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Post by sandypine on Sept 27, 2024 9:14:18 GMT
If a party is 'far right', you would have thought it would be a simple matter to find either three policies that are very right wing or, alternatively, one policy that is extremely right wing. Labeling moderate-ish parties as extreme is a tactic used by extremists themselves. Which is why I would never do it. For instance, I never claimed or named the German AfD as far right, the German political system did. My message is 'beware of the far right', i.e. don't open opportunities for them to take power. Well you agreed with the German political system when you said "And the last thing I wish to see is the West naively slipping into Rightist thinking, thus opening the path to Rightist extremism, as in the case of the progress made by the German AfG." Perhaps a rather naive assumption on our part to believe you agreed with that take when you used it as an example of a extreme right party. Funny you should trust the German political system now when you have been saying history shows it cannot be trusted. Once again how can we 'be aware' if we have no idea what it is you ask us to be aware of other than what you designate a thing to be aware of. How can we stop thos opportunities if only you, and a select few, are in the know. Beware the Ides of March? Why? I am not telling you. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 27, 2024 9:52:51 GMT
Extreme right wing = bad
Right wing thinking leads to Extreme right wing
Therefore right wing = bad .
Definition of Extreme right wing?
That’s obvious to anyone except right wingers .
Definition of centre politics?
Whatever I think .
It’s a circular argument mixed with quasi religious fervour and delusion .
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 27, 2024 11:21:27 GMT
I did and they don't state any AfD policy which is far-right. The dishonesty in this discussion lies firmly at your door. You go round banding anyone far-right without any shred of evidence, then when pushed you say the 'German people say they are, so take it up with them'. And then when you are found wanting you start banding names like Galtieri, Pinochet, France and Hitler about - how do these figures correlate with what is only your assertion based on 'what the German people say' with the AfD party? If we are so naive, and you are so superior in spotting these far-right extremists, and as Sandy has asked you numerous times what are we supposed to be looking for when playing 'thought police'? As so far, you have no shred of evidence that the party are far-right. Their policies seem sound enough and not too controversial to be democratic enough to vote for. Please, lead us out of our naivety and show us what you allegedly know. 1. A dishonest unprovable comment by you, while pointing the finger of dishonesty at me, tut tut. 2. Its true, the German political system sees the AfG as Far-Right. 3. Galtieri (who apparently went to Mass every day), Pinochet, Franco and Hitler were all from the far-right, they are the proof that Far-Right politics should be avoided. 4. Tut tut, I make no claims about who is far-right, I criticise Rightists, especially those who attempt to defend the Far-Right. I criticise the trend for people to slide to the right of politics because IMO that is a slide into a dangerous area of politics. AfG policies may sound reasonable, but clearly they are not going to show their fangs at this point, you will only see their fangs once they gain control. Remember, there were British and French citizens who were prepared to fight for Nazi Germany. These sort of trashy far-right extremists probably exist in every Western country. Don't encourage them. So to sum up, you don't know the AfD are far-right, you believe this to be because the Germans say so and you believe the AfD will show their "fangs" after election. Sorry, but you don't have a convincing argument. |
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Post by Rebirth on Sept 27, 2024 11:32:41 GMT
Which is why I would never do it. For instance, I never claimed or named the German AfD as far right, the German political system did. My message is 'beware of the far right', i.e. don't open opportunities for them to take power. I guess some posters were hoping you had an opinion of your own. It seems to me that you are opportunistically riding on the coat-tails of an opinion you can't justify. I didn't have any hope of that. It gets off on being shit. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 27, 2024 15:51:22 GMT
1. A dishonest unprovable comment by you, while pointing the finger of dishonesty at me, tut tut. 2. Its true, the German political system sees the AfG as Far-Right. 3. Galtieri (who apparently went to Mass every day), Pinochet, Franco and Hitler were all from the far-right, they are the proof that Far-Right politics should be avoided. 4. Tut tut, I make no claims about who is far-right, I criticise Rightists, especially those who attempt to defend the Far-Right. I criticise the trend for people to slide to the right of politics because IMO that is a slide into a dangerous area of politics. AfG policies may sound reasonable, but clearly they are not going to show their fangs at this point, you will only see their fangs once they gain control. Remember, there were British and French citizens who were prepared to fight for Nazi Germany. These sort of trashy far-right extremists probably exist in every Western country. Don't encourage them. So to sum up, you don't know the AfD are far-right, you believe this to be because the Germans say so and you believe the AfD will show their "fangs" after election. Sorry, but you don't have a convincing argument. The German political system regards the AfD as far right, who are you to suggest the Germans don't recognise far-right when they see it? One does not know just how a government will act until that government is in power, right?  |
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Post by see2 on Sept 27, 2024 15:59:18 GMT
I guess some posters were hoping you had an opinion of your own. It seems to me that you are opportunistically riding on the coat-tails of an opinion you can't justify. I didn't have any hope of that. It gets off on being shit. Your nastiness is an insight into the shit that exists in the Rightist mind. I do have an opinion of my own, I choose not to share it, its as if Rightist shit wants to take away my freedom to choose, do I hear the sound of Jack Boots behind their controlling whinge? |
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Post by see2 on Sept 27, 2024 16:07:06 GMT
Which is why I would never do it. For instance, I never claimed or named the German AfD as far right, the German political system did. My message is 'beware of the far right', i.e. don't open opportunities for them to take power. Well you agreed with the German political system when you said "And the last thing I wish to see is the West naively slipping into Rightist thinking, thus opening the path to Rightist extremism, as in the case of the progress made by the German AfG." Perhaps a rather naive assumption on our part to believe you agreed with that take when you used it as an example of a extreme right party. Funny you should trust the German political system now when you have been saying history shows it cannot be trusted. Once again how can we 'be aware' if we have no idea what it is you ask us to be aware of other than what you designate a thing to be aware of. How can we stop thos opportunities if only you, and a select few, are in the know. Beware the Ides of March? Why? I am not telling you. So far I have only pointed out the German definition of AfG being far-right as an example of the increased slide to the Right in the Western hemisphere. Do you disagree that there is a slide to the Right in the Western hemisphere? I have asked people to be aware of the History of the Far-Right, how did you manage to miss that? |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 27, 2024 17:15:47 GMT
Well you agreed with the German political system when you said "And the last thing I wish to see is the West naively slipping into Rightist thinking, thus opening the path to Rightist extremism, as in the case of the progress made by the German AfG." Perhaps a rather naive assumption on our part to believe you agreed with that take when you used it as an example of a extreme right party. Funny you should trust the German political system now when you have been saying history shows it cannot be trusted. Once again how can we 'be aware' if we have no idea what it is you ask us to be aware of other than what you designate a thing to be aware of. How can we stop thos opportunities if only you, and a select few, are in the know. Beware the Ides of March? Why? I am not telling you. So far I have only pointed out the German definition of AfG being far-right as an example of the increased slide to the Right in the Western hemisphere. Do you disagree that there is a slide to the Right in the Western hemisphere? I have asked people to be aware of the History of the Far-Right, how did you manage to miss that? Tell me what the right consists of and I will tell you. There is a move to Nationalism and to more effective control of immigration all through Europe but then I would not suspect the SNP of being 'far right' nor would I say the Labour party, who have stated that immigration is too high, are of risk as being far right. Being aware of the History of what you seem to believe is the 'far right' indicates that they selected leftish policies as a route to power and promised much to the people like for the many not the few, British jobs for British workers, we will only allow in those we need. |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 28, 2024 4:12:51 GMT
So to sum up, you don't know the AfD are far-right, you believe this to be because the Germans say so and you believe the AfD will show their "fangs" after election. Sorry, but you don't have a convincing argument. The German political system regards the AfD as far right, who are you to suggest the Germans don't recognise far-right when they see it? One does not know just how a government will act until that government is in power, right? So many in Germany believe this. This could have all been settled by your admittance to copy what the say rather than inferring some superiority in your wisdom when calling them far-right, at least now you admit where you copied this from. Correct, not everyone knows how a government will act when it gets power, Labour under Starmer being a case in point. However, you claim to know that the AfD will get their far right "fangs out" once in power. You called everyone else who didn't agree with this naive. Where is your claim coming from in this regard? |
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Post by see2 on Sept 28, 2024 7:56:36 GMT
So far I have only pointed out the German definition of AfG being far-right as an example of the increased slide to the Right in the Western hemisphere. Do you disagree that there is a slide to the Right in the Western hemisphere? I have asked people to be aware of the History of the Far-Right, how did you manage to miss that? Tell me what the right consists of and I will tell you. There is a move to Nationalism and to more effective control of immigration all through Europe but then I would not suspect the SNP of being 'far right' nor would I say the Labour party, who have stated that immigration is too high, are of risk as being far right. Being aware of the History of what you seem to believe is the 'far right' indicates that they selected leftish policies as a route to power and promised much to the people like for the many not the few, British jobs for British workers, we will only allow in those we need. I am not aware of a Western politically moderate country in the 20th century indulging in dictatorship that is guilty of mass murder, torture and or rape of its own citizens, if you know of one, please name it and quote some information on it. The Western murderous dictatorships of the 20th cent. were far right regimes. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 28, 2024 8:03:56 GMT
The German political system regards the AfD as far right, who are you to suggest the Germans don't recognise far-right when they see it? One does not know just how a government will act until that government is in power, right? So many in Germany believe this. This could have all been settled by your admittance to copy what the say rather than inferring some superiority in your wisdom when calling them far-right, at least now you admit where you copied this from. Correct, not everyone knows how a government will act when it gets power, Labour under Starmer being a case in point. However, you claim to know that the AfD will get their far right "fangs out" once in power. You called everyone else who didn't agree with this naive. Where is your claim coming from in this regard? Try Googling it, I did. -- "2024 state elections in East Germany In the 2024 Thuringian state election, the AfD became the first far-right party in Germany since the Nazi Party to win a plurality of seats in a state election. The AfD also performed strongly in Brandenburg and Saxony." -- |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 28, 2024 9:03:29 GMT
So many in Germany believe this. This could have all been settled by your admittance to copy what the say rather than inferring some superiority in your wisdom when calling them far-right, at least now you admit where you copied this from. Correct, not everyone knows how a government will act when it gets power, Labour under Starmer being a case in point. However, you claim to know that the AfD will get their far right "fangs out" once in power. You called everyone else who didn't agree with this naive. Where is your claim coming from in this regard? Try Googling it, I did. -- "2024 state elections in East Germany In the 2024 Thuringian state election, the AfD became the first far-right party in Germany since the Nazi Party to win a plurality of seats in a state election. The AfD also performed strongly in Brandenburg and Saxony." -- Ah, I see how you believe them to be the new Nazi party incarnate. And this is where your prophetic sophistication comes from when you believe that they will carry out atrocities similar to the Nazi party if they get their hands on power. It seems more like paranoia than sophisticated opinion. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 28, 2024 9:32:43 GMT
So many in Germany believe this. This could have all been settled by your admittance to copy what the say rather than inferring some superiority in your wisdom when calling them far-right, at least now you admit where you copied this from. Correct, not everyone knows how a government will act when it gets power, Labour under Starmer being a case in point. However, you claim to know that the AfD will get their far right "fangs out" once in power. You called everyone else who didn't agree with this naive. Where is your claim coming from in this regard? Try Googling it, I did. -- "2024 state elections in East Germany In the 2024 Thuringian state election, the AfD became the first far-right party in Germany since the Nazi Party to win a plurality of seats in a state election. The AfD also performed strongly in Brandenburg and Saxony." -- It says it on the internet so it must be true .😀 Please define far- right and the exact parallels the AfD has to the Nazi party . |
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Post by ratcliff on Sept 28, 2024 10:33:55 GMT
Try Googling it, I did. -- "2024 state elections in East Germany In the 2024 Thuringian state election, the AfD became the first far-right party in Germany since the Nazi Party to win a plurality of seats in a state election. The AfD also performed strongly in Brandenburg and Saxony." -- It says it on the internet so it must be true .😀 Please define far- right and the exact parallels the AfD has to the Nazi party . No it says so on Wiki which is hardly a bastion of reliable facts and figures - only truly ignorant people use Wiki as their first ( and only) point of reference |
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Post by see2 on Sept 28, 2024 14:39:55 GMT
Try Googling it, I did. -- "2024 state elections in East Germany In the 2024 Thuringian state election, the AfD became the first far-right party in Germany since the Nazi Party to win a plurality of seats in a state election. The AfD also performed strongly in Brandenburg and Saxony." -- Ah, I see how you believe them to be the new Nazi party incarnate. And this is where your prophetic sophistication comes from when you believe that they will carry out atrocities similar to the Nazi party if they get their hands on power.It seems more like paranoia than sophisticated opinion. Based upon history, not on your contrived defenses of the Far right, I WARN OF THE POSSIBILE DANGERS. Dangers that are only ignored by fools and the lesser minded naive supporters or defenders of far right political groups, got it? |
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