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Post by sandypine on Oct 1, 2024 8:39:54 GMT
No what makes it extreme right as per my post above. Being extreme can be anywhere, being extreme right must have a position of being on the right. The AfD could be extreme Left. All that happened was they were labelled extreme. Stop making excuses for something you are so illiterate about. I may be illiterate on aspects of politics but then that is one point of coming on a political debate forum to interchange ideas and seek elucidation on political thought. I do find it strange that fixed positions are adopted and labels affixed with no clear indication as to why they are adopted and fixed. One hopes that explanations would be forthcoming just as normal political intercourse but it seems that even asking the question raises the hackles. I noted on Dewbs programme last night that a guest also stated that some were far right and was asked to explain what he meant and struggled to put any cogent argument as regards what he meant and how he knew who was far right. I have come to the conclusion that it is just a way to malign those one disagrees with and has no basis in any specific policies other than a leaning to Nationalism and a desire for control over immigration, but that is common to all parties. If I am wrong perhaps some 'lefty' could explain' what makes people far right. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 1, 2024 8:40:11 GMT
1. You're exposing that 'less than a full shilling' brain of yours again. So you don't know the difference between "some German people" and the 'German electoral system'. 2. The German Electoral System defines the AfD as far right, NOT ME. I never invented the term Far-Right, it exists for a reason. I don't refer to anyone on this boNeeding someone to define Far-Right to you begs the question, What the hell are you doing attempting to debate politics when you don't know the first thing about it? 3. I did not infer they are the new Nazis, Wiki did. The problem I have with Rightists, time and time again, is the repeated lies and denigration they so often use. The 'dark' side of their DNA. 4. I don't refer to anyone on this board as being 'Far-Right' I do use the word 'Rightist' which indicates some posters as being beyond the moderate position of Centre-Right. Just how far beyond is something they themselves may not be fully aware of, until put to the test. My reference to 'before the fangs come out' is a pointer to the fact that seeking election and power is very different from being in power. In power the far-right can build up their control and move into more controversial areas of government. One thing that is guaranteed, a Far-Right government, because it is an extreme opposite to the Far-Left, will split the country creating anger and frustration. What then? 1) You are banding the term far-right about re. the AfD. So, I'll ask one more time to see whether you can finally answer the question: What in their policy is far-right that constitutes your use of that label on them? 2) You do. You've called them far-right on here. Yet you can't point to a single policy nevermind a handful that demonstrates how they are far-right. Now you are talking about "rightists as having a dark side to their DNA" WTF? When we're as lazy as you doing our research for debate, it probably isn't us who don't belong on a political forum. 3) Yes, it's clear you have a problem with people who disagree with you and then call them "rightists" but you obfuscate that with the generic accusation of 'repeated lies and denigration'. You waffle a lot, but have no substance and fail to give evidence of what you're on about. 4) While you are telling us of your paranoia about the "far-right" party called the AfD coming to power (even though you haven't any evidence to show why they are far-right), you then go onto say they 'will get their fangs out', how do you know this, if the only thing you know about them is how the German political electoral system describe them? Please try and answer this question without the nebulous waffle you are a prone to speaking, thanks in advance. You seem to be fixated on a wing and a prayer, while simultaneously and patronisingly telling everyone else they are naive because they ask you to garner a shred of evidence to back these worrisome claims up. You just make claims. Lack substance and accuse everyone who either disagrees with you, or asks you questions as naive, or rightists who have a dark side to their DNA. 1. I refer to the AfD as being defined in Germany as Far-Right. It is NOT my label, it is the definition placed upon it in Germany. So do try to introduce a bit of honesty into your replies. 2. I never placed the definition of Far-Right on the AfD, I have only posted it as the German definition of the AfD, SO STOP LYING ABOUT ME. Put your Rightist crap to one side before replying. 3. I refer to posters as Rightist when they post comments that are beyond the Center Right of politics such as when they do their best to defend or ignore Far-Right movements in Western countries. 4. If you are ignorant of what the far-right is, that is not my fault, nor is it up to me to answer distorted, contrived and dishonest questions put to me. 5. Your post is exactly what I refer to as the 'Dark' side of Rightist DNA. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 1, 2024 8:48:33 GMT
Stop making excuses for something you are so illiterate about. I may be illiterate on aspects of politics but then that is one point of coming on a political debate forum to interchange ideas and seek elucidation on political thought. I do find it strange that fixed positions are adopted and labels affixed with no clear indication as to why they are adopted and fixed. One hopes that explanations would be forthcoming just as normal political intercourse but it seems that even asking the question raises the hackles. I noted on Dewbs programme last night that a guest also stated that some were far right and was asked to explain what he meant and struggled to put any cogent argument as regards what he meant and how he knew who was far right. I have come to the conclusion that it is just a way to malign those one disagrees with and has no basis in any specific policies other than a leaning to Nationalism and a desire for control over immigration, but that is common to all parties. If I am wrong perhaps some 'lefty' could explain' what makes people far right. Once again you expose your ignorance of what Far-right means, do you also ignore the far-right actions of the likes of: Galtieri, Pinochet, Franco and Hitler? Stop pretending to be so ill informed, try being honest for a change. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 1, 2024 9:00:50 GMT
1. Your question makes no sense, do you mean 'what is the German political system'. You can look that up easily enough. 2. Nope. see answer above. 3. Three comments that make no sense. 4. Far-Right exists, are you really so dumb you know nothing about it?? 5. Yes, all of your comments are utter nonsense. So you don't understand what a system is and you still can't define "Far Right".
Quelle surprise.  The system is not a Who, it is a thing. You obviously don't know what you are posting. As I have posted numerous times It is not up to me to define Far-Right, it is up to those who defined the AfD as far-right, to explain their reasons. No I'm not surprised at your nonsense I got used to it some time ago. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 1, 2024 9:11:05 GMT
The system is not a Who, it is a thing... Exactly . And a thing can't have a opinion nor can it define anything. Hence why I questioned your earlier assertion that: 2. The German Electoral System defines the AfD as far right, NOT ME... Because clearly it doesn't. So I aksed you who does make that definition exactly. Which you have so far been unable to answer. In the same way that you've been unable to define "Far Right". |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 1, 2024 9:12:05 GMT
No I'm not surprised at your nonsense I got used to it some time ago. Said a man who just contradicted his own point. |
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 1, 2024 9:18:17 GMT
1) You are banding the term far-right about re. the AfD. So, I'll ask one more time to see whether you can finally answer the question: What in their policy is far-right that constitutes your use of that label on them? 2) You do. You've called them far-right on here. Yet you can't point to a single policy nevermind a handful that demonstrates how they are far-right. Now you are talking about "rightists as having a dark side to their DNA" WTF? When we're as lazy as you doing our research for debate, it probably isn't us who don't belong on a political forum. 3) Yes, it's clear you have a problem with people who disagree with you and then call them "rightists" but you obfuscate that with the generic accusation of 'repeated lies and denigration'. You waffle a lot, but have no substance and fail to give evidence of what you're on about. 4) While you are telling us of your paranoia about the "far-right" party called the AfD coming to power (even though you haven't any evidence to show why they are far-right), you then go onto say they 'will get their fangs out', how do you know this, if the only thing you know about them is how the German political electoral system describe them? Please try and answer this question without the nebulous waffle you are a prone to speaking, thanks in advance. You seem to be fixated on a wing and a prayer, while simultaneously and patronisingly telling everyone else they are naive because they ask you to garner a shred of evidence to back these worrisome claims up. You just make claims. Lack substance and accuse everyone who either disagrees with you, or asks you questions as naive, or rightists who have a dark side to their DNA. 1. I refer to the AfD as being defined in Germany as Far-Right. It is NOT my label, it is the definition placed upon it in Germany. So do try to introduce a bit of honesty into your replies. 2. I never placed the definition of Far-Right on the AfD, I have only posted it as the German definition of the AfD, SO STOP LYING ABOUT ME. Put your Rightist crap to one side before replying. 3. I refer to posters as Rightist when they post comments that are beyond the Center Right of politics such as when they do their best to defend or ignore Far-Right movements in Western countries. 4. If you are ignorant of what the far-right is, that is not my fault, nor is it up to me to answer distorted, contrived and dishonest questions put to me. 5. Your post is exactly what I refer to as the 'Dark' side of Rightist DNA. 1) You said this, it certainly was your label at them time of posting: 2) Sorry, see no mention of you claiming this is the German definition, it reads like your own so no lies are made about you. 3) You say posters are ignoring movements of the far-right, yet many posters for the last 10 pages have been asking you what exactly is far right about the AfD. Perhaps if you weren't so intent on ducking and diving the question then such movement of the far-right could be addressed. But you prefer to muddle debate with vagueness because it seems you don't have the conviction and evidence to answer the questions asked of you. 4) Please don't project onto me, I am only asking YOU what makes the AfD far-right (like you claimed in the bolded quote above), when looking at their policy/manifesto. 5) Yes, your paranoia about 'fangs out' and the 'dark side' is evident throughout this exchange. You've seen one-too-many horror movies. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 1, 2024 9:31:24 GMT
Why do you not just say what makes any group far right then we would not have to worry about misunderstandings and instead of wasting time and space we could discuss actualities of politics instead of airy fairy and rather nebulous opinions based on nothing more than the accusation of far rightedness. It was not a matter of ignoring in broad terms I have no idea what your comment was about. It is not up to me to explain why a group is referred to as Far-Right. So stop it with your distortions of my position. No it isn't I agree but you wish all to be aware of the dangers of far right but will not explain how you see that danger, from whom and why. Your position is beware because I say so. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 1, 2024 9:34:52 GMT
I may be illiterate on aspects of politics but then that is one point of coming on a political debate forum to interchange ideas and seek elucidation on political thought. I do find it strange that fixed positions are adopted and labels affixed with no clear indication as to why they are adopted and fixed. One hopes that explanations would be forthcoming just as normal political intercourse but it seems that even asking the question raises the hackles. I noted on Dewbs programme last night that a guest also stated that some were far right and was asked to explain what he meant and struggled to put any cogent argument as regards what he meant and how he knew who was far right. I have come to the conclusion that it is just a way to malign those one disagrees with and has no basis in any specific policies other than a leaning to Nationalism and a desire for control over immigration, but that is common to all parties. If I am wrong perhaps some 'lefty' could explain' what makes people far right. Once again you expose your ignorance of what Far-right means, do you also ignore the far-right actions of the likes of: Galtieri, Pinochet, Franco and Hitler? Stop pretending to be so ill informed, try being honest for a change. What makes Galtieri, Pinochet and Franco far right. What actions did they take that were far right. I accept they were authoritarian despotic regimes but what made them far right. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 1, 2024 10:49:23 GMT
Galtieri, Pinochet, Franco and Hitler were all military dictatorships - not sure that anyone would suggest that the AfD were the same.
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Post by Orac on Oct 1, 2024 13:44:26 GMT
Why do you not just say what makes any group far right then we would not have to worry about misunderstandings and instead of wasting time and space we could discuss actualities of politics instead of airy fairy and rather nebulous opinions based on nothing more than the accusation of far rightedness. It was not a matter of ignoring in broad terms I have no idea what your comment was about. It is not up to me to explain why a group is referred to as Far-Right. So stop it with your distortions of my position. You are the one using the term |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2024 14:39:43 GMT
It is not up to me to explain why a group is referred to as Far-Right. So stop it with your distortions of my position. You are the one using the term I make a distinction between hard right and far right. The latter are racist extremists, phobes, neo-Nazis and people of that ilk. The hard right on the other hand are people very economically and socially right wing, but still mainstream, Some parties like Reform garner support from both. It would thus be wrong in my view to regard every supporter of Reform as far right. But it would also be wrong to say that none of them are. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 1, 2024 14:49:29 GMT
You are the one using the term I make a distinction between hard right and far right. The latter are racist extremists, phobes, neo-Nazis and people of that ilk. The hard right on the other hand are people very economically and socially right wing, but still mainstream, Some parties like Reform garner support from both. It would thus be wrong in my view to regard every supporter of Reform as far right. But it would also be wrong to say that none of them are. Which is simply another "Because I say so" opinion with no evidential basis. "Phobes", "Racists" etc are just more meaningles subjective smears used to describe people that you disagree with. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 1, 2024 16:20:11 GMT
No I'm not surprised at your nonsense I got used to it some time ago. Said a man who just contradicted his own point. Your dishonesty overwhelms you.  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 1, 2024 16:43:35 GMT
Said a man who just contradicted his own point. Your dishonesty overwhelms you. You couldn't recognise the truth if it bit you on the arse. |
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