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Post by Rebirth on Aug 29, 2024 21:39:57 GMT
No, he's talking about the scientific argumment as opposed to your fantasy ideology, which I suspect has a motive behind it. So where's the scientific evidence that an ethnically English kid raised on an Indian reservation would be culturally English? You're obviously ignoring the point. Nature and nurture aren't the same things but they do function together within an ethnic group. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 29, 2024 21:41:20 GMT
Well we know that does not happen - we have 300 years of empire to prove that. Europeans in Shanghai or Hong Kong who had babies did not raise culturally Chinese children. Same in Singapore - they didn't become Malaysian, same in Aden - then didn't become Arab, same in Delhi - they didn't become Indian, same in any other foreign country you care to mention. I spent a lot of time in the Middle East, and no child born and raised there by western parents became culturally Arab. Which is the situation to this day. Born to western parents and raised in a culturally western enclave then yes they would be culturally western. So someone born to Pakistani parents in a culturally Pakistani enclave would not not be culturally British, they would be Pakistani - even though they popped out in Bradford. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 21:43:05 GMT
So where's the scientific evidence that an ethnically English kid raised on an Indian reservation would be culturally English? You're obviously ignoring the point. Nature and nurture aren't the same things but they do function together within an ethnic group. Where is the scientific evidence that one's ethnicity would manifest itself culturally if one is brought up in a culture different to one's ethnic heritage? |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 21:46:08 GMT
Born to western parents and raised in a culturally western enclave then yes they would be culturally western. So someone born to Pakistani parents in a culturally Pakistani enclave would not not be culturally British, they would be Pakistani - even though they popped out in Bradford. Possibly, although I think it would be very difficult if not impossible to insulate them from British culture. I'm assuming they are going to be going to an English speaking school for starters? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 29, 2024 21:49:56 GMT
Yes, of course it would. In that scenario I would have have French identity, be culturally French, speak French, I would 'be' French. As it happens, my son lives in France and is married to a French girl and I have a beautiful little French granddaughter. You would instantaneously be able to speak French? I think you may find that babies as they grow and develop learn to speak whatever language they're brought up with. |
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 29, 2024 21:52:18 GMT
You're obviously ignoring the point. Nature and nurture aren't the same things but they do function together within an ethnic group. Where is the scientific evidence that one's ethnicity would manifest itself culturally if one is brought up in a culture different to one's ethnic heritage? Perhaps you should be asking this to those who forced multiculturalism onto a preexisting culture. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 21:54:01 GMT
You would instantaneously be able to speak French? I think you may find that babies as they grow and develop learn to speak whatever language they're brought up with. Yes that's my point. You're English born and raised right? But if you found out tomorrow you were adopted and your biological parents were French but you were still born and raised in England you would still be English yes? |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 21:54:18 GMT
Where is the scientific evidence that one's ethnicity would manifest itself culturally if one is brought up in a culture different to one's ethnic heritage? Perhaps you should be asking this to those who forced multiculturalism onto a preexisting culture. Why? |
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 29, 2024 21:59:11 GMT
Perhaps you should be asking this to those who forced multiculturalism onto a preexisting culture. Why? Isn't it obvious? If not then you probably lack the instinct. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 29, 2024 22:16:23 GMT
I think you may find that babies as they grow and develop learn to speak whatever language they're brought up with. Yes that's my point. You're English born and raised right? But if you found out tomorrow you were adopted and your biological parents were French but you were still born and raised in England you would still be English yes? I think you're missing the point. Look, I sense this may be a tad sensitive, and I'm not a monster so I will put it like this... if as an adult I discovered I was adopted and my parents were not English, then regardless of how felt about it, it would make absolutely no difference to my identity. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 30, 2024 6:03:43 GMT
Yes that's my point. You're English born and raised right? But if you found out tomorrow you were adopted and your biological parents were French but you were still born and raised in England you would still be English yes? I think you're missing the point. Look, I sense this may be a tad sensitive, and I'm not a monster so I will put it like this... if as an adult I discovered I was adopted and my parents were not English, then regardless of how felt about it, it would make absolutely no difference to my identity. Same here, that's my point. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 30, 2024 6:31:38 GMT
No, he's talking about the scientific argumment as opposed to your fantasy ideology, which I suspect has a motive behind it. So where's the scientific evidence that an ethnically English kid raised on an Indian reservation would be culturally English? No one said he would be culturally English but may have different predispositions at odds with the culture he is raised in. I gave an example. Take the racial one. A white gene arose back in prehistory and those who had that gene in the northern climes survived the best and eventually only those with the white gene survived. Genes come with a multitude of hanger on genes some may be disadvantageous and die out some may be benign in terms of advantage but may affect behaviour and will carry on and become part of the behaviour of the cultural group. Such things may be in body language that is gene related and understood in the context of that cultural group but not understood outside the cultural group and will be noticed as different but how and why will be unknown it will be sensed. Take the general sideways head wobble when speaking of many sub continent people. I know not if it is nurture or nature but it may have a meaning within the cultural group if it is gene related and sensed by them but not understood outside the group. If those gene related body language attributes are sensed in a negative way then no matter how much nurture has happened a difference will be sensed. The evidence is loaded in many books from the Naked Ape to Manwatching from Morris and the whole of Dawkins output. |
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Post by Handyman on Aug 30, 2024 10:44:00 GMT
Having been posted to the Carnival in the past on a number of occasions it is not a pleasant situation to say the least, you can't move all you can do in that situation is get to a building and have a wall at your back and face the crowd, in my day we did not even have stab resistant vests nothing. In 76 if I recall correctly it was really dangerous it all kicked off when Officers were doing a simple stop near the edge of the Carnival all hell broke loose, bricks bottles bits of iron rained down on us but of course it was all the Mets fault for doing their job, late at night they issued us with WW2 Army Helmets , too little too late, about as much use as Tits on a Boar. Wind forward to today, CS or Pepper Spray, Stab Resistant Vests, Quick Cuffs, ASAP's, Riot Helmets with Visors, Flame Resistant Overalls, Fire Resistant Facial Masks. Body Cams The days of Bobbies walking the beat in a Big Hat a radion and Baton hidden in a pocket in their trousers went out the window back then and are gone for good " KINGSTON, Aug 14 (Reuters) - Jamaican Prime Minister Andrew Holness on Wednesday declared a state of emergency in the Caribbean nation's southern Clarendon parish after eight people were killed in separate gun attacks on Sunday night, including a seven-year-old boy. "This is an opportunity for the government to mobilize fully to have a very serious focus on gangs," Holness told a press conference at his office. "We cannot allow murders to be normalized in our country." The prime minister did not immediately detail what regulations would be imposed, but these can typically involve nightly curfews, longer detention periods without formal charges and the ability by police to search properties without warrants. Holness said he hoped the measure would prevent reprisal killings, saying intelligence had warned there was a "very high probability" of retaliation attempts. Five people have been arrested so far in relation with Sunday's shootings, Holness said. Jamaica last year ranked as the second-deadliest country in the Latin American and Caribbean region, according to a study by Insight Crime, with 60.9 homicides per 100,000 people, second only to the small island state of Saint Kitts and Nevis. Holness noted that while the number of gangs estimated to be active in the country has shrunk from 400 to 185 in five years, the figures remain "very high. The Caribbean Community (CARICOM) has been looking to clamp down on rising gun violence through stronger law enforcement and stemming imports of illegal firearms. Around 87% of guns traced in the Caribbean come from the United States, according to U.S. government data.😊 The United States advises its citizens to reconsider travel to Jamaica due to crime, and to avoid Clarendon altogether, ranking the parish as "off-limits" for its embassy personnel. " " A standing joke even back then was you can get mugged "robbery with violence " in the street in Tottenham and Brixton , get on a plane fly to Jamacia, America, or Africa and 8 hours later get mugged by their fecking cousins " |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 30, 2024 11:13:38 GMT
Having been posted to the Carnival in the past on a number of occasions it is not a pleasant situation to say the least, you can't move all you can do in that situation is get to a building and have a wall at your back and face the crowd, in my day we did not even have stab resistant vests nothing. In 76 if I recall correctly it was really dangerous it all kicked off when Officers were doing a simple stop near the edge of the Carnival all hell broke loose, bricks bottles bits of iron rained down on us but of course it was all the Mets fault for doing their job, late at night they issued us with WW2 Army Helmets , too little too late, about as much use as Tits on a Boar. Wind forward to today, CS or Pepper Spray, Stab Resistant Vests, Quick Cuffs, ASAP's, Riot Helmets with Visors, Flame Resistant Overalls, Fire Resistant Facial Masks. Body Cams The days of Bobbies walking the beat in a Big Hat a radion and Baton hidden in a pocket in their trousers went out the window back then and are gone for good " KINGSTON, Aug 14 (Reuters) - Jamaican Prime Minister Andrew Holness on Wednesday declared a state of emergency in the Caribbean nation's southern Clarendon parish after eight people were killed in separate gun attacks on Sunday night, including a seven-year-old boy. "This is an opportunity for the government to mobilize fully to have a very serious focus on gangs," Holness told a press conference at his office. "We cannot allow murders to be normalized in our country." The prime minister did not immediately detail what regulations would be imposed, but these can typically involve nightly curfews, longer detention periods without formal charges and the ability by police to search properties without warrants. Holness said he hoped the measure would prevent reprisal killings, saying intelligence had warned there was a "very high probability" of retaliation attempts. Five people have been arrested so far in relation with Sunday's shootings, Holness said. Jamaica last year ranked as the second-deadliest country in the Latin American and Caribbean region, according to a study by Insight Crime, with 60.9 homicides per 100,000 people, second only to the small island state of Saint Kitts and Nevis. Holness noted that while the number of gangs estimated to be active in the country has shrunk from 400 to 185 in five years, the figures remain "very high. The Caribbean Community (CARICOM) has been looking to clamp down on rising gun violence through stronger law enforcement and stemming imports of illegal firearms. Around 87% of guns traced in the Caribbean come from the United States, according to U.S. government data.😊 The United States advises its citizens to reconsider travel to Jamaica due to crime, and to avoid Clarendon altogether, ranking the parish as "off-limits" for its embassy personnel. " " A standing joke even back then was you can get mugged "robbery with violence " in the street in Tottenham and Brixton , get on a plane fly to Jamacia, America, or Africa and 8 hours later get mugged by their fecking cousins "
I used to work with a couple of Jamaican blokes in London about 20 years ago who said pretty much the same . |
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Post by Handyman on Aug 31, 2024 14:22:38 GMT
The woman who was at the Carnival with her child and was stabbed in the Groin has now died, the young Chef who was also stabbed has also died
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