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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 4, 2024 15:19:21 GMT
...Money has to come from somewhere Indeed it does, and on this occasion the money came from old age pensioners who have lost their winter fuel payment so Starmer can give a £10,000 pay rise to train drivers, who were already being paid £60,000 for a four day week. One would think this government couldn't go much lower, but don't hold your breath. There's plenty of time. |
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Post by patman post on Sept 4, 2024 15:47:10 GMT
...Money has to come from somewhere Indeed it does, and on this occasion the money came from old age pensioners who have lost their winter fuel payment so Starmer can give a £10,000 pay rise to train drivers, who were already being paid £60,000 for a four day week. One would think this government couldn't go much lower, but don't hold your breath. There's plenty of time. The universal fuel allowance to pensioners was always wrongly applied. It should have been part of the state pension and thus taxable to those whose income was above the personal allowance. The Treasury reckons that coming pension increases will give raises of up to £400 above inflation… |
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Post by Rebirth on Sept 4, 2024 16:41:38 GMT
Money has to come from somewhere They have plenty of money to quirt around elsewhere Billions on foreign 'climate change' subsidies (guffery), public sector ect It looks to me like pensioners have been identified as a political enemy They're mostly white and tend to be more clued up. Labour is focused on brainwashing the youth.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 4, 2024 17:01:34 GMT
Indeed it does, and on this occasion the money came from old age pensioners who have lost their winter fuel payment so Starmer can give a £10,000 pay rise to train drivers, who were already being paid £60,000 for a four day week. One would think this government couldn't go much lower, but don't hold your breath. There's plenty of time. The universal fuel allowance to pensioners was always wrongly applied. It should have been part of the state pension and thus taxable to those whose income was above the personal allowance. The Treasury reckons that coming pension increases will give raises of up to £400 above inflation…No they dont |
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Post by patman post on Sept 4, 2024 18:40:10 GMT
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Post by sandypine on Sept 4, 2024 18:56:36 GMT
That is not the way I read it. It will be an above inflation rise. That will in cash terms be over £400. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 4, 2024 21:25:36 GMT
The highest of the 3 criteria is average earnings. Average earnings rises are currently running at about 5% - the inflation rate is currently running at 2.2%. So a 2.8% increase above inflation is £321 - so take off the winter fuel payment and that is a rise of £121 or £2.30 a week Dont spend it all at once..  |
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Post by witchfinder on Sept 4, 2024 21:48:11 GMT
So this year pensioners were given a huge increase of 8% equating to an extra £900 per year
Figures released to today indicate that next year pensioners will get £400 + rise in pensions
Both rises way above the inflation figure, a combined total of £1300 in two years, the Winter Fuel Allowance is a maximum of £300.
No wonder that pensioners are THE most well off section of society, far better off than many young, working families with children who struggle to make endes meet.
As stated before, its a luxury we can no longer aford, and in most cases is not needed
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Post by Bentley on Sept 4, 2024 21:51:50 GMT
So this year pensioners were given a huge increase of 8% equating to an extra £900 per year Figures released to today indicate that next year pensioners will get £400 + rise in pensions Both rises way above the inflation figure, a combined total of £1300 in two years, the Winter Fuel Allowance is a maximum of £300. No wonder that pensioners are THE most well off section of society, far better off than many young, working families with children who struggle to make endes meet. As stated before, its a luxury we can no longer aford, and in most cases is not needed Some pensioners. The state pension isn’t enough to make them all THE most well off. Don’t post false shit. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 4, 2024 21:59:55 GMT
So this year pensioners were given a huge increase of 8% equating to an extra £900 per year Figures released to today indicate that next year pensioners will get £400 + rise in pensions Both rises way above the inflation figure, a combined total of £1300 in two years, the Winter Fuel Allowance is a maximum of £300. No wonder that pensioners are THE most well off section of society, far better off than many young, working families with children who struggle to make endes meet. As stated before, its a luxury we can no longer aford, and in most cases is not needed LOL - I can remember when the Labour Party were campaigning for UK Pensions to be raised to the same level as the rest of Europe. Now the Labour Party think that pensioners are a luxury we cannot afford... ..how times change.  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 5, 2024 9:14:08 GMT
Indeed it does, and on this occasion the money came from old age pensioners who have lost their winter fuel payment so Starmer can give a £10,000 pay rise to train drivers, who were already being paid £60,000 for a four day week. One would think this government couldn't go much lower, but don't hold your breath. There's plenty of time. The universal fuel allowance to pensioners was always wrongly applied. It should have been part of the state pension and thus taxable to those whose income was above the personal allowance. The Treasury reckons that coming pension increases will give raises of up to £400 above inflation… After reading Pacifico's excellent rebuttal of your ill informed post above, I feel any further input from me would be superfluous. But thanks anyway.  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 5, 2024 9:22:20 GMT
So this year pensioners were given a huge increase of 8% equating to an extra £900 per year Figures released to today indicate that next year pensioners will get £400 + rise in pensions Both rises way above the inflation figure, a combined total of £1300 in two years, the Winter Fuel Allowance is a maximum of £300. No wonder that pensioners are THE most well off section of society, far better off than many young, working families with children who struggle to make endes meet. As stated before, its a luxury we can no longer aford, and in most cases is not needed Britain's state pension is 'one of the worst in Europe - link |
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Post by witchfinder on Sept 5, 2024 10:48:07 GMT
Comparing state pensions without other considerations gives you a false understanding or impression of British pensioners.
We also have Pension Credits, Housing Support, Council Tax Support, for example most pensioners on only basic state pension who pay rent, will get all or most of their rent paid. Other minor benefits such as Cold Weather Payments, Carers Allowances, Free Bus Travel.
I accept that going back to the 1990s pensioners were not very well off generally, but BOTH governments have lifted pensioners from where they were into a much better position today, and with guaranteed generous rises annualy, its time to withdraw some payments due to the financial mess that the country is in.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 5, 2024 10:56:09 GMT
'its time to withdraw some payments due to the financial mess that the country is in'OK, in the spirit of compromise - remove the 25 pence per week uplift you get when you turn 80..
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Post by Bentley on Sept 5, 2024 11:08:59 GMT
Comparing state pensions without other considerations gives you a false understanding or impression of British pensioners. We also have Pension Credits, Housing Support, Council Tax Support, for example most pensioners on only basic state pension who pay rent, will get all or most of their rent paid. Other minor benefits such as Cold Weather Payments, Carers Allowances, Free Bus Travel. I accept that going back to the 1990s pensioners were not very well off generally, but BOTH governments have lifted pensioners from where they were into a much better position today, and with guaranteed generous rises annualy, its time to withdraw some payments due to the financial mess that the country is in. Bus passes ( when applicable), Prescriptions and ( afaik) carers allowance are not means tested . The rest are ( afaik). So they go to the poorest pensioners . Once again you are posting a deliberately false impression. Pensioners supplement a rather meagre state pension with savings and private pensions . |
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