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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 4, 2024 20:46:34 GMT
No - it's a political choice. Unfortunately left wing politics rule at the moment and the idea of deporting illegals is not very high on the priority list. Well, if it was a political choice (and it very obviously isn't) you'd expect it to change somewhat when the ruling political party changes. It hasn't changed. So we have to look at a root cause that also hasn't changed, even when the ruling political party has changed. There is a very obvious one - both ruling parties' constant adherence to Neo-Liberal Capitalism. Deporting illegals has NEVER been high on the priority list - that is why the Tories chose a "policy" they knew would not survive unchallenged. The two years with the highest net immigration numbers both happened under Tory governments. The economic need for more and more immigration will always trump the societal and political need to restrict immigration as long as the ruling party continues to adhere to maintaining a neo-liberal capitalist economy. Immigration being an economic choice is the ONLY explanation that fits the evidence of the last 40 odd years. All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 4, 2024 21:30:24 GMT
No - it's a political choice. Unfortunately left wing politics rule at the moment and the idea of deporting illegals is not very high on the priority list. The boat people are the fault of Theresa May who forgot to include a returns policy in her withdrawal agreement .The previous agreement ended with us leaving the EU and should have been one of many red lines for any post Brexit deals . Another fuck up by the tories in 'getting brexit done' . But yes the left will be well happy with how its gone along with a green light to 'fix' any problems by falling back into the clutches of Brussels . We won a Battle in 2016 , the war is ongoing . We had a returns agreement when we were in the EU - it didn't work. So the idea that we were going to get a returns agreement that meant anything after we had left is rather far-fetched. It is up to us to defend our borders - it is a political decision not to and until the current crop of politicians are replaced that open doors policy will continue. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 4, 2024 21:36:22 GMT
No - it's a political choice. Unfortunately left wing politics rule at the moment and the idea of deporting illegals is not very high on the priority list. Well, if it was a political choice (and it very obviously isn't) you'd expect it to change somewhat when the ruling political party changes. It hasn't changed. So we have to look at a root cause that also hasn't changed, even when the ruling political party has changed. There is a very obvious one - both ruling parties' constant adherence to Neo-Liberal Capitalism. Deporting illegals has NEVER been high on the priority list - that is why the Tories chose a "policy" they knew would not survive unchallenged. The two years with the highest net immigration numbers both happened under Tory governments. The economic need for more and more immigration will always trump the societal and political need to restrict immigration as long as the ruling party continues to adhere to maintaining a neo-liberal capitalist economy. Immigration being an economic choice is the ONLY explanation that fits the evidence of the last 40 odd years. All The Best Don't be daft - of course it is a political choice. All centre and left-wing political parties want mass immigration - if you change the political leadership of a country then you can change the immigration policy. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 5, 2024 7:01:23 GMT
No - it's a political choice. Unfortunately left wing politics rule at the moment and the idea of deporting illegals is not very high on the priority list. Well, if it was a political choice (and it very obviously isn't) you'd expect it to change somewhat when the ruling political party changes. It hasn't changed. So we have to look at a root cause that also hasn't changed, even when the ruling political party has changed. There is a very obvious one - both ruling parties' constant adherence to Neo-Liberal Capitalism. Deporting illegals has NEVER been high on the priority list - that is why the Tories chose a "policy" they knew would not survive unchallenged. The two years with the highest net immigration numbers both happened under Tory governments. The economic need for more and more immigration will always trump the societal and political need to restrict immigration as long as the ruling party continues to adhere to maintaining a neo-liberal capitalist economy. Immigration being an economic choice is the ONLY explanation that fits the evidence of the last 40 odd years. All The Best Which makes it a political choice if they adhere to a political outlook. This also makes it worse in that they (the political party) are deliberately misleading the public by stating openly they will do something to significantly lower immigration or, as all governments since 1997 have done, state they will deliver controlled immigration as regards only those we 'need' and often at the level of tens of thousands. How governments have operated indicates that either gross incompetence is the order of the day or that, if what you say is true, there is an overarching deliberate plan to mislead the electorate and adopt policies at odds with what they state is their intent. On such things do revolutions occur. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 5, 2024 8:11:20 GMT
Successive governments have been able to execute their plans to promote and implement their various schemes for a multicultural state secure in the knowledge that if there is one thing the British people are not it is a revolutionary society.
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 5, 2024 9:57:23 GMT
Well, if it was a political choice (and it very obviously isn't) you'd expect it to change somewhat when the ruling political party changes. It hasn't changed. So we have to look at a root cause that also hasn't changed, even when the ruling political party has changed. There is a very obvious one - both ruling parties' constant adherence to Neo-Liberal Capitalism. Deporting illegals has NEVER been high on the priority list - that is why the Tories chose a "policy" they knew would not survive unchallenged. The two years with the highest net immigration numbers both happened under Tory governments. The economic need for more and more immigration will always trump the societal and political need to restrict immigration as long as the ruling party continues to adhere to maintaining a neo-liberal capitalist economy. Immigration being an economic choice is the ONLY explanation that fits the evidence of the last 40 odd years. All The Best Don't be daft - of course it is a political choice. All centre and left-wing political parties want mass immigration - if you change the political leadership of a country then you can change the immigration policy. Which ignores the point I made that we have had Right Wing governments in the last 40 years and they also dis absolutely nothing about immigration. The one thing they pretended to try, Rwanda, was a non-starter, and they had been told that right from the start; but they pushed ahead anyway, wasting money of a scheme they knew would fail. Why? Because they don't wasn't to control immigration either. Because both the Tories and Labour are wedded to a neo-liberal capitalist economy. And neo-liberal capitalist economies need excess labour. All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 5, 2024 10:48:56 GMT
Don't be daft - of course it is a political choice. All centre and left-wing political parties want mass immigration - if you change the political leadership of a country then you can change the immigration policy. Which ignores the point I made that we have had Right Wing governments in the last 40 years and they also dis absolutely nothing about immigration. The one thing they pretended to try, Rwanda, was a non-starter, and they had been told that right from the start; but they pushed ahead anyway, wasting money of a scheme they knew would fail. Why? Because they don't wasn't to control immigration either. Because both the Tories and Labour are wedded to a neo-liberal capitalist economy. And neo-liberal capitalist economies need excess labour. All The Best What right-wing governments?. We have only had mass immigration since the Blair Government and we certainly have not had a right-wing government since then.. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 5, 2024 11:53:25 GMT
Successive governments have been able to execute their plans to promote and implement their various schemes for a multicultural state secure in the knowledge that if there is one thing the British people are not it is a revolutionary society. It could eventually be a Straw Dogs type situation where the tolerant one is pushed to the limit and reacts at the final insult to his well being. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 5, 2024 12:18:11 GMT
Which ignores the point I made that we have had Right Wing governments in the last 40 years and they also dis absolutely nothing about immigration. The one thing they pretended to try, Rwanda, was a non-starter, and they had been told that right from the start; but they pushed ahead anyway, wasting money of a scheme they knew would fail. Why? Because they don't wasn't to control immigration either. Because both the Tories and Labour are wedded to a neo-liberal capitalist economy. And neo-liberal capitalist economies need excess labour. All The Best What right-wing governments?. We have only had mass immigration since the Blair Government and we certainly have not had a right-wing government since then.. Yes we have, the Cameron / Osborne government was Right-Wing. Cameron's 2010 Government was clearly right-wing. Cameron's 2015 Government was clearly right-wing. Theresa May's 2017 Government was clearly right-wing. Boris Johnson's 2019 Government was clearly right-wing. What you and your fellow alt-right travellers mean by "right wing" is actually extreme American/Italy-esque right-wing. Heck even the 2024 losing Conservatives were right-wing and so was Labour by the way. All The Best |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 5, 2024 12:31:48 GMT
What right-wing governments?. We have only had mass immigration since the Blair Government and we certainly have not had a right-wing government since then.. Yes we have, the Cameron / Osborne government was Right-Wing. Cameron's 2010 Government was clearly right-wing. Cameron's 2015 Government was clearly right-wing. Theresa May's 2017 Government was clearly right-wing. Boris Johnson's 2019 Government was clearly right-wing. What you and your fellow alt-right travellers mean by "right wing" is actually extreme American/Italy-esque right-wing. Heck even the 2024 losing Conservatives were right-wing and so was Labour by the way. All The Best Anyone who seriously thinks the Cameron, May or Johnson governments were right wing, doesn't understand what a right wing government is. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 5, 2024 12:31:57 GMT
Personally I think left and right wing are subjective concepts .
Che Guevara, Noam Chomsky and purple haired lesbians groomed on critical race theory , Green politics and postmodernism can all be considered left wing .
But if anyone wants the website called ‘ The political compass ‘ to be the arbiters then good luck to them .
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Post by Bentley on Sept 5, 2024 12:33:15 GMT
Yes we have, the Cameron / Osborne government was Right-Wing. Cameron's 2010 Government was clearly right-wing. Cameron's 2015 Government was clearly right-wing. Theresa May's 2017 Government was clearly right-wing. Boris Johnson's 2019 Government was clearly right-wing. What you and your fellow alt-right travellers mean by "right wing" is actually extreme American/Italy-esque right-wing. Heck even the 2024 losing Conservatives were right-wing and so was Labour by the way. All The Best Anyone who seriously thinks the Cameron, May or Johnson governments were right wing, doesn't understand what a right wing government is. It seems to be a very narrow spectrum view on a website that suits PVs world view . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 5, 2024 12:39:36 GMT
As an aside; it was reported yesterday that this "tragedy in the channel" was hardly mentioned by the media in France. It was apparently reported as a low interest item by some local media sources in the immediate area, but nationally the French and the EU for that matter, aren't bothered about illegals drowning in the channel. But for some reason, we should be.
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 5, 2024 12:46:33 GMT
Yes we have, the Cameron / Osborne government was Right-Wing. Cameron's 2010 Government was clearly right-wing. Cameron's 2015 Government was clearly right-wing. Theresa May's 2017 Government was clearly right-wing. Boris Johnson's 2019 Government was clearly right-wing. What you and your fellow alt-right travellers mean by "right wing" is actually extreme American/Italy-esque right-wing. Heck even the 2024 losing Conservatives were right-wing and so was Labour by the way. All The Best Anyone who seriously thinks the Cameron, May or Johnson governments were right wing, doesn't understand what a right wing government is. Anyone who thinks they weren't is clearly Extreme-Right-Wing. Political Compass takes policy areas and plots them on a matrix, based on policy - NOT public opinion - those governments were right-wing. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 5, 2024 12:47:55 GMT
Anyone who seriously thinks the Cameron, May or Johnson governments were right wing, doesn't understand what a right wing government is. It seems to be a very narrow spectrum view on a website that suits PVs world view . You have any actual evidence that PC's methodology is in anyway flawed. All The Best |
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