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Post by oracle75 on Dec 19, 2022 11:27:47 GMT
Harmonised standards means that every EU country produces specified standards of goods AND SERVICES. One homogenous mass of sameness, one currency, one anthem, one unelected president, one court, one law. No differences, no dissimilarity, no individuality, no distinction. Each subservient EU state increasingly governed from Brussels, the capital of the United States of Europe. This may be your idea of the future, it's my idea of hell and I assure you Einy, I'm in good company. Thank god we are out of it. One currency means that all the 27 trade on a level playing field and that the combined wealth of the EU keeps the value of that currency high. Each of the 27 still have their own anthem, sports teams, musical associations, constitutions, regional languages and dialects, symbols, identities, and architecture which makes them very unique. And they ate proud of the differences. I don't know why you say ONE UNELECTED PRESIDENT. President of what? There are three and all openly elected. I doubt you could say the Prime Minister of the UK was democratically elected for the last 3 years. Each country has one legal court system as described in its Constitution. Which was democratically agreed. In the EU the courts and laws have to do only with issues decided by the EU. Almost all are either to do with trade or standards. Most legal situations are dealt with in each country. The EU is what the members vote for it to be. It is not a thing with its own mind. To be honest I don't see a great deal of progress in the UK now it is left on its own. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 19, 2022 11:30:03 GMT
I travelled around Europe before and after the EU removed borders, flooded Europe with migrants or 'harmonised currencies'. In those days European countries had an identity, their own identity. They felt different to other European countries. These days you could be sitting in any town square drinking the same beer bought with the same currency in any EU state across Europe, and you can drive to any of them without showing a passport or any form of ID, which is great for illegals and terrorists. And it all worked so well, didn't it, Red? All that wonderful nationalism was an outstanding success for all concerned. A united Europe has been tried before Einy, see Napoleon & Hitler. As Mikhail Gorbachev famously said: The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 19, 2022 11:33:44 GMT
And it all worked so well, didn't it, Red? All that wonderful nationalism was an outstanding success for all concerned. A united Europe has been tried before Einy, see Napoleon & Hitler. As Mikhail Gorbachev famously said: The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe. You are a marvel, Red. You spent most of your working life in the army and you still don't recognise the difference between countries coming together voluntarily and countries being joined by military force. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 19, 2022 11:37:15 GMT
A hard border between Northern Ireland and Eire will see a resurgence in terrorism. Well the EU certainly hope so. You think so? One currency, one law imposed from Brussels, one unelected president, one anthem, one flag, one court. What does the EU's modus operandi suggest to you Monte? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 19, 2022 11:38:12 GMT
A united Europe has been tried before Einy, see Napoleon & Hitler. As Mikhail Gorbachev famously said: The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe. You are a marvel, Red. You spent most of your working life in the army and you still don't recognise the difference between countries coming together voluntarily and countries being joined by military force. LOL, you're having a laugh. How many countries voted to join a political union? |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 19, 2022 11:39:36 GMT
Harmonised standards means that every EU country produces specified standards of goods AND SERVICES. Businesses in a non EU country which trades through the WTO can decide where it invests. Countries don't trade with each other, they agree the terms and conditions that BUSINESSES use to trade under. The graph above represents a success for EU businesses and clearly shows a growth in the EU's overall trade with non EU countries with which they have made more trade deals and which expect EU standards in their imports from the 27 , which is why they trade with EU countries. The EU always planned to enlarge its trading partners. Why settle for just 27? But those trade deals also lay down agreed standards for the non EU countries too so that EU consumers know what they consume is up to EU standards. They help non EU countries to meet high standards and squeeze out poor quality. Countries outside the 27 do match EU standards by way of trade agreements. There are more trade agreements than there are EU members, so it is quite expected that trade grows outside the single market. The UK's exports to the 27 weren't falling, they were overtaken by the UK's trade with non EU countries via EU trade deals. I'll try the same question - if harmonised standards are as important as some claim then why did our trade with the EU (where we do have harmonised standards) fall behind our trade with non-EU countries (where we dont have harmonised standards). Perhaps other issues are more important? |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 19, 2022 11:40:08 GMT
And it all worked so well, didn't it, Red? All that wonderful nationalism was an outstanding success for all concerned. A united Europe has been tried before Einy, see Napoleon & Hitler. As Mikhail Gorbachev famously said: The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe. Do you really not understand the difference between conquest and a unification of standards, currency and regulations? I must have missed the World at War episode where Hitler demanded that cucumbers must be straighter and strawberries should be larger than 18mm. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 19, 2022 11:40:47 GMT
One currency means that all the 27 trade on a level playing field and that the combined wealth of the EU keeps the value of that currency high. Each of the 27 still have their own anthem, sports teams, musical associations, constitutions, regional languages and dialects, symbols, identities, and architecture which makes them very unique. And they ate proud of the differences. I don't know why you say ONE UNELECTED PRESIDENT. President of what? There are three and all openly elected. I doubt you could say the Prime Minister of the UK was democratically elected for the last 3 years. Each country has one legal court system as described in its Constitution. Which was democratically agreed. In the EU the courts and laws have to do only with issues decided by the EU. Almost all are either to do with trade or standards. Most legal situations are dealt with in each country. The EU is what the members vote for it to be. It is not a thing with its own mind. To be honest I don't see a great deal of progress in the UK now it is left on its own. Oracle75, I refer you to my previous two answers. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 19, 2022 11:41:55 GMT
I travelled around Europe before and after the EU removed borders, flooded Europe with migrants or 'harmonised currencies'. In those days European countries had an identity, their own identity. They felt different to other European countries. These days you could be sitting in any town square drinking the same beer bought with the same currency in any EU state across Europe, and you can drive to any of them without showing a passport or any form of ID, which is great for illegals and terrorists. A hard border between Northern Ireland and Eire will see a resurgence in terrorism. not an issue as nobody is suggesting a hard border between NI and Eire |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 19, 2022 11:42:18 GMT
A united Europe has been tried before Einy, see Napoleon & Hitler. As Mikhail Gorbachev famously said: The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe. Do you really not understand the difference between conquest and a unification of standards, currency and regulations? I must have missed the World at War episode where Hitler demanded that cucumbers must be straighter and strawberries should be larger than 18mm. The EU may not have rolled over Europe with tanks, but lets not pretend people had a choice. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 19, 2022 11:45:37 GMT
An interesting half hour, however I'm being summoned by her who must be obeyed.  |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 19, 2022 11:46:24 GMT
A hard border between Northern Ireland and Eire will see a resurgence in terrorism. Well the EU certainly hope so. You think so? One currency, one law imposed from Brussels, one unelected president, one anthem, one flag, one court. What does the EU's modus operandi suggest to you Monte? So that was the EU anthem the French sang along to be fore the World Cup final yesterday was it? Sounded a lot like La Marseillaise to me. Ever heard the phrase Crown Court? Who is the King of the EU Red? You think Germans are sitting in Dortmund bars drinking San Miguel and the most popular beer in Athens is Guinness? |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 19, 2022 11:48:48 GMT
Do you really not understand the difference between conquest and a unification of standards, currency and regulations? I must have missed the World at War episode where Hitler demanded that cucumbers must be straighter and strawberries should be larger than 18mm. The EU may not have rolled over Europe with tanks, but lets not pretend people had a choice. Is that why the most popular dish in British pub is now Moules frite? Bloody Brussels... |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 19, 2022 11:52:36 GMT
You are a marvel, Red. You spent most of your working life in the army and you still don't recognise the difference between countries coming together voluntarily and countries being joined by military force. LOL, you're having a laugh. How many countries voted to join a political union? Those with written constitutions. It's not the EU's fault that the UK is one of the least democratic countries in Western Europe. The UK has an anachronistic system that makes Parliament rather than the people sovereign. There was absolutely nothing the EU could have done about that. |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 19, 2022 11:57:54 GMT
One currency means that all the 27 trade on a level playing field and that the combined wealth of the EU keeps the value of that currency high. Each of the 27 still have their own anthem, sports teams, musical associations, constitutions, regional languages and dialects, symbols, identities, and architecture which makes them very unique. And they ate proud of the differences. I don't know why you say ONE UNELECTED PRESIDENT. President of what? There are three and all openly elected. I doubt you could say the Prime Minister of the UK was democratically elected for the last 3 years. Each country has one legal court system as described in its Constitution. Which was democratically agreed. In the EU the courts and laws have to do only with issues decided by the EU. Almost all are either to do with trade or standards. Most legal situations are dealt with in each country. The EU is what the members vote for it to be. It is not a thing with its own mind. To be honest I don't see a great deal of progress in the UK now it is left on its own. Oracle75, I refer you to my previous two answers. There are some who are not interested in anything which chips away at their opinion. I know a closed mind when I see it. What I dont know is why. |
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