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Post by see2 on Sept 21, 2024 15:43:40 GMT
Your stonewalling defense of the far-right changes nothing, but it probably is a good indication that you are a far-right supporter. Are you? Stonewalling? I am asking a simple question that you seem singularly unable to answer. I can easily answer the question you have just asked if you would only tell me what the far right is, what makes them far right and what specific policies fit into the far right mould, just one would be a start. NO YOU ARE NOT. You have already answered your own question, you posted --- "a spectrum of political thought that tends to be radically conservative, ultra-nationalist, and authoritarian". Just as Right Wingers Galtieri, Pinochet, Franco and Hitler were. All guilty of Murder, Torture, and Rape of innocent civilians. Yet you go 'err, I don't understand' LOL. You seem to be all too eager to defend the far right, so I'll ask again, are you a far right supporter, because if you are further discussion on this matter with you, would be a waste of time.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 21, 2024 16:10:52 GMT
Stonewalling? I am asking a simple question that you seem singularly unable to answer. I can easily answer the question you have just asked if you would only tell me what the far right is, what makes them far right and what specific policies fit into the far right mould, just one would be a start. NO YOU ARE NOT. You have already answered your own question, you posted --- "a spectrum of political thought that tends to be radically conservative, ultra-nationalist, and authoritarian". Just as Right Wingers Galtieri, Pinochet, Franco and Hitler were. All guilty of Murder, Torture, and Rape of innocent civilians. Yet you go 'err, I don't understand' LOL. You seem to be all too eager to defend the far right, so I'll ask again, are you a far right supporter, because if you are further discussion on this matter with you, would be a waste of time. And then I asked, just as I asked in the very beginning what policies of the AfD fall into that description of far right. They do not appear radically conservative, they are not ultra Nationalist nor are they authoritarian, in fact many polices are to the left as far as I can see as they are more socially orientated and in fact very liberal.
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Post by see2 on Sept 21, 2024 16:25:00 GMT
NO YOU ARE NOT. You have already answered your own question, you posted --- "a spectrum of political thought that tends to be radically conservative, ultra-nationalist, and authoritarian". Just as Right Wingers Galtieri, Pinochet, Franco and Hitler were. All guilty of Murder, Torture, and Rape of innocent civilians. Yet you go 'err, I don't understand' LOL. You seem to be all too eager to defend the far right, so I'll ask again, are you a far right supporter, because if you are further discussion on this matter with you, would be a waste of time. And then I asked, just as I asked in the very beginning what policies of the AfD fall into that description of far right. They do not appear radically conservative, they are not ultra Nationalist nor are they authoritarian, in fact many polices are to the left as far as I can see as they are more socially orientated and in fact very liberal. If they were not, they would not be accepted as being far-right. But the Germans do accept them as a far-right. So if you have an argument it is with the German people, not with me. I read at one point that Germany previously, before the AfD, had what was referred to as a "Moderate right wing party".
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Post by Bentley on Sept 21, 2024 16:29:44 GMT
And then I asked, just as I asked in the very beginning what policies of the AfD fall into that description of far right. They do not appear radically conservative, they are not ultra Nationalist nor are they authoritarian, in fact many polices are to the left as far as I can see as they are more socially orientated and in fact very liberal. If they were not, they would not be accepted as being far-right. But the Germans do accept them as a far-right. So if you have an argument it is with the German people, not with me.
I read at one point that Germany previously, before the AfD, had what was referred to as a "Moderate right wing party". argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people")[1] is a fallacious argument which is based on claiming a truth or affirming something is good or correct because many people think so
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 21, 2024 16:30:04 GMT
And then I asked, just as I asked in the very beginning what policies of the AfD fall into that description of far right. They do not appear radically conservative, they are not ultra Nationalist nor are they authoritarian, in fact many polices are to the left as far as I can see as they are more socially orientated and in fact very liberal. If they were not, they would not be accepted as being far-right. But the Germans do accept them as a far-right. So if you have an argument it is with the German people, not with me. I read at one point that Germany previously, before the AfD, had what was referred to as a "Moderate right wing party". Oh, so they're "Far right" because they're "Accepted" as being "Far right" by people who consider themselves not far right. That's just meaningless subjectivity.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 21, 2024 17:27:29 GMT
And then I asked, just as I asked in the very beginning what policies of the AfD fall into that description of far right. They do not appear radically conservative, they are not ultra Nationalist nor are they authoritarian, in fact many polices are to the left as far as I can see as they are more socially orientated and in fact very liberal. If they were not, they would not be accepted as being far-right. But the Germans do accept them as a far-right. So if you have an argument it is with the German people, not with me. I read at one point that Germany previously, before the AfD, had what was referred to as a "Moderate right wing party". This is by your bootstraps stuff. I do not accept them as being far right unless someone says to me with an example this is why they are far right. Other people saying so is not good enough. Ian Smith and the Salisbury government called Wilson a Communist, do their words hold that to be true or do we need verification in some way? Far right is a lazy label to throw if one cannot pinpoint why the label is true and too easily affixed by governments to their opposition as they lose popular support .
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Post by see2 on Sept 22, 2024 9:20:42 GMT
NO YOU ARE NOT. You have already answered your own question, you posted --- "a spectrum of political thought that tends to be radically conservative, ultra-nationalist, and authoritarian". Just as Right Wingers Galtieri, Pinochet, Franco and Hitler were. All guilty of Murder, Torture, and Rape of innocent civilians. Yet you go 'err, I don't understand' LOL. You seem to be all too eager to defend the far right, so I'll ask again, are you a far right supporter, because if you are further discussion on this matter with you, would be a waste of time. And then I asked, just as I asked in the very beginning what policies of the AfD fall into that description of far right. They do not appear radically conservative, they are not ultra Nationalist nor are they authoritarian, in fact many polices are to the left as far as I can see as they are more socially orientated and in fact very liberal. I would not expect any Far-Right political organisation to be completely honest about their future political desires and intentions. Do you think the Far-Right political controllers, already mentioned, who had plenty of supporters, ever let it be known that once they gained control they would murder, torture or rape thousands of innocent civilians for no other reason than political disagreement?
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Post by see2 on Sept 22, 2024 9:25:11 GMT
If they were not, they would not be accepted as being far-right. But the Germans do accept them as a far-right. So if you have an argument it is with the German people, not with me. I read at one point that Germany previously, before the AfD, had what was referred to as a "Moderate right wing party". Oh, so they're "Far right" because they're "Accepted" as being "Far right" by people who consider themselves not far right. That's just meaningless subjectivity. Your comment is just meaningless deviation from reality.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 22, 2024 10:14:01 GMT
And then I asked, just as I asked in the very beginning what policies of the AfD fall into that description of far right. They do not appear radically conservative, they are not ultra Nationalist nor are they authoritarian, in fact many polices are to the left as far as I can see as they are more socially orientated and in fact very liberal. I would not expect any Far-Right political organisation to be completely honest about their future political desires and intentions. Do you think the Far-Right political controllers, already mentioned, who had plenty of supporters, ever let it be known that once they gained control they would murder, torture or rape thousands of innocent civilians for no other reason than political disagreement? I understand all of that I am seeking out how one recognises these potentially dangerous political forces before they get a chance to obtain power and murder everyone of their choice. There has to be a recognisable trait or policy that one can point at and say 'Aha, a far right group and potential murderers' all I am asking is how does one go about labelling in the first instance. What makes a far right group recognisably far right as regards how they go about the business of lying and deceiving to gain support for their nefarious actions. We have already agreed the do not wear badges. Currently it seems to be; are their policies popular, yes; are they winning seats, yes; are they being democratic' yes; are they upsetting the current political balance; yes, are those currently in power and normally expected to win power at elections seeing them as degrading their support, yes. Then they are labelled far right. Realistically that does not wash.
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Post by see2 on Sept 22, 2024 12:49:53 GMT
I would not expect any Far-Right political organisation to be completely honest about their future political desires and intentions. Do you think the Far-Right political controllers, already mentioned, who had plenty of supporters, ever let it be known that once they gained control they would murder, torture or rape thousands of innocent civilians for no other reason than political disagreement? I understand all of that I am seeking out how one recognises these potentially dangerous political forces before they get a chance to obtain power and murder everyone of their choice. There has to be a recognisable trait or policy that one can point at and say 'Aha, a far right group and potential murderers' all I am asking is how does one go about labelling in the first instance. What makes a far right group recognisably far right as regards how they go about the business of lying and deceiving to gain support for their nefarious actions. We have already agreed the do not wear badges. Currently it seems to be; are their policies popular, yes; are they winning seats, yes; are they being democratic' yes; are they upsetting the current political balance; yes, are those currently in power and normally expected to win power at elections seeing them as degrading their support, yes. Then they are labelled far right. Realistically that does not wash. History.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 22, 2024 17:46:53 GMT
I understand all of that I am seeking out how one recognises these potentially dangerous political forces before they get a chance to obtain power and murder everyone of their choice. There has to be a recognisable trait or policy that one can point at and say 'Aha, a far right group and potential murderers' all I am asking is how does one go about labelling in the first instance. What makes a far right group recognisably far right as regards how they go about the business of lying and deceiving to gain support for their nefarious actions. We have already agreed the do not wear badges. Currently it seems to be; are their policies popular, yes; are they winning seats, yes; are they being democratic' yes; are they upsetting the current political balance; yes, are those currently in power and normally expected to win power at elections seeing them as degrading their support, yes. Then they are labelled far right. Realistically that does not wash. History. So to unpick that you are saying that history teaches us who to watch out for. So how does history teach us to watch out for the AfD whose policies are if anything of the left rather than watch out for the Christian Democrats, What historical lessons are to be learnt as I assume that some policies make the AfD dangerous in the historical context. What are they?
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Post by see2 on Sept 22, 2024 21:50:38 GMT
So to unpick that you are saying that history teaches us who to watch out for. So how does history teach us to watch out for the AfD whose policies are if anything of the left rather than watch out for the Christian Democrats, What historical lessons are to be learnt as I assume that some policies make the AfD dangerous in the historical context. What are they? Their policies are their entry ticket into power while the history of far-right control is a clear warning not to mess about with this extremist area of politics. Ditto with Far-Left politics. You playing the dumb 'I don't know' changes nothing.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 23, 2024 4:47:54 GMT
So eight pages in and See2 still can't tell what defines the "Far Right" other than he says so.
Marvellous. 🙄
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Post by sandypine on Sept 23, 2024 7:57:06 GMT
So to unpick that you are saying that history teaches us who to watch out for. So how does history teach us to watch out for the AfD whose policies are if anything of the left rather than watch out for the Christian Democrats, What historical lessons are to be learnt as I assume that some policies make the AfD dangerous in the historical context. What are they? Their policies are their entry ticket into power while the history of far-right control is a clear warning not to mess about with this extremist area of politics. Ditto with Far-Left politics. You playing the dumb 'I don't know' changes nothing. Yes but how do we tell which party is the one using extremist politics to gain power and carry out their murderous intent. What offer is made to the people through policy that encourages them to vote for 'the far right' unwittingly. It cannot just be popularity because in the democratic process it is only popular parties that win. You seem to be saying that presenting leftish policies are the warning signs of the far right. At least we are getting somewhere. Does that mean our own government should have been railed against as far-right as they presented, rather obliquely it has to be said, leftish policies, even the Tories presented some leftish policies, should we have been concerned? Currently I cannot see what defines a far right party other than a lot of people say they are and they seek popular support through popular policies, a bit like the LibDems do, the SNP, the Greens and the SWP. Of course those policies are not popular enough so I suppose the final defining point for some would be increasing support. It all seems very anti democratic of the people who are actually losing their popularity.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 23, 2024 10:49:03 GMT
So eight pages in and still can't tell what defines the "Far Right" other than he says so. Marvellous. 🙄 Pretty much … and if you don’t agree it’s your fault .😁
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