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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 23, 2024 6:38:36 GMT
BEVs are the biggest con that our politicians have ever swallowed. They're not only completely impractical - they're also less green than a decent petrol car.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 23, 2024 7:07:38 GMT
Sales are booming in China because the government prevents you buying anything else - sales are only kept afloat in the rest of the world by subsidies from the state. Obviously it has nothing at all to do with EVs becoming better value for money. If EV's were better value for money then there would be no need for restrictions on the sales of ICE cars or the cost of EV's to be subsidised. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 23, 2024 7:30:19 GMT
The trick to good governance is to identify the organic changes that need to be forced
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 23, 2024 7:54:21 GMT
Obviously it has nothing at all to do with EVs becoming better value for money. They are not better value FFS...And neither are they green. Longer range, cheaper, some fly... these all add to the value for money. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 23, 2024 8:04:58 GMT
Obviously it has nothing at all to do with EVs becoming better value for money. If EV's were better value for money then there would be no need for restrictions on the sales of ICE cars or the cost of EV's to be subsidised. There isn't a need. It's just so the bastards we elect can look all angelic when boasting at the latest G7.
The problem is not the tech. The tech is getting better very fast. It's the Brits whoo are incredibly stupid and can't do anything right. I mean it has got to the point now where I live that they can't even deliver a parcel. They can't read road names and they can't read a simple sign in English. EVs are too much for them. They would be more suited to horse and cart.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2024 8:06:40 GMT
They are not better value FFS...And neither are they green. Longer range, cheaper, some fly... these all add to the value for money. They are NOT value for money and in no way are they any greener than ICE.. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 23, 2024 8:09:26 GMT
Longer range, cheaper, some fly... these all add to the value for money. They are NOT value for money and in no way are they any greener than ICE.. To0 many middlemen taking a huge profit in the UK for anything to be cheap. My point is they are cheap at the factory gate. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2024 8:11:27 GMT
They are NOT value for money and in no way are they any greener than ICE.. To0 many middlemen taking a huge profit in the UK for anything to be cheap. My point is they are cheap at the factory gate. So why are they subsidiced then BVL... |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2024 8:21:06 GMT
China’s EV Makers Got $231 Billion Aid Over 15 Years, Study Says New findings based on analysis on five main areas of support Per-car subsidy falls significantly as production volumes rise....
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 23, 2024 8:24:17 GMT
To0 many middlemen taking a huge profit in the UK for anything to be cheap. My point is they are cheap at the factory gate. So why are they subsidiced then BVL... Who is subsidising them? |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2024 8:29:36 GMT
So why are they subsidiced then BVL... Who is subsidising them? The Chinese government Baron and how about the subsides paid by the government of the UK and the rest of Europe? And your beloved China gave their EV producers $231 Billion over 15 years hardly pocket money is it Baron. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 23, 2024 8:32:28 GMT
Do a little thought experiment. Work out how much it would cost to build a petrol engine. Does anyone on here know what a petrol engine consists of? Has anyone actually taken one to pieces? Compared to an electric motor, they are much larger and need far more material to build and are far more complicated. Also compare reliability of the petrol engine to an electric motor.
In addition to electric motors is the battery. Look a the price drop of batteries in the last 24m - it is huge, but you guys are kept in the dark with bullshit press journalists out to make a buck on some scandal.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 23, 2024 8:38:52 GMT
The Chinese government Baron and how about the subsides paid by the government of the UK and the rest of Europe? And your beloved China gave their EV producers $231 Billion over 15 years hardly pocket money is it Baron. Unless you can identify the exact name of the Chinese subsidy so I can look it up and check, then I will take it as false information. I keep on being told China subsidises everything it produces. Well that is bloody impossible. The taxes would simply go up and then that would raise the prices back to what they were before in labour costs. There is no free lunch to be got out of subsidy. UK did it to meet environmental targets. It was an act of G7 posing with out tax money. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 23, 2024 8:42:06 GMT
Do a little thought experiment. Work out how much it would cost to build a petrol engine. Does anyone on here know what a petrol engine consists of? Has anyone actually taken one to pieces? Compared to an electric motor, they are much larger and need far more material to build and are far more complicated. Also compare reliability of the petrol engine to an electric motor. In addition to electric motors is the battery. Look a the price drop of batteries in the last 24m - it is huge, but you guys are kept in the dark with bullshit press journalists out to make a buck on some scandal. This is why the Chinese have never been able to export ICE vehicles. The precision engineering necessary especially for diesel engines is beyond their capabilities with the result that their vehicles have never been able to meet international emissions standards.
Hence the focus on BEVs which as you note are simpler and cheaper to build, once a solution has been found for the cost of the batteries. Government subsidies have helped with that.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2024 8:45:16 GMT
The Chinese government Baron and how about the subsides paid by the government of the UK and the rest of Europe? And your beloved China gave their EV producers $231 Billion over 15 years hardly pocket money is it Baron. Unless you can identify the exact name of the Chinese subsidy so I can look it up and check, then I will take it as false information. I keep on being told China subsidises everything it produces. Well that is bloody impossible. The taxes would simply go up and then that would raise the prices back to what they were before in labour costs. There is no free lunch to be got out of subsidy. UK did it to meet environmental targets. It was an act of G7 posing with out tax money. I have supplied a link atready Baron. Of course you could google it youself as i have nothing to hide. |
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