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Post by sandypine on Sept 22, 2024 8:31:30 GMT
Cold weather, night driving, raining, fog lamps, demisters all reduce the range and the efficiency of charging is greatly reduced in cold weather as is the efficient working of the battery. Maybe. But as someone said, it’s horses for courses. Most of my driving is in temperate European conditions and I do between 200 and 300 miles before choosing to charge. I’ve never been worryingly searching for charging — but then, I’ve not been trying to expose or prove anything. We — a family of five — have spent vacations in Burgundy (motoring from London via Versailles) in both summer and winter, and we’ve never been embarrassed by a depleting battery. I wonder if any critics of EVs here have actually owned one suitable for their requirements… However the experience of those with different courses who have owned EVs are well recorded and at motorway service stations, particularly the northern M6 sections late Sundays, the line of pissed off looking people sitting at charge points is quite off putting. Their sullenness does not improve as they are getting charged up. Most satisfied EV people refer to using their car with home chargers, not available to most people, and openly refer to using their 'other car' for the long journeys they may have to suddenly, or plan to, make. The manufacturers, sing the praises of EVs because they will be financially punished if they do not sell enough or indeed too many ICE vehicles. Like all things the market tells you what is going on and the reluctance of consumer's to buy EVs despite the incentives indicates a problem not easily fixed. As more people have experience of EVs both new and second hand the market will dictate more and more and in that respect EVs are not doing well despite some people loving them. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 22, 2024 8:46:14 GMT
What gets me is the number of problems that there are with battery EV technology - surely people must have been aware that this was dead-end technology. It was NEVER going to be practical. When the last Labour govt incentivised people to buy diesels (because it produced about 10% less CO2) there was one main drawback - they produced large amounts of NO2 which is deadly - however we already had the technology to eliminate NO2 by using reduction catalysts and Ammonia. Nevertheless people were unwilling to pay the extra for the technology and that was basically enough to put the kybosh on diesel cars. But with battery powered electric cars there are so many unsolved problems that you need a book to list them all: - Batteries are expensive and dirty tech which generate vast amounts of CO2 in manufacture and are hard recycle. They're also dangerously flammable and prone to damage by slight knocks. And a replacement battery effectively writes off you car because they're so expensive. - THey're too slow to charge up - Where does the electricity come from. We'd need about 5 nuclear power stations (size of Hinkley C) to provide the electricity - The National Grid would need massive upgrading to distribute this amount of electricity. - We don't have the infrastructure and never will because private industry can't make a profit from charging electric cars. - Etc etc. The list of intractable problems is too long Surely anyone with any sense could have worked this out YEARS ago. Yet the govt continues on this path of trying to force people to buy these useless vehicles. But you can't make people adopt technology that patently doesn't work. If they continue down this path we'll end up like Cuba where people drive around in 50 year old cars that they manage to keep on the road. And we'll have no car industry whatsoever. I think we have to assume that the idea is for most people to go carless in one way or another and ICE vehicles will become illegal to drive anywhere at some point in the future except perhaps for the chosen few. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 22, 2024 9:48:09 GMT
The most important factor in aviation is the energy to weight ratio. You need the world's best batteries and batteries designed for the job. I think it is possible to fly some 200 miles with the best batteries. They started out as one seater with 20km range, but batteries are getting very good these days. They have a new model out which looks like a space ship. It's a practical machine, but a bit on the expensive side. I think you are looking at about £200k, but prices will come down as they gain market share. It's carbon fibre technology. They only use LEAD ACID batteries in aviation Baron. Extreem temperature changes cause litheum to become un exploding bombs..... These are not for flying 5 miles high. You don't use lead in flying EVs. They would never take off. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 22, 2024 9:58:56 GMT
They only use LEAD ACID batteries in aviation Baron. Extreem temperature changes cause litheum to become un exploding bombs..... These are not for flying 5 miles high. You don't use lead in flying EVs. They would never take off. Care to post a link to these mythical flying EV's of yours Baron? Or are you reffering to drones? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 22, 2024 10:01:30 GMT
These are not for flying 5 miles high. You don't use lead in flying EVs. They would never take off. Care to post a link to these mythical flying EV's of yours Baron? Or are you reffering to drones? It was in a video somewhere. I'll see if I can relocate it.
This could be the one.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 22, 2024 10:03:01 GMT
Care to post a link to these mythical flying EV's of yours Baron? Or are you reffering to drones? It was in a video somewhere. I'll see if I can relocate it. Are you sure it was not a video of pigs flying? |
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Post by bancroft on Sept 22, 2024 11:47:13 GMT
It is certainly concerning that there are no public solutions to an EV battery fire, which I find shocking.
The risk may be higher with hybrids though getting harder to find new petrol only cars.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 22, 2024 11:56:27 GMT
This is what happens when objects are not fit for purpose... Electric car sales stalling and electric van demand falling, says BVRLA.....
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Post by patman post on Sept 22, 2024 19:00:23 GMT
I wonder if any critics of EVs here have actually owned one suitable for their requirements… That is an odd statement - for myself there is not an EV that is suitable to replace my current ICE car. I notice that you never try to answer any of the negatives of EV's - simply repeat the boring mantra that people do not know what they are talking about. If you had bothered to read my post you would have seen that I addressed the costs of charging*, maintenance** and running. I debunked the scare stories of carbon emissions and pollution for manufacture*** and energy****. * 84% of EV users charge at home where off-peak charging can keep running costs to 2p per mile.www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/latest-news/drivers-without-access-to-home-chargers-arent-buying-evs-says-co-charger/**On average, EVs incur about 50% less maintenance expenses than ICE vehicles over their lifetime. www.recharged.com/differences-between_ICE-EV-maintenance/***EV and ICE vehicles use similar materials in their manufacture — it’s their propulsion and management systems designs that differ. ****Electrical energy is replacing fossil fuel across the board, from steel-making to home baking. EVs are not the only users. The last UK coal-fired power station has closed, and the proportion of renewables is constantly increasing... |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 22, 2024 20:32:58 GMT
That is an odd statement - for myself there is not an EV that is suitable to replace my current ICE car. I notice that you never try to answer any of the negatives of EV's - simply repeat the boring mantra that people do not know what they are talking about. If you had bothered to read my post you would have seen that I addressed the costs of charging*, maintenance** and running. I debunked the scare stories of carbon emissions and pollution for manufacture*** and energy****. * 84% of EV users charge at home where off-peak charging can keep running costs to 2p per mile.www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/latest-news/drivers-without-access-to-home-chargers-arent-buying-evs-says-co-charger/**On average, EVs incur about 50% less maintenance expenses than ICE vehicles over their lifetime. www.recharged.com/differences-between_ICE-EV-maintenance/***EV and ICE vehicles use similar materials in their manufacture — it’s their propulsion and management systems designs that differ. ****Electrical energy is replacing fossil fuel across the board, from steel-making to home baking. EVs are not the only users. The last UK coal-fired power station has closed, and the proportion of renewables is constantly increasing... Off peak may become peak as more people move to electric cars and off peak home heating or at least will have significantly higher demand than now. Electrical energy is replacing fossil fuels as government policy and we are all paying the extra costs to enable this to happen. At some point everyone will be in an EV and the cost will be transferred to the motorist in full. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 22, 2024 21:17:19 GMT
This is what happens when objects are not fit for purpose... Electric car sales stalling and electric van demand falling, says BVRLA.....
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 22, 2024 21:22:02 GMT
Who do you think you are kidding by linking to a second hand EV car dealer claiming that EV's are cheaper to run? Sorry Pat - but that is bizarre even for you..  |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 22, 2024 21:26:19 GMT
This is what happens when objects are not fit for purpose... Electric car sales stalling and electric van demand falling, says BVRLA.....
Sales are booming in China because the government prevents you buying anything else - sales are only kept afloat in the rest of the world by subsidies from the state. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 22, 2024 22:07:15 GMT
Sales are booming in China because the government prevents you buying anything else - sales are only kept afloat in the rest of the world by subsidies from the state. Obviously it has nothing at all to do with EVs becoming better value for money. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2024 2:12:04 GMT
Sales are booming in China because the government prevents you buying anything else - sales are only kept afloat in the rest of the world by subsidies from the state. Obviously it has nothing at all to do with EVs becoming better value for money. They are not better value FFS...And neither are they green. |
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