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Post by sandypine on Sept 30, 2024 13:21:44 GMT
1) Yes, we gathered that you are stupid enough to believe what some Germans believe, but show me where in their policy the AfD are far-right. Try doing some research for yourself instead of parroting others' opinions. 2) What isn't too difficult for me to understand is that you copy how the German political system refer to the AfD, but seeing as you use the words (far-right), and are part of this forum you've been asked on more than one occasion to show why the AfD are far right. Your response to this has been: I can't it's what the German political system say and I just copy them. You may well call me stupid and naive, but the only stupidity on display here is you not backing up your assertion with any credible evidence showing the AfD as far right. 3) You are using the term on here with no evidence to back this up, and plus you infer they are the new Nazi's that's smearing. 4) I've named them throughout the post here above. You have failed to show why you refer to them as "far-right" (other than because other people do it), i.e. you have shown no autonomous thought or critical thinking skills, and on top of that you are very quick to talk about history repeating itself with regards to Nazi's, and waiting for the AfD to get into power before their "fangs" come out. You smear void of evidence and this shows your bias and subjective thinking. 1. You're exposing that 'less than a full shilling' brain of yours again. So you don't know the difference between "some German people" and the 'German electoral system'. 2. The German Electoral System defines the AfD as far right, NOT ME. I never invented the term Far-Right, it exists for a reason. I don't refer to anyone on this boNeeding someone to define Far-Right to you begs the question, What the hell are you doing attempting to debate politics when you don't know the first thing about it? 3. I did not infer they are the new Nazis, Wiki did. The problem I have with Rightists, time and time again, is the repeated lies and denigration they so often use. The 'dark' side of their DNA. 4. I don't refer to anyone on this board as being 'Far-Right' I do use the word 'Rightist' which indicates some posters as being beyond the moderate position of Centre-Right. Just how far beyond is something they themselves may not be fully aware of, until put to the test. My reference to 'before the fangs come out' is a pointer to the fact that seeking election and power is very different from being in power. In power the far-right can build up their control and move into more controversial areas of government. One thing that is guaranteed, a Far-Right government, because it is an extreme opposite to the Far-Left, will split the country creating anger and frustration. What then? In 2) above is that right? The German courts have labelled some within the party as extreme and allowed the intelligence services to monitor the organisation. That is not the same as labelling them far right as to date we have no idea what is actually meant by far right as it has so many subjective issues around it. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 30, 2024 13:23:06 GMT
Instead of being a clever arse, prove the comment from Wiki is false  It is not proving it is false it is trying to find where the evidence for the accusation is drawn from in the first place. It may be 'some Germans' it may be even some of the German judiciary, which seems strange they are making political decisions. What we are searching for is what is it about them that makes them far right without going down the circular, inclusive and rather pointless route of because some Germans say so as does some of the German judiciary. They must have based their decision on evidence as labelling them ' a suspected extremist organisation'. Why are so intent on denying the existence of the political position of far-right? If you do not accept the given definition, then seek an explanation from those who gave the definition. As it is you are just playing the obtuse card as a way of attacking what you don't like. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 30, 2024 13:30:45 GMT
1. You're exposing that 'less than a full shilling' brain of yours again. So you don't know the difference between "some German people" and the 'German electoral system'. 2. The German Electoral System defines the AfD as far right, NOT ME. I never invented the term Far-Right, it exists for a reason. I don't refer to anyone on this boNeeding someone to define Far-Right to you begs the question, What the hell are you doing attempting to debate politics when you don't know the first thing about it? 3. I did not infer they are the new Nazis, Wiki did. The problem I have with Rightists, time and time again, is the repeated lies and denigration they so often use. The 'dark' side of their DNA. 4. I don't refer to anyone on this board as being 'Far-Right' I do use the word 'Rightist' which indicates some posters as being beyond the moderate position of Centre-Right. Just how far beyond is something they themselves may not be fully aware of, until put to the test. My reference to 'before the fangs come out' is a pointer to the fact that seeking election and power is very different from being in power. In power the far-right can build up their control and move into more controversial areas of government. One thing that is guaranteed, a Far-Right government, because it is an extreme opposite to the Far-Left, will split the country creating anger and frustration. What then? In 2) above is that right? The German courts have labelled some within the party as extreme and allowed the intelligence services to monitor the organisation. That is not the same as labelling them far right as to date we have no idea what is actually meant by far right as it has so many subjective issues around it. Then what is meant by "extreme" (the definition of extreme answers your questions) and why have they 'allowed the intelligence services to monitor the organisation'.? Surely the penny must drop any time now. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 30, 2024 13:36:33 GMT
It is not proving it is false it is trying to find where the evidence for the accusation is drawn from in the first place. It may be 'some Germans' it may be even some of the German judiciary, which seems strange they are making political decisions. What we are searching for is what is it about them that makes them far right without going down the circular, inclusive and rather pointless route of because some Germans say so as does some of the German judiciary. They must have based their decision on evidence as labelling them ' a suspected extremist organisation'. Why are so intent on denying the existence of the political position of far-right? If you do not accept the given definition, then seek an explanation from those who gave the definition. As it is you are just playing the obtuse card as a way of attacking what you don't like. I am not denying anything I am trying to determine what constitutes 'far right' what policies or extreme position does one have to hold to be considered far right. Giving every citizen £100 would be an extreme position but not far right, allowing people free access to all houses and homes would be extreme but not far right, giving everyone a bike would be extreme but not far right. What makes an extreme position a far right one? |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 30, 2024 13:39:27 GMT
In 2) above is that right? The German courts have labelled some within the party as extreme and allowed the intelligence services to monitor the organisation. That is not the same as labelling them far right as to date we have no idea what is actually meant by far right as it has so many subjective issues around it. Then what is meant by "extreme" (the definition of extreme answers your questions) and why have they 'allowed the intelligence services to monitor the organisation'.? Surely the penny must drop any time now. No what makes it extreme right as per my post above. Being extreme can be anywhere, being extreme right must have a position of being on the right. The AfD could be extreme Left. All that happened was they were labelled extreme. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 30, 2024 14:32:14 GMT
...Stop being stupid, The German political system refer to the AfD as Far-Right, and I have no control over the German political system. 2, The German political system refers to the AfD as Far-Right... And who are the "German political system"? What you mean is that some people, that you agree with, claim that the AfD are "Far right". But that doesn't make it so, that's just you projecting. Again, we are 16 pages in and you have yet to adduce any evidence for your claim or define what "Far right" is. So in summary: Some people that you don't like are something that you can't define because you and certain others agree that it must be so. It's an utter nonsense. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 30, 2024 19:34:56 GMT
Why are so intent on denying the existence of the political position of far-right? If you do not accept the given definition, then seek an explanation from those who gave the definition. As it is you are just playing the obtuse card as a way of attacking what you don't like. I am not denying anything I am trying to determine what constitutes 'far right' what policies or extreme position does one have to hold to be considered far right. Giving every citizen £100 would be an extreme position but not far right, allowing people free access to all houses and homes would be extreme but not far right, giving everyone a bike would be extreme but not far right. What makes an extreme position a far right one? The evidence is there for you to see, i.e. the pre-election comments and the post far-right governments in the 20 Cent. Western world. Just add 2+2 together, its not difficult. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 30, 2024 19:43:44 GMT
...Stop being stupid, The German political system refer to the AfD as Far-Right, and I have no control over the German political system. 2, The German political system refers to the AfD as Far-Right... And who are the "German political system"? What you mean is that some people, that you agree with, claim that the AfD are "Far right". But that doesn't make it so, that's just you projecting. Again, we are 16 pages in and you have yet to adduce any evidence for your claim or define what "Far right" is. So in summary: Some people that you don't like are something that you can't define because you and certain others agree that it must be so. It's an utter nonsense. 1. Your question makes no sense, do you mean 'what is the German political system'. You can look that up easily enough. 2. Nope. see answer above. 3. Three comments that make no sense. 4. Far-Right exists, are you really so dumb you know nothing about it?? 5. Yes, all of your comments are utter nonsense. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 30, 2024 20:13:55 GMT
I am not denying anything I am trying to determine what constitutes 'far right' what policies or extreme position does one have to hold to be considered far right. Giving every citizen £100 would be an extreme position but not far right, allowing people free access to all houses and homes would be extreme but not far right, giving everyone a bike would be extreme but not far right. What makes an extreme position a far right one? The evidence is there for you to see, i.e. the pre-election comments and the post far-right governments in the 20 Cent. Western world. Just add 2+2 together, its not difficult. If I saw it I would not be asking what it is. Which comments were the far right ones. It is very difficult as far as I can see 2+2 = 4 but it seems to be a different 4 than the one you find. Can you explain that discrepancy by referring to the detail of the comments as opposed to maligning my intelligence or indeed any political view I have. I know it is a forlorn hope. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 30, 2024 20:34:31 GMT
The evidence is there for you to see, i.e. the pre-election comments and the post far-right governments in the 20 Cent. Western world. If I saw it I would not be asking what it is. Which comments were the far right ones. It is very difficult as far as I can see 2+2 = 4 but it seems to be a different 4 than the one you find. Can you explain that discrepancy by referring to the detail of the comments as opposed to maligning my intelligence or indeed any political view I have. I know it is a forlorn hope. Don't be daft, I was pointing at the likely 'before and after' possibility, now highlighted. I have modified my original post in order to clarify things.^^. I should have know you would ignore the obvious and just continue with your avoiding obtuse approach. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 30, 2024 20:38:25 GMT
And who are the "German political system"? What you mean is that some people, that you agree with, claim that the AfD are "Far right". But that doesn't make it so, that's just you projecting. Again, we are 16 pages in and you have yet to adduce any evidence for your claim or define what "Far right" is. So in summary: Some people that you don't like are something that you can't define because you and certain others agree that it must be so. It's an utter nonsense. 1. Your question makes no sense, do you mean 'what is the German political system'. You can be look that up easily enough. 2. Nope. see answer above. 3. Three comments that make no sense. 4. Far-Right exists, are you really so dumb you know nothing about it?? 5. Yes, all of your comments are utter nonsense. So you don't understand what a system is and you still can't define "Far Right".
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Post by sandypine on Sept 30, 2024 21:02:41 GMT
If I saw it I would not be asking what it is. Which comments were the far right ones. It is very difficult as far as I can see 2+2 = 4 but it seems to be a different 4 than the one you find. Can you explain that discrepancy by referring to the detail of the comments as opposed to maligning my intelligence or indeed any political view I have. I know it is a forlorn hope. Don't be daft, I was pointing at the likely 'before and after' possibility, now highlighted. I have modified my original post in order to clarify things.^^. I should have know you would ignore the obvious and just continue with your avoiding obtuse approach. Why do you not just say what makes any group far right then we would not have to worry about misunderstandings and instead of wasting time and space we could discuss actualities of politics instead of airy fairy and rather nebulous opinions based on nothing more than the accusation of far rightedness. It was not a matter of ignoring in broad terms I have no idea what your comment was about. |
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 1, 2024 6:20:30 GMT
1) Yes, we gathered that you are stupid enough to believe what some Germans believe, but show me where in their policy the AfD are far-right. Try doing some research for yourself instead of parroting others' opinions. 2) What isn't too difficult for me to understand is that you copy how the German political system refer to the AfD, but seeing as you use the words (far-right), and are part of this forum you've been asked on more than one occasion to show why the AfD are far right. Your response to this has been: I can't it's what the German political system say and I just copy them. You may well call me stupid and naive, but the only stupidity on display here is you not backing up your assertion with any credible evidence showing the AfD as far right. 3) You are using the term on here with no evidence to back this up, and plus you infer they are the new Nazi's that's smearing. 4) I've named them throughout the post here above. You have failed to show why you refer to them as "far-right" (other than because other people do it), i.e. you have shown no autonomous thought or critical thinking skills, and on top of that you are very quick to talk about history repeating itself with regards to Nazi's, and waiting for the AfD to get into power before their "fangs" come out. You smear void of evidence and this shows your bias and subjective thinking. 1. You're exposing that 'less than a full shilling' brain of yours again. So you don't know the difference between "some German people" and the 'German electoral system'. 2. The German Electoral System defines the AfD as far right, NOT ME. I never invented the term Far-Right, it exists for a reason. I don't refer to anyone on this boNeeding someone to define Far-Right to you begs the question, What the hell are you doing attempting to debate politics when you don't know the first thing about it? 3. I did not infer they are the new Nazis, Wiki did. The problem I have with Rightists, time and time again, is the repeated lies and denigration they so often use. The 'dark' side of their DNA. 4. I don't refer to anyone on this board as being 'Far-Right' I do use the word 'Rightist' which indicates some posters as being beyond the moderate position of Centre-Right. Just how far beyond is something they themselves may not be fully aware of, until put to the test. My reference to 'before the fangs come out' is a pointer to the fact that seeking election and power is very different from being in power. In power the far-right can build up their control and move into more controversial areas of government. One thing that is guaranteed, a Far-Right government, because it is an extreme opposite to the Far-Left, will split the country creating anger and frustration. What then? 1) You are banding the term far-right about re. the AfD. So, I'll ask one more time to see whether you can finally answer the question: What in their policy is far-right that constitutes your use of that label on them? 2) You do. You've called them far-right on here. Yet you can't point to a single policy nevermind a handful that demonstrates how they are far-right. Now you are talking about "rightists as having a dark side to their DNA" WTF? When we're as lazy as you doing our research for debate, it probably isn't us who don't belong on a political forum. 3) Yes, it's clear you have a problem with people who disagree with you and then call them "rightists" but you obfuscate that with the generic accusation of 'repeated lies and denigration'. You waffle a lot, but have no substance and fail to give evidence of what you're on about. 4) While you are telling us of your paranoia about the "far-right" party called the AfD coming to power (even though you haven't any evidence to show why they are far-right), you then go onto say they 'will get their fangs out', how do you know this, if the only thing you know about them is how the German political electoral system describe them? Please try and answer this question without the nebulous waffle you are a prone to speaking, thanks in advance. You seem to be fixated on a wing and a prayer, while simultaneously and patronisingly telling everyone else they are naive because they ask you to garner a shred of evidence to back these worrisome claims up. You just make claims. Lack substance and accuse everyone who either disagrees with you, or asks you questions as naive, or rightists who have a dark side to their DNA. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 1, 2024 8:19:38 GMT
Then what is meant by "extreme" (the definition of extreme answers your questions) and why have they 'allowed the intelligence services to monitor the organisation'.? Surely the penny must drop any time now. No what makes it extreme right as per my post above. Being extreme can be anywhere, being extreme right must have a position of being on the right. The AfD could be extreme Left. All that happened was they were labelled extreme. Stop making excuses for something you are so illiterate about. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 1, 2024 8:22:02 GMT
Don't be daft, I was pointing at the likely 'before and after' possibility, now highlighted. I have modified my original post in order to clarify things.^^. I should have know you would ignore the obvious and just continue with your avoiding obtuse approach. Why do you not just say what makes any group far right then we would not have to worry about misunderstandings and instead of wasting time and space we could discuss actualities of politics instead of airy fairy and rather nebulous opinions based on nothing more than the accusation of far rightedness. It was not a matter of ignoring in broad terms I have no idea what your comment was about. It is not up to me to explain why a group is referred to as Far-Right. So stop it with your distortions of my position. |
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