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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 6, 2024 16:25:11 GMT
As I have repeatedly pointed out, but you seem to have some cognitive dissonance about, Immigration is neither Left-Wing nor Right-Wing; because it is NOT political. It is economic - neo-liberal capitalist economic; and funny enough both the Left and the Right of British Politics have continually adhered to neo-liberal capitalist economics for the last half century. Public Spending and Taxation clearly go hand-in-hand; so it is no surprise to anyone even remotely economically literate that both are high at the same time. Of course there are Non-Political (as in not based on UK political policy) reasons for some of this, the Pandemic for one, the conflict in Ukraine for another. Surveillance is very much a right-wing authoritarian thing. High Regulation, I have long argued that we need simplification of regulation - especially tax regulation, most of which exists to give the wealthy and big business a way to not pay the tax they should be paying. Of course, if everyone was paying they tax they should be paying then overall percentages of taxation could be lower. Because the really rich pay a lesser percentage, the middle and lower classes have to pay a higher Percentage. If you want to blame anyone for your higher taxes look at the rich, not the government. Only a Alt-Right Extremist would think that more diversity, equality and inclusion was a bad thing. Are you sure that is the message you want to be sending about yourself. All The Best So these people are neo-liberal capitalists?      There is an overwhelming undercurrent of Left wing thought that drives immigration in this country. No ifs or buts. These left-wing idiots enable immigration, even if it stems from neo-capitalism policy. It is certainly a Left wing undercurrent and a fantastic excuse for so-called 'economic' reasons. How many of the people in those images directly set either Political or Economic Policy? Would it be NONE. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 6, 2024 16:27:06 GMT
Oh my goodness . All that waffle when your post “ Or we can look at the one thing nearly ALL parties in Europe, whether they are right or left wing, adhere to - neo-liberal capitalism.”“ answered my question “ So neo liberal capitalism is not an indication of a right wing party , right ?”“ with a resounding …” Yes”. Note … I didn’t bother to read the waffle . Probably best, given the previous two sentences you clearly would not have understood it. Of course adhering to NLC does not make automatically make a part "right wing". The shocking thing is that you seem shocked by that. But Like I said, it is clear you can only hold one point of debate in your head at a time, and are not capable of joined-up-thinking. Which is why you so clearly misunderstand, and then misrepresent my posts. Have you managed to worked out why both Left and Right parties adhering to NLC undermines you fucking idiotic argument that right wing parties want to control immigration? I don't think you have, that would require a basic level of joined-up-thinking, and you clearly lack the intellect for that. All The Best Nope . It’s clear that you are shy to answer a question with a single word that you answered in a single sentence … “Or we can look at the one thing nearly ALL parties in Europe, whether they are right or left wing, adhere to - neo-liberal capitalism” I managed work out that you are a bit of a thick twat who tries to hide your fuck ups by verbiage , deflection and projection quite a while ago . You never disappoint. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 6, 2024 16:29:04 GMT
The left wing dickheads in the above pics, and they are left wing dickheads, do not understand what a 'refugee' is.
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 6, 2024 16:33:55 GMT
PV seems to be discounting the obvious. Left- and right-wing governments - insofar as such terminology makes any sense in western liberal democracies - are enthusiastic about mass immigration but for quite different reasons. As he notes, for 'right wingers' immigration is part of the central credo of economic libertarianism; freedom of movement for labour is a fundamental part of their guiding principles and just as important as freedom of movement for products, services and capital. For 'left-wingers' it is a matter of social libertarianism, an expression of the universalist egalitarianism that underlies their central worldview. They both want the same thing for very different reasons. Except it isn't. Old Labour were vehemently opposed to freedom of movement (and greater EU integration), precisely because of the effect it would have on the livelihoods of the "working class". Freedom of movement for goods, services and capital is very much a neo-liberal capitalist thing; in fact it underpins their greatest ideology - Globalisation. The moment Blair turned Labour into New-Tory-Lite-Labour the very notion of a genuine left-wing party in British Politics was dead; and so what we have - the two major parties economically wedded to the principle of more immigration. You want an end to ever more immigration? You need to elect a genuine Left-Wing party - because no right-wing party (short of a fascist party) is ever going to stop immigration; and the British People are NOT fascists. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 6, 2024 16:35:33 GMT
The left wing dickheads in the above pics, and they are left wing dickheads, do not understand what a 'refugee' is. 100% in agreement with you. Economic Migrants are NOT refugees, any Economic Migrants crossing the channel illegally MUST be treated as the criminals they are. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 6, 2024 16:37:48 GMT
How many of the people in those images directly set either Political or Economic Policy? Would it be NONE. All The Best They influence politicians that do. They increase the likelihood that politicians who share their beliefs will directly set political or Economic policy. If you had the intelligence, join up thinking …waffle waffle …you would know that …see I can be a little bitch like PV. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 6, 2024 16:47:02 GMT
How many of the people in those images directly set either Political or Economic Policy? Would it be NONE. All The Best They influence politicians that do. They increase the likelihood that politicians who share their beliefs will directly set political or Economic policy. If you had the intelligence, join up thinking …waffle waffle …you would know that …see I can be a little bitch like PV. Well given that most people want better public services, lower taxation and less immigration the notion that the masses directly influence Political or Economic Policy is really a non-starter. Because no government in my lifetime has every delivered that. Arguably the ONLY time in my lifetime where the opinion of the masses has influenced political policy is the Brexit Referendum. All The Best |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 6, 2024 16:55:12 GMT
100% in agreement with you. Economic Migrants are NOT refugees, any Economic Migrants crossing the channel illegally MUST be treated as the criminals they are. All The Best Excellent. We are in complete accord. A rare but nonetheless welcome moment of consensus. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 6, 2024 16:58:16 GMT
They influence politicians that do. They increase the likelihood that politicians who share their beliefs will directly set political or Economic policy. If you had the intelligence, join up thinking …waffle waffle …you would know that …see I can be a little bitch like PV. Well given that most people want better public services, lower taxation and less immigration the notion that the masses directly influence Political or Economic Policy is really a non-starter. Because no government in my lifetime has every delivered that. Arguably the ONLY time in my lifetime where the opinion of the masses has influenced political policy is the Brexit Referendum. All The Best These people aren’t asking for better public services , lower taxes . They are supporting more immigration . And I’m not addressing what most people want . I’m addressing the extremists/ demonstrators and the influence they have on political/ economic decisions . |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 6, 2024 17:06:50 GMT
You want an end to ever more immigration? You need to elect a genuine Left-Wing party - because no right-wing party (short of a fascist party) is ever going to stop immigration; and the British People are NOT fascists. All The Best What left-wing political parties in the UK are in favour of stopping immigration? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 6, 2024 21:00:22 GMT
Old Labour were vehemently opposed to freedom of movement (and greater EU integration), precisely because of the effect it would have on the livelihoods of the "working class". Freedom of movement for goods, services and capital is very much a neo-liberal capitalist thing; in fact it underpins their greatest ideology - Globalisation. The moment Blair turned Labour into New-Tory-Lite-Labour the very notion of a genuine left-wing party in British Politics was dead; and so what we have - the two major parties economically wedded to the principle of more immigration. You want an end to ever more immigration? You need to elect a genuine Left-Wing party - because no right-wing party (short of a fascist party) is ever going to stop immigration; and the British People are NOT fascists. All The Best Old Labour expired decades ago.
The 'genuine' left-wing party you appear to be suggesting is the only way in which mass immigration can be halted simply doesn't exist in any western liberal democracy, and has not done since the 1930s. And there is no prospect of one ever coming to pass; what now presents itself as 'left wing' - such as the parliamentary Labour Party - is not anything that (white) working class voters could ever be persuaded can be depended upon to act in its interests rather than that of the myriad 'oppressed minority groups' which now form its core clientele today.
You are correct in believing that something other than one of the current mainstream parties is required. Whether you choose to depict that is as a 'fascist' solution or not depends rather upon how serious you are about wanting to solve the problem.
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 12, 2024 10:45:47 GMT
In what way exactly is our job market 'unregulated' Have you not seen the power HMRC has been given in the past ten years to snoop Jeses THEY already know how much fucking interest I have earned from my bank accounts a year before I get a fuckingcststement telling me. We are the Orwellian state Eric said we would become |
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