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Post by see2 on Aug 27, 2024 14:25:57 GMT
Once upon a time the Labour Party were frequently accused of either borrowing too much money, or spending what we cannot aford, or bankrupting the economy, or tax and spend. Funny how the legacy of a Conservative government has left a £22 Billion black hole in the nations finances, and on top of that has also left public services in a complete mess. The new government have got two mammoth tasks to try and perform (1) repair the deficit and (2) repair the damage to public services, particularly our NHS. The last government ignored these problems, they did nothing about it, they watched the NHS sink ( as usual ), and sat by and let it sink. But the British public expect the NHS to be properly funded, to work for them, and to get medical help within a reasonable time frame. Money has to come from somewhere Given that many of you are still blaming Mrs T, how do long do you think that this government will be blaming the last one? Mrs. Thatcher's failures were brushed under the carpet by Tory propagandists despite the social damage she did, and the Economic damage she did which is still robbing the economy of millions of (Dollars) Pounds each year. (privatising North Sea oil and Natural Gas).
The government should criticise the last government at least while the economic black hole exists. There should be no escape from the causes of the hard economic decisions this government will have to take. |
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Post by see2 on Aug 27, 2024 14:27:59 GMT
Grow up for goodness sake. Labour are being honest and truthful they said all the difficult but considered necessary decisions would be taken in the early years of the government. A government cannot in reality tackle many of the problems without first addressing that which is increasing costs for little or no gain and that is immigration both legal and illegal. It is not just costs either it increases social pressures, more call on services and infrastructure and will increase his major bugbear which is the rise of the far right however you define them.It is like bailing out a leaky boat in that all hands are called to the pumps and to baling but the actual leak is ignored. The government has made clear that which it intends to do about immigration. Only time will tell if they get it right or wrong. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 27, 2024 14:28:07 GMT
Given that many of you are still blaming Mrs T, how do long do you think that this government will be blaming the last one? Mrs. Thatcher's failures were brushed under the carpet by Tory propagandists despite the social damage she did, and the Economic damage she did which is still robbing the economy of millions of (Dollars) Pounds each year. (privatising North Sea oil and Natural Gas).
The government should criticise the last government at least while the economic black hole exists. There should be no escape from the causes of the hard economic decisions this government will have to take. Still harping on about Thatcher the antics of those desperate to defend the Labour nasty party. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 27, 2024 14:28:27 GMT
Opposition is entirely understandable even expected. IIRC the government has let it be known all the hard decisions will be taken early on in the first years of government. I see there will be some tinkering about the cuts when it comes to those just above the cut off line. Whatever it is it certainly isn't socialism, but then the Government claims to be somewhere around the Centre-Left of politics. Just weeks before the election - Starmer accuses Tories of planning to scrap winter fuel payments, while secretly planning to do exactly the same - link |
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Post by see2 on Aug 27, 2024 14:31:55 GMT
Labour has been bankrupting the country since Harold Wilsons time. Not true, that is just part of Tory propaganda as the Tories, try to avoid the reality that they, the Conservatives, have dominated parliament for 70% of the time of the last 70 years. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 27, 2024 14:35:52 GMT
I realise how upset you will be, but sadly I must leave the bunfight, she has plans. As Oats famously said, I may be some time...
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Post by see2 on Aug 27, 2024 14:38:58 GMT
Mrs. Thatcher's failures were brushed under the carpet by Tory propagandists despite the social damage she did, and the Economic damage she did which is still robbing the economy of millions of (Dollars) Pounds each year. (privatising North Sea oil and Natural Gas).
The government should criticise the last government at least while the economic black hole exists. There should be no escape from the causes of the hard economic decisions this government will have to take. Still harping on about Thatcher the antics of those desperate to defend the Labour nasty party. Does the fact that the economy has been losing millions of Dollars every year since 1990 including last year and soon to be this year and next year and so on, thanks to Thatcher's policies, not bother you? Do you think that this information is not relevant to today's economy? |
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Post by see2 on Aug 27, 2024 14:40:35 GMT
I realise how upset you will be, but sadly I must leave the bunfight, she has plans. As Oats famously said, I may be some time...  |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 27, 2024 15:11:23 GMT
Still harping on about Thatcher the antics of those desperate to defend the Labour nasty party. Does the fact that the economy has been losing millions of Dollars every year since 1990 including last year and soon to be this year and next year and so on, thanks to Thatcher's policies, not bother you? Do you think that this information is not relevant to today's economy? Why the bloody hell are you going on about Dollars?
She wasn't Prime Minister after 1990, it was John Major, whatever Thatcher did prior to 1990 has no impact whatsoever on today's politics, you are clutching at straws in defending the nasty Labour party, and in doing so are giving us all a big laugh at your foolishness.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 27, 2024 17:05:18 GMT
This was entirely predictable when you looked at the lies that Starmer made to get elected as Party Leader - did anyone really expect him to start being honest and truthful now that he is PM?. Grow up for goodness sake. Labour are being honest and truthful they said all the difficult but considered necessary decisions would be taken in the early years of the government. We had an election just 7 weeks ago - funny that Labour said nothing about means testing winter fuel payments during that election. Their dishonesty is there for all to see. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 27, 2024 20:51:42 GMT
I realise how upset you will be, but sadly I must leave the bunfight, she has plans. As Oats famously said, I may be some time... I knew you'd be distraught, stop blubbing, I'm back. Okeydokey, lefties who have a some backbone left and havent run off to the other place, form a queue here. I'm in a sparring sort of a mood...  |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 27, 2024 22:18:49 GMT
Grow up for goodness sake. Labour are being honest and truthful they said all the difficult but considered necessary decisions would be taken in the early years of the government. We had an election just 7 weeks ago - funny that Labour said nothing about means testing winter fuel payments during that election. Their dishonesty is there for all to see. Tories made ‘ em do it . |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 28, 2024 6:50:23 GMT
I see that pensioners living in the EU will still be getting the WFP - irrespective of their income. So a pensioner spending the winter in the South of Spain (average temp 20c) gets £300 whilst a pensioner freezing their nuts off in the frozen north of the UK gets zilch..
..another well thought out Labour policy..
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 28, 2024 7:16:02 GMT
I see that pensioners living in the EU will still be getting the WFP - irrespective of their income. So a pensioner spending the winter in the South of Spain (average temp 20c) gets £300 whilst a pensioner freezing their nuts off in the frozen north of the UK gets zilch.. ..another well thought out Labour policy.. You couldn't make this shit up, Labour are making the rules up as they go along, why aren't they held to account like the Tories were? |
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Post by piglet on Aug 28, 2024 9:50:14 GMT
Hello Squeezed middle, Guy Fawkes was an interesting person and looked up his life story. When he was caught he was tortured horribly, i cant remember how, but you can imagine the horrors at the time, the rack etc. Even in all that pain and until he died he was still effing and blinding at whoever and the king etc. Now thats being hard.
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