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Post by Einhorn on Dec 18, 2022 22:31:56 GMT
How can you expect me to point out just how wrong you are when you've banned us from posting the list from Yorkshire Bylines, Doc? If you like, I could post the list and highlight all the problems that you claim aren't being caused. How's about it? Well its a simple question that even you should be able to answer without posting debunked nonsense from Yorkshire Bylines. If harmonised standards are as important as you claim, then why have our exports to the EU where we have harmonised standards fallen while exports to countries where we dont have harmonised standards risen?. What leads you to believe that harmonised standards are that important?  Where did you debunk anything in the list, Doc? If you want another go, I can post it again. It's a bit rich you coming on here saying no harm is being done while simultaneously denying the opportunity to disprove you. As for the rest, we've been through that before, Doc. If other countries have different standards, that means they won't allow goods into their country without examination to determine they are up to their standard. That is a trade barrier. It means delays and also lots of red tape, adding to the cost of the goods and making them less competitive. It's also the case that a business wishing to sell in the EU doesn't have to carry out expensive investigations to ensure that his/her goods are compliant with the requirements in 27 countries. Only one set of regulations need be checked. It's also easier to manufacture goods to one standard, rather than 27. The advantages are obvious, they shouldn't need stating. Lift your ban on the Bylines list and I'll show you several dozen examples (at least) of the affects of these restrictions. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 18, 2022 22:38:48 GMT
As for the rest, we've been through that before, Doc. If other countries have different standards, that means they won't allow goods into their country without examination to determine they are up to their standard. That is a trade barrier. It means delays and also lots of red tape, adding to the cost of the goods and making them less competitive. It's also the case that a business wishing to sell in the EU doesn't have to carry out expensive investigations to ensure that his/her goods are compliant with the requirements in 27 countries. Only one set of regulations need be checked. It's also easier to make manufacture goods to one standard, rather than 27. The advantages are obvious, they shouldn't need stating. Lift your ban on the Bylines list and I'll show you several dozen examples (at least) of the affects of these restrictions. You keep repeating that but it doesnt explain why our exports to countries where we have common standards have fallen. Care to have another bash? |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 18, 2022 22:47:39 GMT
As for the rest, we've been through that before, Doc. If other countries have different standards, that means they won't allow goods into their country without examination to determine they are up to their standard. That is a trade barrier. It means delays and also lots of red tape, adding to the cost of the goods and making them less competitive. It's also the case that a business wishing to sell in the EU doesn't have to carry out expensive investigations to ensure that his/her goods are compliant with the requirements in 27 countries. Only one set of regulations need be checked. It's also easier to make manufacture goods to one standard, rather than 27. The advantages are obvious, they shouldn't need stating. Lift your ban on the Bylines list and I'll show you several dozen examples (at least) of the affects of these restrictions. You keep repeating that but it doesnt explain why our exports to countries where we have common standards have fallen. Care to have another bash? Would those countries with which there are common standards be in the EU by any chance, Doc? If exports to them have fallen, it's hardly any surprise given the hoops they have to jump through now. Again, allow the list to be posted and I will point out lots of examples. There's absolutely no point arguing any of this with you, because you get to decide what evidence can be adduced against your position. My understanding is that we're allowed to criticise mod decisions, but we can't ignore them. I'm not ignoring your ban. I won't post the list, but I'm going to exercise the right all members have to criticise your decision. As I said, there's just no point debating any of this with you while you control what can be used to disprove your position. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 19, 2022 7:44:26 GMT
You keep repeating that but it doesnt explain why our exports to countries where we have common standards have fallen. Care to have another bash? Would those countries with which there are common standards be in the EU by any chance, Doc? If exports to them have fallen, it's hardly any surprise given the hoops they have to jump through now. Again, allow the list to be posted and I will point out lots of examples. There's absolutely no point arguing any of this with you, because you get to decide what evidence can be adduced against your position. My understanding is that we're allowed to criticise mod decisions, but we can't ignore them. I'm not ignoring your ban. I won't post the list, but I'm going to exercise the right all members have to criticise your decision. As I said, there's just no point debating any of this with you while you control what can be used to disprove your position. I don't know which is worse, posting the list or repetitiously demanding the list be posted; cut it out ffs. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 19, 2022 7:50:37 GMT
You keep repeating that but it doesnt explain why our exports to countries where we have common standards have fallen. Care to have another bash? Would those countries with which there are common standards be in the EU by any chance, Doc? If exports to them have fallen, it's hardly any surprise given the hoops they have to jump through now. What do you mean 'now' - as the graph clearly shows our exports were falling for years before we left the EU. So do you want to have a go at answering the question or is it just a plea to post debunked bollocks from Yorkshire Bylines again? |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 19, 2022 10:15:38 GMT
Harmonised standards means that every EU country produces specified standards of goods AND SERVICES.
Businesses in a non EU country which trades through the WTO can decide where it invests. Countries don't trade with each other, they agree the terms and conditions that BUSINESSES use to trade under.
The graph above represents a success for EU businesses and clearly shows a growth in the EU's overall trade with non EU countries with which they have made more trade deals and which expect EU standards in their imports from the 27 , which is why they trade with EU countries.
The EU always planned to enlarge its trading partners. Why settle for just 27?
But those trade deals also lay down agreed standards for the non EU countries too so that EU consumers know what they consume is up to EU standards. They help non EU countries to meet high standards and squeeze out poor quality.
Countries outside the 27 do match EU standards by way of trade agreements.
There are more trade agreements than there are EU members, so it is quite expected that trade grows outside the single market.
The UK's exports to the 27 weren't falling, they were overtaken by the UK's trade with non EU countries via EU trade deals.
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 19, 2022 10:35:55 GMT
Would those countries with which there are common standards be in the EU by any chance, Doc? If exports to them have fallen, it's hardly any surprise given the hoops they have to jump through now. What do you mean 'now' - as the graph clearly shows our exports were falling for years before we left the EU. So do you want to have a go at answering the question or is it just a plea to post debunked bollocks from Yorkshire Bylines again? When was it debunked, Doc? Baron debunked one at one point. That's it. There are literally hundreds left. And each is based on a newspaper article. Your original objection was that the list is troublesome to scroll past and annoying when it appears in the middle of a conversation. That objection doesn't hold up when the list is in a thread of its own. So, do you have any objection to it having its own thread. That thread could be updated monthly rather than creating a new thread each time. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 19, 2022 10:38:19 GMT
Would those countries with which there are common standards be in the EU by any chance, Doc? If exports to them have fallen, it's hardly any surprise given the hoops they have to jump through now. Again, allow the list to be posted and I will point out lots of examples. There's absolutely no point arguing any of this with you, because you get to decide what evidence can be adduced against your position. My understanding is that we're allowed to criticise mod decisions, but we can't ignore them. I'm not ignoring your ban. I won't post the list, but I'm going to exercise the right all members have to criticise your decision. As I said, there's just no point debating any of this with you while you control what can be used to disprove your position. I don't know which is worse, posting the list or repetitiously demanding the list be posted; cut it out ffs. I love you. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 19, 2022 10:44:02 GMT
Entering a binding agreement is part of the process of regaining sovereignty. The hallmark of sovereignty is doing exactly as you please within your internationally recognised borders. They can override the courts now they have revoked the 1972 act which was always the basis of the ceding of sovereignty to others which of course is what I have repeatedly said. One cannot be sovereign and not sovereign at the same time. You are sovereign, if you lock yourself in a room with others and work together you are not sovereign until you release yourself from the room and regain your sovereignty irrespective of how the others feel. The UK was losing sovereignty as the process of binding was underway. Eventually we would have been unable to leave due to all the complications, perhaps that was the plan, political and monetary union. You don't understand what sovereignty means, Sandy. I get it. LOL, there's the kettle calling the pot black. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 19, 2022 10:56:39 GMT
Harmonised standards means that every EU country produces specified standards of goods AND SERVICES. One homogenous mass of sameness, one currency, one anthem, one unelected president, one court, one law. No differences, no dissimilarity, no individuality, no distinction. Each subservient EU state increasingly governed from Brussels, the capital of the United States of Europe. This may be your idea of the future, it's my idea of hell and I assure you Einy, I'm in good company. Thank god we are out of it. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 19, 2022 11:00:56 GMT
Harmonised standards means that every EU country produces specified standards of goods AND SERVICES. One homogenous mass of sameness, one currency, one anthem, one unelected president, one court, one law. No differences, no dissimilarity, no individuality, no distinction. Each subservient EU state increasingly governed from Brussels, the capital of the United States of Europe. This may be your idea of the future, it's my idea of hell and I assure you Einy, I'm in good company. Thank god we are out of it. Try travelling around Europe, Red. It's far from the same, just as the different nations within the UK are different. And don't pretend that you noticed the vast majority of regulations introduced via the EU. You're not in business, so they didn't affect you. If I asked you to describe the law before and after the trade mark regulations were introduced, you wouldn't have a clue. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 19, 2022 11:01:41 GMT
You don't understand what sovereignty means, Sandy. I get it. LOL, there's the kettle calling the pot black. Red, you don't have the first idea what you're talking about. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 19, 2022 11:17:56 GMT
One homogenous mass of sameness, one currency, one anthem, one unelected president, one court, one law. No differences, no dissimilarity, no individuality, no distinction. Each subservient EU state increasingly governed from Brussels, the capital of the United States of Europe. This may be your idea of the future, it's my idea of hell and I assure you Einy, I'm in good company. Thank god we are out of it. Try travelling around Europe, Red. It's far from the same, just as the different nations within the UK are different. And don't pretend that you noticed the vast majority of regulations introduced via the EU. You're not in business, so they didn't affect you. If I asked you to describe the law before and after the trade mark regulations were introduced, you wouldn't have a clue. I travelled around Europe before and after the EU removed borders, flooded Europe with migrants or 'harmonised currencies'. In those days European countries had an identity, their own identity. They felt different to other European countries. These days you could be sitting in any town square drinking the same beer bought with the same currency in any EU state across Europe, and you can drive to any of them without showing a passport or any form of ID, which is great for illegals and terrorists. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 19, 2022 11:24:15 GMT
Try travelling around Europe, Red. It's far from the same, just as the different nations within the UK are different. And don't pretend that you noticed the vast majority of regulations introduced via the EU. You're not in business, so they didn't affect you. If I asked you to describe the law before and after the trade mark regulations were introduced, you wouldn't have a clue. I travelled around Europe before and after the EU removed borders, flooded Europe with migrants or 'harmonised currencies'. In those days European countries had an identity, their own identity. They felt different to other European countries. These days you could be sitting in any town square drinking the same beer bought with the same currency in any EU state across Europe, and you can drive to any of them without showing a passport or any form of ID, which is great for illegals and terrorists. And it all worked so well, didn't it, Red? All that wonderful nationalism was an outstanding success for all concerned. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 19, 2022 11:26:26 GMT
Try travelling around Europe, Red. It's far from the same, just as the different nations within the UK are different. And don't pretend that you noticed the vast majority of regulations introduced via the EU. You're not in business, so they didn't affect you. If I asked you to describe the law before and after the trade mark regulations were introduced, you wouldn't have a clue. I travelled around Europe before and after the EU removed borders, flooded Europe with migrants or 'harmonised currencies'. In those days European countries had an identity, their own identity. They felt different to other European countries. These days you could be sitting in any town square drinking the same beer bought with the same currency in any EU state across Europe, and you can drive to any of them without showing a passport or any form of ID, which is great for illegals and terrorists. A hard border between Northern Ireland and Eire will see a resurgence in terrorism. European countries still have their own identities. Unless you think Spain is indistinguishable from Germany or Ireland is just like Greece. |
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