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Post by Bentley on Sept 5, 2024 12:51:13 GMT
It seems to be a very narrow spectrum view on a website that suits PVs world view . You have any actual evidence that PC's methodology is in anyway flawed. All The Best …narrow spectrum…….does their ‘ methodology include woke , Green politics, multiculturalism, identity politics,lgbgt+ ? I didn’t see it.
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 5, 2024 12:58:46 GMT
You have any actual evidence that PC's methodology is in anyway flawed. All The Best …narrow spectrum…….does their ‘ methodology include woke , Green politics, multiculturalism, identity politics,lgbgt+ ? I didn’t see it. You are aware, I hope, that a competent polling system doesn't need those exact words to uncover the sentiments and ideologies that underpin those things. Have you been through the questionnaire? I have taken it numerous times, and my political views have shifted significantly over the years. All The Best
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 5, 2024 13:02:50 GMT
Anyone who seriously thinks the Cameron, May or Johnson governments were right wing, doesn't understand what a right wing government is. Anyone who thinks they weren't is clearly Extreme-Right-Wing. Political Compass takes policy areas and plots them on a matrix, based on policy - NOT public opinion - those governments were right-wing. All The Best I see, so in your expert opinion I am in-fact an ultra nationalist fascist and or, Nazi. We have not had a 'right wing' government in my lifetime. Thatcher was a centre right Conservative, Cameron, May and Johnson were most certainly, not. In recent years the only leaders of the Conservative party who were centre right were Iain Duncan Smith and Michael Howard.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 5, 2024 14:01:03 GMT
…narrow spectrum…….does their ‘ methodology include woke , Green politics, multiculturalism, identity politics,lgbgt+ ? I didn’t see it. You are aware, I hope, that a competent polling system doesn't need those exact words to uncover the sentiments and ideologies that underpin those things. Have you been through the questionnaire? I have taken it numerous times, and my political views have shifted significantly over the years. All The Best Ok , so they haven’t then.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 5, 2024 14:37:14 GMT
What right-wing governments?. We have only had mass immigration since the Blair Government and we certainly have not had a right-wing government since then.. Yes we have, the Cameron / Osborne government was Right-Wing. Cameron's 2010 Government was clearly right-wing. Cameron's 2015 Government was clearly right-wing. Theresa May's 2017 Government was clearly right-wing. Boris Johnson's 2019 Government was clearly right-wing. What you and your fellow alt-right travellers mean by "right wing" is actually extreme American/Italy-esque right-wing. Heck even the 2024 losing Conservatives were right-wing and so was Labour by the way. All The Best Hmm.. So record levels of immigration are right wing, record levels of public spending are right wing, record levels of taxation are right wing, record levels of surveillance are right wing, record levels of regulation are right wing, record levels of Diversity, Equality and Inclusion are right wing, ..is there anything that to you is not right-wing?
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 5, 2024 15:13:00 GMT
Yes we have, the Cameron / Osborne government was Right-Wing. Cameron's 2010 Government was clearly right-wing. Cameron's 2015 Government was clearly right-wing. Theresa May's 2017 Government was clearly right-wing. Boris Johnson's 2019 Government was clearly right-wing. What you and your fellow alt-right travellers mean by "right wing" is actually extreme American/Italy-esque right-wing. Heck even the 2024 losing Conservatives were right-wing and so was Labour by the way. All The Best Hmm.. So record levels of immigration are right wing, record levels of public spending are right wing, record levels of taxation are right wing, record levels of surveillance are right wing, record levels of regulation are right wing, record levels of Diversity, Equality and Inclusion are right wing, ..is there anything that to you is not right-wing? As I have repeatedly pointed out, but you seem to have some cognitive dissonance about, Immigration is neither Left-Wing nor Right-Wing; because it is NOT political. It is economic - neo-liberal capitalist economic; and funny enough both the Left and the Right of British Politics have continually adhered to neo-liberal capitalist economics for the last half century. Public Spending and Taxation clearly go hand-in-hand; so it is no surprise to anyone even remotely economically literate that both are high at the same time. Of course there are Non-Political (as in not based on UK political policy) reasons for some of this, the Pandemic for one, the conflict in Ukraine for another. Surveillance is very much a right-wing authoritarian thing. High Regulation, I have long argued that we need simplification of regulation - especially tax regulation, most of which exists to give the wealthy and big business a way to not pay the tax they should be paying. Of course, if everyone was paying they tax they should be paying then overall percentages of taxation could be lower. Because the really rich pay a lesser percentage, the middle and lower classes have to pay a higher Percentage. If you want to blame anyone for your higher taxes look at the rich, not the government. Only a Alt-Right Extremist would think that more diversity, equality and inclusion was a bad thing. Are you sure that is the message you want to be sending about yourself. All The Best
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Post by Bentley on Sept 5, 2024 16:40:17 GMT
Hmm.. So record levels of immigration are right wing, record levels of public spending are right wing, record levels of taxation are right wing, record levels of surveillance are right wing, record levels of regulation are right wing, record levels of Diversity, Equality and Inclusion are right wing, ..is there anything that to you is not right-wing? As I have repeatedly pointed out, but you seem to have some cognitive dissonance about, Immigration is neither Left-Wing nor Right-Wing; because it is NOT political. It is economic - neo-liberal capitalist economic; and funny enough both the Left and the Right of British Politics have continually adhered to neo-liberal capitalist economics for the last half century. Public Spending and Taxation clearly go hand-in-hand; so it is no surprise to anyone even remotely economically literate that both are high at the same time. Of course there are Non-Political (as in not based on UK political policy) reasons for some of this, the Pandemic for one, the conflict in Ukraine for another. Surveillance is very much a right-wing authoritarian thing. High Regulation, I have long argued that we need simplification of regulation - especially tax regulation, most of which exists to give the wealthy and big business a way to not pay the tax they should be paying. Of course, if everyone was paying they tax they should be paying then overall percentages of taxation could be lower. Because the really rich pay a lesser percentage, the middle and lower classes have to pay a higher Percentage. If you want to blame anyone for your higher taxes look at the rich, not the government. Only a Alt-Right Extremist would think that more diversity, equality and inclusion was a bad thing. Are you sure that is the message you want to be sending about yourself. All The Best lol.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 5, 2024 17:03:31 GMT
As I have repeatedly pointed out, but you seem to have some cognitive dissonance about, Immigration is neither Left-Wing nor Right-Wing; because it is NOT political. It is economic - neo-liberal capitalist economic; and funny enough both the Left and the Right of British Politics have continually adhered to neo-liberal capitalist economics for the last half century. LOL - you do come out with some nonsense. Every right-wing party in Europe wants to reduce immigration... High spending and taxation is a choice - right-wing parties continually advocate for lower taxes and spending. Oh do leave it out - next you will be telling us that East Germany, Russia, North Korea and China were all right-wing dictatorships. The most regulated area on the planet is the EU - which certainly is not a right-wing project. In fact most right-wing parties across the EU have considered leaving it. The NHS Spends over £40 Million a year on DEI roles that do absolutely nothing as regards healing the sick - but that is considered more important by those on the left who believe that promoting their woke credentials is more important than doing the actual job.
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 5, 2024 17:14:01 GMT
As I have repeatedly pointed out, but you seem to have some cognitive dissonance about, Immigration is neither Left-Wing nor Right-Wing; because it is NOT political. It is economic - neo-liberal capitalist economic; and funny enough both the Left and the Right of British Politics have continually adhered to neo-liberal capitalist economics for the last half century. LOL - you do come out with some nonsense. Every right-wing party in Europe wants to reduce immigration... If they all want it how come they have all been so bad at achieving it? I mean they are either all utterly incompetent, or they don't really want it. And given nearly all of them espouse Neo-Liberal Capitalism guess what... ...they DON'T want it. All The Best
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Post by Bentley on Sept 5, 2024 17:23:37 GMT
LOL - you do come out with some nonsense. Every right-wing party in Europe wants to reduce immigration... If they all want it how come they have all been so bad at achieving it? I mean they are either all utterly incompetent, or they don't really want it. And given nearly all of them espouse Neo-Liberal Capitalism guess what... ...they DON'T want it. All The Best Once again you are insisting that right wing equals YOUR definition ( Right-libertarianism) and no one else’s . Most right wing parties see mass immigration as toxic ..and for good reason . But you know better.
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Post by Rebirth on Sept 5, 2024 17:28:26 GMT
If they all want it how come they have all been so bad at achieving it? I mean they are either all utterly incompetent, or they don't really want it. And given nearly all of them espouse Neo-Liberal Capitalism guess what... ...they DON'T want it. All The Best Once again you are insisting that right wing equals YOUR definition ( Right-libertarianism) and no one else’s . Most right wing parties see mass immigration as toxic ..and for good reason . But you know better. Yep, he can't seem to distinguish between the voices in his head and objective reality. My guess is that he's an irrationalist.
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 5, 2024 17:50:48 GMT
If they all want it how come they have all been so bad at achieving it? I mean they are either all utterly incompetent, or they don't really want it. And given nearly all of them espouse Neo-Liberal Capitalism guess what... ...they DON'T want it. All The Best Once again you are insisting that right wing equals YOUR definition ( Right-libertarianism) and no one else’s . Most right wing parties see mass immigration as toxic ..and for good reason . But you know better. I mean I showed an impartial plotting of differing parties political stances, and you rejected it because the conclusion about what makes something "right wing" doesn't meet YOUR definition of "right wing". Of course your "Most right wing parties see mass immigration as toxic" is also only YOUR definition. So we can pretend that "right wing" means "anti immigration" even though no party in decades anywhere in Europe has done anything meaningful to reduce immigration, even though by your definition they should have done so. It is simply impossible to pretend that there have been no right-wing governments at all in either Europe or the UK over the last half-decade. However, immigration has been constantly increasing. Or we can look at the one thing nearly ALL parties in Europe, whether they are right or left wing, adhere to - neo-liberal capitalism. We can understand that for various reason neo-liberal capitalism require more, not less, immigration. We can then ask does that fit the available evidence of no government doing anything meaningful to curtail immigration, and in fact most of them presiding over ever increasing immigration. If your theory does not fit the evidence it is always because your theory is wrong, or you don't understand the evidence. Some of you need a guide to critical thinking way more than you need access to a forum. All The Best
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Post by Bentley on Sept 5, 2024 18:07:55 GMT
Once again you are insisting that right wing equals YOUR definition ( Right-libertarianism) and no one else’s . Most right wing parties see mass immigration as toxic ..and for good reason . But you know better. I mean I showed an impartial plotting of differing parties political stances, and you rejected it because the conclusion about what makes something "right wing" doesn't meet YOUR definition of "right wing". Of course your "Most right wing parties see mass immigration as toxic" is also only YOUR definition. So we can pretend that "right wing" means "anti immigration" even though no party in decades anywhere in Europe has done anything meaningful to reduce immigration, even though by your definition they should have done so. It is simply impossible to pretend that there have been no right-wing governments at all in either Europe or the UK over the last half-decade. However, immigration has been constantly increasing. Or we can look at the one thing nearly ALL parties in Europe, whether they are right or left wing, adhere to - neo-liberal capitalism. We can understand that for various reason neo-liberal capitalism require more, not less, immigration. We can then ask does that fit the available evidence of no government doing anything meaningful to curtail immigration, and in fact most of them presiding over ever increasing immigration. If your theory does not fit the evidence it is always because your theory is wrong, or you don't understand the evidence. Some of you need a guide to critical thinking way more than you need access to a forum. All The Best Not mine . It’s a view that is reflected in most of more right wing posters on here and one that most right wing parties canvass . You are the soldier marching out of step with the group and telling everyone else that they are bad soldiers . As an aside ..you ..”Or we can look at the one thing nearly ALL parties in Europe, whether they are right or left wing, adhere to - neo-liberal capitalism.” So neo liberal capitalism is not an indication of a right wing party , right ?
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 5, 2024 19:59:41 GMT
I mean I showed an impartial plotting of differing parties political stances, and you rejected it because the conclusion about what makes something "right wing" doesn't meet YOUR definition of "right wing". Of course your "Most right wing parties see mass immigration as toxic" is also only YOUR definition. So we can pretend that "right wing" means "anti immigration" even though no party in decades anywhere in Europe has done anything meaningful to reduce immigration, even though by your definition they should have done so. It is simply impossible to pretend that there have been no right-wing governments at all in either Europe or the UK over the last half-decade. However, immigration has been constantly increasing. Or we can look at the one thing nearly ALL parties in Europe, whether they are right or left wing, adhere to - neo-liberal capitalism. We can understand that for various reason neo-liberal capitalism require more, not less, immigration. We can then ask does that fit the available evidence of no government doing anything meaningful to curtail immigration, and in fact most of them presiding over ever increasing immigration. If your theory does not fit the evidence it is always because your theory is wrong, or you don't understand the evidence. Some of you need a guide to critical thinking way more than you need access to a forum. All The Best Not mine . It’s a view that is reflected in most of more right wing posters on here and one that most right wing parties canvass . You are the soldier marching out of step with the group and telling everyone else that they are bad soldiers . As an aside ..you ..”Or we can look at the one thing nearly ALL parties in Europe, whether they are right or left wing, adhere to - neo-liberal capitalism.” So neo liberal capitalism is not an indication of a right wing party , right ?Well, every Labour Government since Blair has espoused neo-liberal capitalism. Do you consider Blair and Starmer's government "right wing"? Every Government currently in power in Europe also espouse neo-liberal capitalism. DO you consider all of them to be "right-wing"? All The Best
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Post by Bentley on Sept 5, 2024 20:07:21 GMT
Not mine . It’s a view that is reflected in most of more right wing posters on here and one that most right wing parties canvass . You are the soldier marching out of step with the group and telling everyone else that they are bad soldiers . As an aside ..you ..”Or we can look at the one thing nearly ALL parties in Europe, whether they are right or left wing, adhere to - neo-liberal capitalism.” So neo liberal capitalism is not an indication of a right wing party , right ?Well, every Labour Government since Blair has espoused neo-liberal capitalism. Do you consider Blair and Starmer's government "right wing"? Every Government currently in power in Europe also espouse neo-liberal capitalism. DO you consider all of them to be "right-wing"? All The Best I repeat “So neo liberal capitalism is not an indication of a right wing party , right ?”
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