GMT
Thars why I used the words ‘ is ‘ and not ‘ will be’. Chinese and Spanish May well be what you say but that’s not a compelling reason for a panel beater in Nottingham to learn French whereas a French person living near Italy would have more compelling reason to learn Italian….and as the present lingua Franca is English it makes sense that so many mainland Europeans learn English. Though there is no compelling need for English speakers to learn a foreign language today, why not arm yourself anyway rather than disadvantage yourself if and when the need arises to do business or any other transaction with foreign entities? I think it's short sighted not to. I also think it expands your world view to learn other languages. I have friendships I value that I could not have made any other way. Language is really a valuable currency. So is that a compelling reason for a panel beater in Nottingham to learn French or learn Italian or learn German or all three ? How would a panel beater profit practically from learning German , Russian, Greek maybe ? However a French person living say 30 miles from the German border might well benefit just as a German living 30 miles away from France .
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Post by Ripley on Oct 1, 2024 19:08:42 GMT
Though there is no compelling need for English speakers to learn a foreign language today, why not arm yourself anyway rather than disadvantage yourself if and when the need arises to do business or any other transaction with foreign entities? I think it's short sighted not to. I also think it expands your world view to learn other languages. I have friendships I value that I could not have made any other way. Language is really a valuable currency. So is that a compelling reason for a panel beater in Nottingham to learn French or learn Italian or learn German or all three ? How would a panel beater profit practically from learning German , Russian, Greek maybe ? However a French person living say 30 miles from the German border might well benefit just as a German living 30 miles away from France . I have already conceded that there is no compelling reason now, though one will doubtless arise in time, though probably not in our lifetimes. However, anyone, no matter what his occupation, can always benefit from learning a new language if for no other reason than that it keeps the aging brain active and can lead to interesting insights and experiences. So, although it is not now a necessity, I think it's wise to acquire this very useful skill.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 1, 2024 19:16:24 GMT
So is that a compelling reason for a panel beater in Nottingham to learn French or learn Italian or learn German or all three ? How would a panel beater profit practically from learning German , Russian, Greek maybe ? However a French person living say 30 miles from the German border might well benefit just as a German living 30 miles away from France . I have already conceded that there is no compelling reason now, though one will doubtless arise in time, though probably not in our lifetimes. However, anyone, no matter what his occupation, can always benefit from learning a new language if for no other reason than that it keeps the aging brain active and can lead to interesting insights and experiences. How would the aforesaid panel beater in Nottingham benefit learning Serbian Croat , Greek or Lithuanian over any other subject that he will probably never use ?
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Post by Ripley on Oct 1, 2024 19:44:44 GMT
I have already conceded that there is no compelling reason now, though one will doubtless arise in time, though probably not in our lifetimes. However, anyone, no matter what his occupation, can always benefit from learning a new language if for no other reason than that it keeps the aging brain active and can lead to interesting insights and experiences. How would the aforesaid panel beater in Nottingham benefit learning Serbian Croat , Greek or Lithuanian over any other subject that he will probably never use ? Different languages appeal to different people in different circumstances. Maybe your Nottingham panel beater meets a girl and wants to communicate better with her and her family. Foreign language is beneficial in social circumstances, business transactions and in personal ways too. It's one of the ways that doctors suggest keeping your memory and brain alive as they age. I have a lot of Greek friends, all of whom speak English, but that does not diminish my interest in Greek language, history and culture. If it's not your thing, it's not your thing.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 1, 2024 19:54:47 GMT
How would the aforesaid panel beater in Nottingham benefit learning Serbian Croat , Greek or Lithuanian over any other subject that he will probably never use ? Different languages appeal to different people in different circumstances. Maybe your Nottingham panel beater meets a girl and wants to communicate better with her and her family. Foreign language is beneficial in social circumstances, business transactions and in personal ways too. It's one of the ways that doctors suggest keeping your memory and brain alive as they age. I have a lot of Greek friends, all of whom speak English, but that does not diminish my interest in Greek language, history and culture. If it's not your thing, it's not your thing. Indeed. So if you are going to learn a new skill better to learn one that you will use . The French person living near the German border might find learning German a better option than learning Afrikaans whereas the panel beater from Nottingham who rarely interacts with foreigners probably wouldn’t gain from learning a mainland European language.
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Post by Ripley on Oct 1, 2024 20:15:24 GMT
Different languages appeal to different people in different circumstances. Maybe your Nottingham panel beater meets a girl and wants to communicate better with her and her family. Foreign language is beneficial in social circumstances, business transactions and in personal ways too. It's one of the ways that doctors suggest keeping your memory and brain alive as they age. I have a lot of Greek friends, all of whom speak English, but that does not diminish my interest in Greek language, history and culture. If it's not your thing, it's not your thing. Indeed. So if you are going to learn a new skill better to learn one that you will use . The French person living near the German border might find learning German a better option than learning Afrikaans whereas the panel beater from Nottingham who rarely interacts with foreigners probably wouldn’t gain from learning a mainland European language. You never know when a foreign language might come in handy. For instance, Afrikaans is a simple, easy to learn minority language spoken in South Africa and Namibia, but since it is derived from old Dutch, it is intelligible to Dutch speakers too. I would say that foreign language skills are never wasted, but the lack of foreign language can be a drawback in some circumstances.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 1, 2024 20:22:49 GMT
Indeed. So if you are going to learn a new skill better to learn one that you will use . The French person living near the German border might find learning German a better option than learning Afrikaans whereas the panel beater from Nottingham who rarely interacts with foreigners probably wouldn’t gain from learning a mainland European language. You never know when a foreign language might come in handy. For instance, Afrikaans is a simple, easy to learn minority language spoken in South Africa and Namibia, but since it is derived from old Dutch, it is intelligible to Dutch speakers too. I would say that foreign language skills are never wasted, but the lack of foreign language can be a drawback in some circumstances. Learning a new language is pointless if you don’t need it . Better to learn something that you will use . Your post pretty much confirms my point.
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