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Post by Bentley on Sept 18, 2024 17:02:47 GMT
You are the one who wants to only debate your lop sided premise not me . You are the one with the problem when others point out your .bias . I wanted to debate a particular trend, you don't like it so you want to impose YOUR rules. Fortunately your rules are just your worthless opinions. If you want to debate the extremes of the Left and the Right of politics, why not start a thread on it? Not my rules. Other posters have addressed the dishonesty of the left on this very thread . |
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Post by see2 on Sept 18, 2024 17:07:52 GMT
I wanted to debate a particular trend, you don't like it so you want to impose YOUR rules. Fortunately your rules are just your worthless opinions. If you want to debate the extremes of the Left and the Right of politics, why not start a thread on it? Not my rules. Other posters have addressed the dishonesty of the left on this very thread . So you have already forgotten the rules you laid down for my posting, I don't think so. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 18, 2024 17:15:21 GMT
Not my rules. Other posters have addressed the dishonesty of the left on this very thread . So you have already forgotten the rules you laid down for my posting, I don't think so. What rules were they ? |
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Post by Rebirth on Sept 18, 2024 17:16:57 GMT
I wanted to debate a particular trend, you don't like it so you want to impose YOUR rules. Fortunately your rules are just your worthless opinions. If you want to debate the extremes of the Left and the Right of politics, why not start a thread on it? Not my rules. Other posters have addressed the dishonesty of the left on this very thread . Discussing extemism with an extremist troll would be like discussing the virtues of non-racism with BLM or the KKK, which is demonstrated in most of its posts. Everything is a deflection just to maintain the momentum of the troll. It considers this to be an achievement when it's actually its own manic depravity let loose. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 18, 2024 17:22:50 GMT
Not my rules. Other posters have addressed the dishonesty of the left on this very thread . Discussing extemism with an extremist troll would be like discussing the virtues of non-racism with BLM or the KKK, which is demonstrated in most of its posts. Everything is a deflection just to maintain the momentum of the troll. It considers this to be an achievement when it's actually its own manic depravity let loose. I can’t fathom why he thinks he should be indulged. If I posted a thread on Oracs forum about how beastly lefties are , I would be reminded that the right wing was as bad every time . I could type hundreds of posts about left wing propaganda from here and around the world only to be met with a counter argument about right wing propaganda. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 18, 2024 17:34:01 GMT
The only fact we need to know that all the violence is from the left, even the lefties own supporters threatened to murder MPs if they didn't vote in favour of a Gaza ceasefire, then we have Trump with two assassination attempts by the lefties, and they don't stop there, a car bomb found close to where he was giving a campaign rally, the lefties are the aggressors every time, the lefty JSO vandalising property, Farage having milkshakes and bricks hurled at him, they just can't contain their anger if they can't have all their own way.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 18, 2024 17:38:51 GMT
The only fact we need to know that all the violence is from the left, even the lefties own supporters threatened to murder MPs if they didn't vote in favour of a Gaza ceasefire, then we have Trump with two assassination attempts by the lefties, and they don't stop there, a car bomb found close to where he was giving a campaign rally, the lefties are the aggressors every time, the lefty JSO vandalising property, Farage having milkshakes and bricks hurled at him, they just can't contain their anger if they can't have all their own way. Indeed. There are plenty of videos on the internet of ‘ in your face ‘ aggression and bullying from woke left wingers too. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 18, 2024 17:44:54 GMT
The only fact we need to know that all the violence is from the left, even the lefties own supporters threatened to murder MPs if they didn't vote in favour of a Gaza ceasefire, then we have Trump with two assassination attempts by the lefties, and they don't stop there, a car bomb found close to where he was giving a campaign rally, the lefties are the aggressors every time, the lefty JSO vandalising property, Farage having milkshakes and bricks hurled at him, they just can't contain their anger if they can't have all their own way. Indeed. There are plenty of videos on the internet of ‘ in your face ‘ aggression and bullying from woke left wingers too. They are always angry and looking for trouble, they despise anything that brings a bit of happiness or pleasure in to peoples lives, they just can't help themselves, they walk around with a face like a slapped arse, miserable, whinging whining, on guard waiting to accuse people of being racist, homophobic's, ready to pounce, they are clearly unhappy in life and therefore want everyone to be as miserable and unhappy as they are, they can only be described as ....... Sad Bastards. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 18, 2024 17:48:02 GMT
NewLabour were renowned for their spin and it was not just a Tory propaganda ploy as the MSN noted it as well. Before that all politicians lied and spun but post 1997 it became a new art form. The black legend is an example of how to present propaganda and make it stick. That is an art form as well as repetition of largely meaningless phrases helps, like Rightist, hard rightist, far rightist, typical rightist and deluded rightist. when replying to questions in which there is no reply. Nonsense. Alistair Campbell was the Labour Press Secretary dubbed as a Spin Doctor by the Tories and the Tory press. I see you swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker. Are you fool enough to believe that some spin is not used by all political press secretaries? All you have to do is to highlight it and exaggerate it and bob's your uncle. Just as following the last election Tory MPs and their supporters began the black propaganda immediately after the election result. A bit like yourself. Hmm, Right-Wing organisations backing Trump. Right-wing protesters rioting in the streets. Italy elect a Right-Wing Prime Minister. The German far right party voted in, in a local election. The far-right is recognised all over the world, yet you wish to turn a blind eye to the reality of the right wings of politics. I don't blame you wanting to disassociate yourself from the threat of the far-right. They are a very nasty lot with a nasty history. Four Rightist mass murdering dictatorships in the Western World all in the living memory of probably most adults i.e. Franco, Pinochet, Galtieri and Hitler. As I said all do it but it was much more noticeable under NL. The far right may be recognised everywhere but what makes them recognisable. Do they wear badges? |
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Post by Rebirth on Sept 18, 2024 18:25:15 GMT
Nonsense. Alistair Campbell was the Labour Press Secretary dubbed as a Spin Doctor by the Tories and the Tory press. I see you swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker. Are you fool enough to believe that some spin is not used by all political press secretaries? All you have to do is to highlight it and exaggerate it and bob's your uncle. Just as following the last election Tory MPs and their supporters began the black propaganda immediately after the election result. A bit like yourself. Hmm, Right-Wing organisations backing Trump. Right-wing protesters rioting in the streets. Italy elect a Right-Wing Prime Minister. The German far right party voted in, in a local election. The far-right is recognised all over the world, yet you wish to turn a blind eye to the reality of the right wings of politics. I don't blame you wanting to disassociate yourself from the threat of the far-right. They are a very nasty lot with a nasty history. Four Rightist mass murdering dictatorships in the Western World all in the living memory of probably most adults i.e. Franco, Pinochet, Galtieri and Hitler. As I said all do it but it was much more noticeable under NL. The far right may be recognised everywhere but what makes them recognisable. Do they wear badges? I think he switched accounts. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 19, 2024 6:08:01 GMT
Pacifico did, and that was what started the ball rolling. So one again you got things wrong. You replied to jonksy who posted ‘ could’. You brushed it off with “e. a suggestion, no doubt made for political purposes.” From page 3. see2 Avatar My reply to Pacifico. 18 hours ago see2 said: There is no 'knowledge' that the absence of WFA alone for some, WILL kill 4,000 PENSIONERS.
Pacifico Avatar 13 hours ago Pacifico said: "Are you saying the Labour Party are lying?"
see2 Avatar Reply to Pacifico. Of course not, but if you are claiming that the Labour party has stated "it will kill 4,000 pensioners" I would like to see the evidence of that claim. To which Jonksy replied with the claim that showed the word was could, not would.
I don't see why I should be expected to pander to your nonsense when the evidence is already there. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 19, 2024 6:41:16 GMT
Nonsense. Alistair Campbell was the Labour Press Secretary dubbed as a Spin Doctor by the Tories and the Tory press. I see you swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker. Are you fool enough to believe that some spin is not used by all political press secretaries? All you have to do is to highlight it and exaggerate it and bob's your uncle. Just as following the last election Tory MPs and their supporters began the black propaganda immediately after the election result. A bit like yourself. Hmm, Right-Wing organisations backing Trump. Right-wing protesters rioting in the streets. Italy elect a Right-Wing Prime Minister. The German far right party voted in, in a local election. The far-right is recognised all over the world, yet you wish to turn a blind eye to the reality of the right wings of politics. I don't blame you wanting to disassociate yourself from the threat of the far-right. They are a very nasty lot with a nasty history. Four Rightist mass murdering dictatorships in the Western World all in the living memory of probably most adults i.e. Franco, Pinochet, Galtieri and Hitler. As I said all do it but it was much more noticeable under NL. The far right may be recognised everywhere but what makes them recognisable. Do they wear badges? It got lots loads of exaggeration and black propaganda from the Tories, especially from biased Newspapers, so much so that I complained to the BBC about the way in which they showed misleading newspaper headlines in their programme on the Press, something they no longer do. And haven't done for some time now. The far Right (and the far left) don't need a badge as actions speak louder than badges or words. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 19, 2024 6:57:10 GMT
As I said all do it but it was much more noticeable under NL. The far right may be recognised everywhere but what makes them recognisable. Do they wear badges? It got lots loads of exaggeration and black propaganda from the Tories, especially from biased Newspapers, so much so that I complained to the BBC about the way in which they showed misleading newspaper headlines in their programme on the Press, something they no longer do. And haven't done for some time now. The far Right (and the far left) don't need a badge as actions speak louder than badges or words. I agree that in particular people like Jeremy Corbyn, when leader, had many more lies told against them just as the likes of the BNP and EDL were fair game for lies on a routine basis. This is nothing new and I do not see that Labour were a particular recipient of Tory lies over the years or that they indulged to a greater or lesser extent in political innuendo. Perhaps it was more noticeable under NL and carried on after it. What actions specifically denote a person, or group, as being far right? |
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Post by see2 on Sept 19, 2024 7:08:03 GMT
So you have already forgotten the rules you laid down for my posting, I don't think so. What rules were they ? Your quote from earlier. "Nope. A debate should consider both sides of a premise". Debate isn’t about indulging a poster who only wants to discuss a lop sided argument and only that. I was discussing a trend not a premise. Not only are you a Rightist but you have an authoritarian trait, which makes you a dangerous Rightist, precisely the type I warn against. I criticised Hard Right Thatcher when she was in office, I criticised Hard Left Corbyn when he tried to gain office. And I did not vote for either, but I did vote Conservative against Corbyn. You simply do not know me well enough to judge me. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 19, 2024 8:53:01 GMT
You didn’t reply to Pacifico. You replied to jonksy who posted ‘ could’. You brushed it off with “e. a suggestion, no doubt made for political purposes.” From page 3. see2 Avatar My reply to Pacifico. 18 hours ago see2 said: There is no 'knowledge' that the absence of WFA alone for some, WILL kill 4,000 PENSIONERS.
Pacifico Avatar 13 hours ago Pacifico said: "Are you saying the Labour Party are lying?"
see2 Avatar Reply to Pacifico. Of course not, but if you are claiming that the Labour party has stated "it will kill 4,000 pensioners" I would like to see the evidence of that claim. To which Jonksy replied with the claim that showed the word was could, not would.
I don't see why I should be expected to pander to your nonsense when the evidence is already there. As I said , you replied to Jonksy . You just confirmed it 😁 Note . I understand now. I accept Pacifico said WILL instead of COULD.
One poster used the wrong word ..ok.
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