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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 21, 2024 16:59:24 GMT
Northvolt was presented as the ultimate European batteries in the face of China. Splash! The Swedish company is facing major financial difficulties. Jobs will be lost. Sweden does not intend to come to Northvolt's rescue. Prime Minister, Ulf Kristersson, has officially declared this. However, this company is one of the essential pawns in dissociating itself from China in the supply of batteries for electric cars. Proof of its ambitions, its shareholders include Volkswagen (21% of the shares), Goldman Sachs (19%) and Vargas Holding (7%). However, the financial situation is bad. So much so that the creditors have asked for help from a bank specializing in restructuring.
I could have told them that. CATL is an incredible company. It's like the Silicon Valley of car batteries. Even if you were that smart, the problem is they hold many of the key patents. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 21, 2024 17:06:09 GMT
Scare stories about EVs are about as valid as the scare stories about Covid vaccines — ie, there may be a bit of truth somewhere about a loosely related item or topic. But, overall, they're mainly stories cobbling together a few opinions, rumours and spurious bits of tittle-tattle. According to Zapmap's latest figures from its annual EV charging survey, 84% of EV owners have a home charge point, therefore the remaining 16% of EV owners are currently using public charging infrastructure or other methods to charge their cars (depot or workplace charging etc). That simply shows that EV's are preferred by those that have off-street charging - which doesn't apply to 50% of the country. But are still more unreliable. Electric vehicle owners continue to report far more problems with their vehicles than owners of conventional cars or hybrids, according to Consumer Reports’ newly released annual car reliability survey. The survey reveals that, on average, EVs from the past three model years had 79 percent more problems than conventional cars. Based on owner responses on more than 330,000 vehicles,www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/electric-vehicles-are-less-reliable-than-conventional-cars-a1047214174/?srsltid=AfmBOooK60Bez7Y2IMp0igxgDOnqJrX9sXNzNpwaRRXb3AE6idH1BDAb |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 21, 2024 17:20:01 GMT
Fuck Communism. Fuck dictatorships. Fuck slavery.
Long live democracy, internal combustion engines, fuel cells, freedom.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 21, 2024 17:50:24 GMT
Northvolt was presented as the ultimate European batteries in the face of China. Splash! The Swedish company is facing major financial difficulties. Jobs will be lost. Sweden does not intend to come to Northvolt's rescue. Prime Minister, Ulf Kristersson, has officially declared this. However, this company is one of the essential pawns in dissociating itself from China in the supply of batteries for electric cars. Proof of its ambitions, its shareholders include Volkswagen (21% of the shares), Goldman Sachs (19%) and Vargas Holding (7%). However, the financial situation is bad. So much so that the creditors have asked for help from a bank specializing in restructuring.
I could have told them that. CATL is an incredible company. It's like the Silicon Valley of car batteries. Even if you were that smart, the problem is they hold many of the key patents. Patterns mean fuck all if there is no customer base.... |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 21, 2024 17:57:54 GMT
The carbon footprint of an electric car is enormous. Fifty thousand miles of driving before you break even and by then the battery is worn out. New CATL batteries will give you 1000km range. Make that 800km for 80% = 500 miles.
500 x 5000 = 2.5 million against your estimate of 50 k meaning you are wrong by a factor of 5000%.
Don't you dare criticise Dianne Abbott for her maths!
Yes it might be a little less if you consider old batteries hold less charge, but not that much less.
Cold weather, night driving, raining, fog lamps, demisters all reduce the range and the efficiency of charging is greatly reduced in cold weather as is the efficient working of the battery. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 21, 2024 18:27:16 GMT
Some Electric Cars Shouldn’t Be Charged Above 25%, Says Researcher.... Electric cars using lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries should not be charged above 25% for extended periods, according to new research. This advice comes from Eniko S. Zsoldos, who published findings in The Journal of The Electrochemical Society, noting a link between higher charge levels and faster capacity loss in LFP batteries.
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Post by patman post on Sept 21, 2024 18:28:00 GMT
New CATL batteries will give you 1000km range. Make that 800km for 80% = 500 miles.
500 x 5000 = 2.5 million against your estimate of 50 k meaning you are wrong by a factor of 5000%.
Don't you dare criticise Dianne Abbott for her maths!
Yes it might be a little less if you consider old batteries hold less charge, but not that much less.
Cold weather, night driving, raining, fog lamps, demisters all reduce the range and the efficiency of charging is greatly reduced in cold weather as is the efficient working of the battery. Maybe. But as someone said, it’s horses for courses. Most of my driving is in temperate European conditions and I do between 200 and 300 miles before choosing to charge. I’ve never been worryingly searching for charging — but then, I’ve not been trying to expose or prove anything. We — a family of five — have spent vacations in Burgundy (motoring from London via Versailles) in both summer and winter, and we’ve never been embarrassed by a depleting battery. I wonder if any critics of EVs here have actually owned one suitable for their requirements… |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 21, 2024 21:20:01 GMT
I wonder if any critics of EVs here have actually owned one suitable for their requirements… That is an odd statement - for myself there is not an EV that is suitable to replace my current ICE car. I notice that you never try to answer any of the negatives of EV's - simply repeat the boring mantra that people do not know what they are talking about. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 21, 2024 22:06:21 GMT
New CATL batteries will give you 1000km range. Make that 800km for 80% = 500 miles.
500 x 5000 = 2.5 million against your estimate of 50 k meaning you are wrong by a factor of 5000%.
Don't you dare criticise Dianne Abbott for her maths!
Yes it might be a little less if you consider old batteries hold less charge, but not that much less.
Cold weather, night driving, raining, fog lamps, demisters all reduce the range and the efficiency of charging is greatly reduced in cold weather as is the efficient working of the battery. Some batteries work in very low temperatures. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 21, 2024 22:26:31 GMT
I could have told them that. CATL is an incredible company. It's like the Silicon Valley of car batteries. Even if you were that smart, the problem is they hold many of the key patents. Patterns mean fuck all if there is no customer base.... Yep, and the way I see it is there is a way to succeed and there is a way to fail. Companies like Google made a loss for a long time, but they offered the customer lots of advantages until the customer figured Google was the go-to place. Now look at them. They are one of the world's richest firms.
It looks like China has done the same thing with EVs. They will get dirt cheap motoring over there and their cars are going to look space age before too long. They invest mega amounts into research. Over in Europe, I predict if we do carry on making cars, we and out Indian business colleagues will look like Lada back in soviet times. The Chinese will laugh as us as we laughed at Eastern European industry.I've seen it coming for a fair while now. The thing is news does not travel well from the East. We have our arses permanently stuck over in Ukraine.
What I want is one of those flying EVs. The batteries are good enough now to fly.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 21, 2024 22:31:28 GMT
Patterns mean fuck all if there is no customer base.... Yep, and the way I see it is there is a way to succeed and there is a way to fail. Companies like Google made a loss for a long time, but they offered the customer lots of advantages until the customer figured Google was the go-to place. Now look at them. They are one of the world's richest firms.
It looks like China has done the same thing with EVs. They will get dirt cheap motoring over there and their cars are going to look space age before too long. They invest mega amounts into research. Over in Europe, I predict if we do carry on making cars, we and out Indian business colleagues will look like Lada back in soviet times. The Chinese will laugh as us as we laughed at Eastern European industry.I've seen it coming for a fair while now. The thing is news does not travel well from the East. We have our arses permanently stuck over in Ukraine.
What I want is one of those flying EVs. The batteries are good enough now to fly.
China LOL. Are you for real Baron? Why are litheum batteries NOT used in aviation? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 21, 2024 23:32:42 GMT
Yep, and the way I see it is there is a way to succeed and there is a way to fail. Companies like Google made a loss for a long time, but they offered the customer lots of advantages until the customer figured Google was the go-to place. Now look at them. They are one of the world's richest firms.
It looks like China has done the same thing with EVs. They will get dirt cheap motoring over there and their cars are going to look space age before too long. They invest mega amounts into research. Over in Europe, I predict if we do carry on making cars, we and out Indian business colleagues will look like Lada back in soviet times. The Chinese will laugh as us as we laughed at Eastern European industry.I've seen it coming for a fair while now. The thing is news does not travel well from the East. We have our arses permanently stuck over in Ukraine.
What I want is one of those flying EVs. The batteries are good enough now to fly.
China LOL. Are you for real Baron? Why are litheum batteries NOT used in aviation? The most important factor in aviation is the energy to weight ratio. You need the world's best batteries and batteries designed for the job. I think it is possible to fly some 200 miles with the best batteries. They started out as one seater with 20km range, but batteries are getting very good these days. They have a new model out which looks like a space ship. It's a practical machine, but a bit on the expensive side. I think you are looking at about £200k, but prices will come down as they gain market share. It's carbon fibre technology. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 22, 2024 3:49:37 GMT
China LOL. Are you for real Baron? Why are litheum batteries NOT used in aviation? The most important factor in aviation is the energy to weight ratio. You need the world's best batteries and batteries designed for the job. I think it is possible to fly some 200 miles with the best batteries. They started out as one seater with 20km range, but batteries are getting very good these days. They have a new model out which looks like a space ship. It's a practical machine, but a bit on the expensive side. I think you are looking at about £200k, but prices will come down as they gain market share. It's carbon fibre technology. They only use LEAD ACID batteries in aviation Baron. Extreem temperature changes cause litheum to become un exploding bombs..... |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 22, 2024 6:57:50 GMT
Boeing's Dreamliners tried lithium ion batteries.
There were fires.
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 22, 2024 7:23:46 GMT
What gets me is the number of problems that there are with battery EV technology - surely people must have been aware that this was dead-end technology. It was NEVER going to be practical.
When the last Labour govt incentivised people to buy diesels (because it produced about 10% less CO2) there was one main drawback - they produced large amounts of NO2 which is deadly - however we already had the technology to eliminate NO2 by using reduction catalysts and Ammonia. Nevertheless people were unwilling to pay the extra for the technology and that was basically enough to put the kybosh on diesel cars.
But with battery powered electric cars there are so many unsolved problems that you need a book to list them all:
- Batteries are expensive and dirty tech which generate vast amounts of CO2 in manufacture and are hard recycle. They're also dangerously flammable and prone to damage by slight knocks. And a replacement battery effectively writes off you car because they're so expensive.
- THey're too slow to charge up
- Where does the electricity come from. We'd need about 5 nuclear power stations (size of Hinkley C) to provide the electricity
- The National Grid would need massive upgrading to distribute this amount of electricity.
- We don't have the infrastructure and never will because private industry can't make a profit from charging electric cars.
- Etc etc. The list of intractable problems is too long
Surely anyone with any sense could have worked this out YEARS ago. Yet the govt continues on this path of trying to force people to buy these useless vehicles. But you can't make people adopt technology that patently doesn't work. If they continue down this path we'll end up like Cuba where people drive around in 50 year old cars that they manage to keep on the road. And we'll have no car industry whatsoever.
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