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Post by sandypine on Sept 29, 2024 8:45:47 GMT
It seems any kind of stepping outside the box to try and stop the problems associated with the damage wreaked on them by the establishment is somehow far right. So does this mean the establishment is actually far left or just losing control of the plebs. The establishment has so far dealt with this matter in accordance with the Laws that exist. That makes them honest and democratic, while at the same time failing to fix the problem. Starmer believes he has some answers, only time will tell if he has or not. Those you accuse of being far right are operating in accordance with the laws that exist which makes them honest and democratic but failing to fix what they see as the problem. How can we tell if it is the establishment or those who democratically work against it that are far right and of whom we should be afraid? |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 29, 2024 8:46:54 GMT
No I didn't, your ever ongoing defense of the Far-Right makes you a Rightist, so don't throw in your twisted lies in an attempt to make sense of your ridiculous position. Smart mouthing only makes you an immature Rightist. You gave a definition that did not fit the AfD and how can I defend a position that only you and a lot of others declare as a position but will not tell us what it is? I will give you a clue long ago the Left came up with a slogan never again, this was then taken up by the establishment as a way of control, so every time the plebs step outside the box the establishment mentioned far right and Nazis and the left then do the dirty work and smearing. I am kind like that, it is all psychological which in actual fact the left fall for it every single time. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 29, 2024 9:23:30 GMT
The establishment has so far dealt with this matter in accordance with the Laws that exist. That makes them honest and democratic, while at the same time failing to fix the problem. Starmer believes he has some answers, only time will tell if he has or not. You sure about that, he seems to have spent most of his time taking back handers and working out more ways for him and his cronies to get richer at the plebs expense, while living in some fantasy he has a majority of people who believe in him, I would say it's a fair assessment. You are back to your childish Rightist contrived denigration and lies ^^ At this point in time you have absolutely no way of knowing whether or not Starmer will be successful. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 29, 2024 9:28:11 GMT
The accusation that I am smearing, when I am explaining the dangers of far-right extremism, is a lie. If you were making a case that the comparison was valid, then you would be explaining the reasoning behind your position. You aren't doing that - in fact, you refuse to do that. You are smearing. History validates itself. I just remind people, especially Rightists like yourself, about the dangers of far-right governments / dictatorships. You are lying. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 29, 2024 9:32:22 GMT
The establishment has so far dealt with this matter in accordance with the Laws that exist. That makes them honest and democratic, while at the same time failing to fix the problem. Starmer believes he has some answers, only time will tell if he has or not. Those you accuse of being far right are operating in accordance with the laws that exist which makes them honest and democratic but failing to fix what they see as the problem. How can we tell if it is the establishment or those who democratically work against it that are far right and of whom we should be afraid? I do not accuse anyone of being Far-Right, I just warn of the dangers of the Far-Right in government. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 29, 2024 9:38:01 GMT
Those you accuse of being far right are operating in accordance with the laws that exist which makes them honest and democratic but failing to fix what they see as the problem. How can we tell if it is the establishment or those who democratically work against it that are far right and of whom we should be afraid? I do not accuse anyone of being Far-Right, I just warn of the dangers of the Far-Right in government. Yes you do, you exampled the AfD as far right and used the opinion of the Germans to confirm that claim. We have no dangers from any government in the UK as no party here is far right. The Muslim supported parties that recently returned independent MPs is an example of where the real danger currently lies. |
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Post by ratcliff on Sept 29, 2024 10:16:42 GMT
It says it on the internetNo it says so on Wiki which is hardly a bastion of reliable facts and figures - only truly ignorant people use Wiki as their first ( and only) point of reference And some truly ignorant people can't even be bothered to look it up for themselves. I did , that's how I know you took a c&p directly from wiki  |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 29, 2024 10:33:30 GMT
You haven't been very clear at all and I agree you appear to be smearing. Are you saying the AfD shouldn't be democratically elected because the German political class describe them as far-right, and because of what the Nazi's did? Yet, when you unpack their policies they don't nearly look as far-right as the media would have you believe, and you've put no real meat on the bone in that regard either. You are using history to conjure up a dramatic narrative of what will happen if the AfD are democratically elected without any evidence, again this looks like agenda with paranoia thrown in for good measure and little substance to your so-called 'warnings'. 1. I have been very very clear in terms of my position, that you and other Rightists CHOOSE to ignore my explained position, is a helpful insight into the Rightist mind. 2. I have in no way suggested the insinuation in your first, contrived question, which is just your Rightist way of trying to make yourself feel better. 3. The history of Far-Right nasty extremism speaks for itself. Unfortunately Rightists appear to have a blocking system that blanks out things they have no wish to see, or hear or to read about. 4, Is just a nasty dishonest, as per what Rightists tend to do, attack on myself. Shame on all of you Rightists. Their 'Dark Legend' rules. 1) Yes to call the AfD far-right because that's what some of the German people do. This is rudimentary thinking and not as sophisticated as you infer when calling others naive, but that is your prerogative. 2) You claim the AfD are far right and quite happily use names of reference like Hitler and Pinochet etc. when discussing them, so one is lead to believe this is what you insinuate. Nothing to do with me. 3) Yes, but what has that got to do with your smearing of the AfD? 4) Nobody is attacking you, they are asking you questions while you call them naive and "rightists". Yet, you struggle to answer their questions and start playing some kind of victim to deflect your unsubstantiated claims. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 29, 2024 13:17:29 GMT
I do not accuse anyone of being Far-Right, I just warn of the dangers of the Far-Right in government. We have no dangers from any government in the UK as no party here is far right. The Muslim supported parties that recently returned independent MPs is an example of where the real danger currently lies. NO I DON'T. None of that claim was mine, you should pay more attention to accuracy. I exampled the AfD as recognised by the German political system. You would only know if we have a far-right government in the UK, by their actions after forming the government. Hard-right Thatcher did plenty of social and financial damage to the country, so IMO heaven help us if we ever get a far-right government. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 29, 2024 13:42:23 GMT
1. I have been very very clear in terms of my position, that you and other Rightists CHOOSE to ignore my explained position, is a helpful insight into the Rightist mind. 2. I have in no way suggested the insinuation in your first, contrived question, which is just your Rightist way of trying to make yourself feel better. 3. The history of Far-Right nasty extremism speaks for itself. Unfortunately Rightists appear to have a blocking system that blanks out things they have no wish to see, or hear or to read about. 4, Is just a nasty dishonest, as per what Rightists tend to do, attack on myself. Shame on all of you Rightists. Their 'Dark Legend' rules. 1) Yes to call the AfD far-right because that's what some of the German people do. This is rudimentary thinking and not as sophisticated as you infer when calling others naive, but that is your prerogative. 2) You claim the AfD are far right and quite happily use names of reference like Hitler and Pinochet etc. when discussing them, so one is lead to believe this is what you insinuate. Nothing to do with me. 3) Yes, but what has that got to do with your smearing of the AfD? 4) Nobody is attacking you, they are asking you questions while you call them naive and "rightists". Yet, you struggle to answer their questions and start playing some kind of victim to deflect your unsubstantiated claims. 1. Stop being stupid, The German political system refer to the AfD as Far-Right, and I have no control over the German political system. 2, The German political system refers to the AfD as Far-Right, that's not too difficult for you to understand is it? I warn against the Far-Right in government because Far-Right governments in the Western hemisphere have been guilty of unbelievable atrocities against their own citizens. The puzzle is why don't people like yourself also warn of the dangerous areas of Far-Right governments? 3. Stop lying, how is referring to the AfD using using the definition of the German political system, smearing? 4. Name my unsubstantiated claims, I know you can't without making up lies. I have answered all questions but Rightists choose to ignore my answers, possibly because in most cases my answers correct the dishonesty that lays behind the questions. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 29, 2024 18:53:20 GMT
Yes you do, you exampled the AfD as far right and used the opinion of the Germans to confirm that claim. We have no dangers from any government in the UK as no party here is far right. The Muslim supported parties that recently returned independent MPs is an example of where the real danger currently lies. NO I DON'T. None of that claim was mine, you should pay more attention to accuracy. I exampled the AfD as recognised by the German political system. You would only know if we have a far-right government in the UK, by their actions after forming the government. Hard-right Thatcher did plenty of social and financial damage to the country, so IMO heaven help us if we ever get a far-right government. So I am not clear what actual claim you are making other than far right parties are a danger but we do not know they are far right until they get into power. However we could pay attention to the German political system which defines groups as far right but it is unknown exactly why they so define as no stated policies seem to fit the bill. So I agree if we get a far right government we may have a problem but so far I cannot see any danger of that happening in the UK, can you? And if you can how do we recognise that potential far right group? Or is any right leaning group a potential problem? |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 30, 2024 7:07:28 GMT
1) Yes to call the AfD far-right because that's what some of the German people do. This is rudimentary thinking and not as sophisticated as you infer when calling others naive, but that is your prerogative. 2) You claim the AfD are far right and quite happily use names of reference like Hitler and Pinochet etc. when discussing them, so one is lead to believe this is what you insinuate. Nothing to do with me. 3) Yes, but what has that got to do with your smearing of the AfD? 4) Nobody is attacking you, they are asking you questions while you call them naive and "rightists". Yet, you struggle to answer their questions and start playing some kind of victim to deflect your unsubstantiated claims. 1. Stop being stupid, The German political system refer to the AfD as Far-Right, and I have no control over the German political system. 2, The German political system refers to the AfD as Far-Right, that's not too difficult for you to understand is it? I warn against the Far-Right in government because Far-Right governments in the Western hemisphere have been guilty of unbelievable atrocities against their own citizens. The puzzle is why don't people like yourself also warn of the dangerous areas of Far-Right governments? 3. Stop lying, how is referring to the AfD using using the definition of the German political system, smearing? 4. Name my unsubstantiated claims, I know you can't without making up lies. I have answered all questions but Rightists choose to ignore my answers, possibly because in most cases my answers correct the dishonesty that lays behind the questions. 1) Yes, we gathered that you are stupid enough to believe what some Germans believe, but show me where in their policy the AfD are far-right. Try doing some research for yourself instead of parroting others' opinions. 2) What isn't too difficult for me to understand is that you copy how the German political system refer to the AfD, but seeing as you use the words (far-right), and are part of this forum you've been asked on more than one occasion to show why the AfD are far right. Your response to this has been: I can't it's what the German political system say and I just copy them. You may well call me stupid and naive, but the only stupidity on display here is you not backing up your assertion with any credible evidence showing the AfD as far right. 3) You are using the term on here with no evidence to back this up, and plus you infer they are the new Nazi's that's smearing. 4) I've named them throughout the post here above. You have failed to show why you refer to them as "far-right" (other than because other people do it), i.e. you have shown no autonomous thought or critical thinking skills, and on top of that you are very quick to talk about history repeating itself with regards to Nazi's, and waiting for the AfD to get into power before their "fangs" come out. You smear void of evidence and this shows your bias and subjective thinking. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 30, 2024 12:45:17 GMT
And some truly ignorant people can't even be bothered to look it up for themselves. I did , that's how I know you took a c&p directly from wiki Instead of being a clever arse, prove the comment from Wiki is false |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 30, 2024 13:04:39 GMT
I did , that's how I know you took a c&p directly from wiki Instead of being a clever arse, prove the comment from Wiki is false It is not proving it is false it is trying to find where the evidence for the accusation is drawn from in the first place. It may be 'some Germans' it may be even some of the German judiciary, which seems strange they are making political decisions. What we are searching for is what is it about them that makes them far right without going down the circular, inclusive and rather pointless route of because some Germans say so as does some of the German judiciary. They must have based their decision on evidence as labelling them ' a suspected extremist organisation'. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 30, 2024 13:16:01 GMT
1. Stop being stupid, The German political system refer to the AfD as Far-Right, and I have no control over the German political system. 2, The German political system refers to the AfD as Far-Right, that's not too difficult for you to understand is it? I warn against the Far-Right in government because Far-Right governments in the Western hemisphere have been guilty of unbelievable atrocities against their own citizens. The puzzle is why don't people like yourself also warn of the dangerous areas of Far-Right governments? 3. Stop lying, how is referring to the AfD using using the definition of the German political system, smearing? 4. Name my unsubstantiated claims, I know you can't without making up lies. I have answered all questions but Rightists choose to ignore my answers, possibly because in most cases my answers correct the dishonesty that lays behind the questions. 1) Yes, we gathered that you are stupid enough to believe what some Germans believe, but show me where in their policy the AfD are far-right. Try doing some research for yourself instead of parroting others' opinions. 2) What isn't too difficult for me to understand is that you copy how the German political system refer to the AfD, but seeing as you use the words (far-right), and are part of this forum you've been asked on more than one occasion to show why the AfD are far right. Your response to this has been: I can't it's what the German political system say and I just copy them. You may well call me stupid and naive, but the only stupidity on display here is you not backing up your assertion with any credible evidence showing the AfD as far right. 3) You are using the term on here with no evidence to back this up, and plus you infer they are the new Nazi's that's smearing. 4) I've named them throughout the post here above. You have failed to show why you refer to them as "far-right" (other than because other people do it), i.e. you have shown no autonomous thought or critical thinking skills, and on top of that you are very quick to talk about history repeating itself with regards to Nazi's, and waiting for the AfD to get into power before their "fangs" come out. You smear void of evidence and this shows your bias and subjective thinking. 1. You're exposing that 'less than a full shilling' brain of yours again. So you don't know the difference between "some German people" and the 'German electoral system'. 2. The German Electoral System defines the AfD as far right, NOT ME. I never invented the term Far-Right, it exists for a reason. I don't refer to anyone on this boNeeding someone to define Far-Right to you begs the question, What the hell are you doing attempting to debate politics when you don't know the first thing about it? 3. I did not infer they are the new Nazis, Wiki did. The problem I have with Rightists, time and time again, is the repeated lies and denigration they so often use. The 'dark' side of their DNA. 4. I don't refer to anyone on this board as being 'Far-Right' I do use the word 'Rightist' which indicates some posters as being beyond the moderate position of Centre-Right. Just how far beyond is something they themselves may not be fully aware of, until put to the test. My reference to 'before the fangs come out' is a pointer to the fact that seeking election and power is very different from being in power. In power the far-right can build up their control and move into more controversial areas of government. One thing that is guaranteed, a Far-Right government, because it is an extreme opposite to the Far-Left, will split the country creating anger and frustration. What then? |
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