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Post by Bentley on Sept 19, 2024 8:58:56 GMT
Your quote from earlier. "Nope. A debate should consider both sides of a premise". Debate isn’t about indulging a poster who only wants to discuss a lop sided argument and only that. I was discussing a trend not a premise. Not only are you a Rightist but you have an authoritarian trait, which makes you a dangerous Rightist, precisely the type I warn against. I criticised Hard Right Thatcher when she was in office, I criticised Hard Left Corbyn when he tried to gain office. And I did not vote for either, but I did vote Conservative against Corbyn. You simply do not know me well enough to judge me. Debate ….”formal discussion on a particular matter in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward” Not my rules . As I said , that’s what debate is . All these years and you thought debate was about indulging your pontification. Must have broken your heart😁 |
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Post by see2 on Sept 19, 2024 10:57:40 GMT
Your quote from earlier. "Nope. A debate should consider both sides of a premise". Debate isn’t about indulging a poster who only wants to discuss a lop sided argument and only that. I was discussing a trend not a premise. Not only are you a Rightist but you have an authoritarian trait, which makes you a dangerous Rightist, precisely the type I warn against. I criticised Hard Right Thatcher when she was in office, I criticised Hard Left Corbyn when he tried to gain office. And I did not vote for either, but I did vote Conservative against Corbyn. You simply do not know me well enough to judge me. Debate ….”formal discussion on a particular matter in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward” Not my rules . As I said , that’s what debate is . All these years and you thought debate was about indulging your pontification. Must have broken your heart😁 "in which opposing arguments are put forward” --- Which means Can Be, Not SHOULD be put forward. This is a public forum which is open to single issue debates such as gender identification, BLM, attacks on Public figures and in this case the use of lies, denigration and so on.. The OP is open to deviations and tangent discussions, BUT IT IS NOT OPEN TO THE ENDING OF, OR THE BANNING OF A SINGLE ISSUE OF CONCERN. Which is exactly what you are trying to do. The truth of this matter would have your head in a spin, if you were capable of thinking beyond your political bias. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 19, 2024 11:09:19 GMT
Debate ….”formal discussion on a particular matter in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward” Not my rules . As I said , that’s what debate is . All these years and you thought debate was about indulging your pontification. Must have broken your heart😁 "in which opposing arguments are put forward” --- Which means Can Be, Not SHOULD be put forward. This is a public forum which is open to single issue debates such as gender identification, BLM, attacks on Public figures and in this case the use of lies, denigration and so on.. The OP is open to deviations and tangent discussions, BUT IT IS NOT OPEN TO THE ENDING OF, OR THE BANNING OF A SINGLE ISSUE OF CONCERN. Which is exactly what you are trying to do. The truth of this matter would have your head in a spin, if you were capable of thinking beyond your political bias. Opposing arguments are being put forward from several posters ie pointing out that leftists are as bad as right wingers …rather than you banging on about the right wingers and getting cross when it’s pointed out that the left is as bad as right . We are debating , you’re whining. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 19, 2024 11:13:52 GMT
Not my rules. Other posters have addressed the dishonesty of the left on this very thread . Discussing extemism with an extremist troll would be like discussing the virtues of non-racism with BLM or the KKK, which is demonstrated in most of its posts. Everything is a deflection just to maintain the momentum of the troll. It considers this to be an achievement when it's actually its own manic depravity let loose. Thanks for enhancing my feelings and thoughts of being complemented by insults from Rightists. Extremists like yourself should be exposed for what they are. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 19, 2024 11:20:07 GMT
"in which opposing arguments are put forward” --- Which means Can Be, Not SHOULD be put forward. This is a public forum which is open to single issue debates such as gender identification, BLM, attacks on Public figures and in this case the use of lies, denigration and so on.. The OP is open to deviations and tangent discussions, BUT IT IS NOT OPEN TO THE ENDING OF, OR THE BANNING OF A SINGLE ISSUE OF CONCERN. Which is exactly what you are trying to do. The truth of this matter would have your head in a spin, if you were capable of thinking beyond your political bias. Opposing arguments are being put forward from several posters ie pointing out that leftists are as bad as right wingers …rather than you banging on about the right wingers and getting cross when it’s pointed out that the left is as bad as right . I'm not as far to the left as Rightists are to the Right, but I have pointed out, many many times, that the far left are every bit as bad as the far right. So clearly, your post has got things totally wrong. |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 19, 2024 11:22:45 GMT
While this thread desperately looks back at the Conservative party for some agenda driven reason, and not the current Labour one, is there any actual evidence the Conservatives "knew" of the Black legend and that they learnt their political tactics from it?
TBH this thread looks like desperation to deflect from the Starmer govt. happy to be proven wrong if there is sufficient evidence and this is not just the propaganda and bias of a NuLabour supporter.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 19, 2024 11:23:13 GMT
Opposing arguments are being put forward from several posters ie pointing out that leftists are as bad as right wingers …rather than you banging on about the right wingers and getting cross when it’s pointed out that the left is as bad as right . I'm not as far to the left as Rightists are to the Right, but I have pointed out, many many times, that the far left are every bit as bad as the far right. So clearly, your post has got things totally wrong. So you encourage other posters to point out that left wingers are as bad as right wingers and extreme wing governments have been just as bad as extreme right wing governments? |
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Post by see2 on Sept 19, 2024 11:36:22 GMT
I'm not as far to the left as Rightists are to the Right, but I have pointed out, many many times, that the far left are every bit as bad as the far right. So clearly, your post has got things totally wrong. So you encourage other posters to point out that left wingers are as bad as right wingers and extreme wing governments have been just as bad as extreme right wing governments? I point out, not encourage, that the far left is as bad as the far right, yes. I have NEVER disputed the fact that extremist governments of the Left and of the Right, are as bad as each other. I have been trying to discuss the trend for Rightist politics to spread in the Western hemisphere. My concern is the Western hemisphere because that is where I live. And the last thing I wish to see is the West naively slipping into Rightist thinking, thus opening the path to Rightist extremism, as in the case of the progress made by the German AfG. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 19, 2024 11:43:17 GMT
While this thread desperately looks back at the Conservative party for some agenda driven reason, and not the current Labour one, is there any actual evidence the Conservatives "knew" of the Black legend and that they learnt their political tactics from it? TBH this thread looks like desperation to deflect from the Starmer govt. happy to be proven wrong if there is sufficient evidence and this is not just the propaganda and bias of a NuLabour supporter. The comparison between the Black Legend and Tory propaganda is total. Whether or not that is where the Tory propaganda comes from (originally via the educated in the party) or if it is just coincidental, is of course debatable. The one thing we know is that the Tories were not the first to adopt this approach. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 19, 2024 11:43:33 GMT
So you encourage other posters to point out that left wingers are as bad as right wingers and extreme wing governments have been just as bad as extreme right wing governments? I point out, not encourage, that the far left is as bad as the far right, yes. I have NEVER disputed the fact that extremist governments of the Left and of the Right, are as bad as each other. I have been trying to discuss the trend for Rightist politics to spread in the Western hemisphere. My concern is the Western hemisphere because that is where I live. And the last thing I wish to see is the West naively slipping into Rightist thinking, thus opening the path to Rightist extremism, as in the case of the progress made by the German AfG. I’ll ask you again “So you encourage other posters to point out that left wingers are as bad as right wingers and extreme wing governments have been just as bad as extreme right wing governments?” because it looks like you only want to post your point of view without counter views or dispute . |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 19, 2024 11:51:46 GMT
While this thread desperately looks back at the Conservative party for some agenda driven reason, and not the current Labour one, is there any actual evidence the Conservatives "knew" of the Black legend and that they learnt their political tactics from it? TBH this thread looks like desperation to deflect from the Starmer govt. happy to be proven wrong if there is sufficient evidence and this is not just the propaganda and bias of a NuLabour supporter. The comparison between the Black Legend and Tory propaganda is total. Whether or not that is where the Tory propaganda comes from (originally via the educated in the party) or if it is just coincidental, is of course debatable. The one thing we know is that the Tories were not the first to adopt this approach. Lefties demonise the right . You don’t have a point . Just a lopsided opinion. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 19, 2024 11:58:22 GMT
I point out, not encourage, that the far left is as bad as the far right, yes. I have NEVER disputed the fact that extremist governments of the Left and of the Right, are as bad as each other. I have been trying to discuss the trend for Rightist politics to spread in the Western hemisphere. My concern is the Western hemisphere because that is where I live. And the last thing I wish to see is the West naively slipping into Rightist thinking, thus opening the path to Rightist extremism, as in the case of the progress made by the German AfG. I’ll ask you again “So you encourage other posters to point out that left wingers are as bad as right wingers and extreme wing governments have been just as bad as extreme right wing governments?” because it looks like you only want to post your point of view without counter views or dispute . I don't "encourage" other posters to do anything. I point out the reality. And again for the umpteenth time extremists of the Left and of the Right are as bad as each other. I have already answered the second part of your question. I really don't know what more you want from me. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 19, 2024 11:59:14 GMT
The comparison between the Black Legend and Tory propaganda is total. Whether or not that is where the Tory propaganda comes from (originally via the educated in the party) or if it is just coincidental, is of course debatable. The one thing we know is that the Tories were not the first to adopt this approach. Lefties demonise the right . You don’t have a point . Just a lopsided opinion. You are entitled to your opinion. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 19, 2024 12:03:07 GMT
I’ll ask you again “So you encourage other posters to point out that left wingers are as bad as right wingers and extreme wing governments have been just as bad as extreme right wing governments?” because it looks like you only want to post your point of view without counter views or dispute . I don't "encourage" other posters to do anything. I point out the reality. And again for the umpteenth time extremists of the Left and of the Right are as bad as each other. I have already answered the second part of your question. I really don't know what more you want from me. That’s easy . Don’t whine when other points of view are posted. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 19, 2024 12:03:44 GMT
Lefties demonise the right . You don’t have a point . Just a lopsided opinion. You are entitled to your opinion. Glad you realise that now . |
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