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Post by sandypine on Aug 29, 2024 20:36:19 GMT
Nope. You are saying that just one example of an English child born and raised in an ethnic Egyptian Arab culture refutes the concept of an ethnically Egyptian Arab culture . Is that right? I'm saying that ethnicity and culture are two separate things, as demonstrated by the literally millions of examples of people that are ethnically one thing but culturally another. They are not separate, they are intertwined and you are still confusing ethnicity. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 20:36:37 GMT
Remind me again what your son's ethnic heritage and nationality are. Where have we mentioned Nationality. My son is ethnically English as he does not think he is anything else and other Englishmen do not believe he is anything else. He is of British Nationality, as I am, as you are and most people in Britain are. Your son is ethnically English despite having ethnically Scottish parentage? I await Bentley and co challenging this. Waiting. Waiting. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 29, 2024 20:37:30 GMT
Where have we mentioned Nationality. My son is ethnically English as he does not think he is anything else and other Englishmen do not believe he is anything else. He is of British Nationality, as I am, as you are and most people in Britain are. Your son is ethnically English despite having ethnically Scottish parentage? I await Bentley and co challenging this. Waiting. Waiting. You are still confusing ethnicity. I have not followed it all, and some seemed quite torturous, but remember he had mixed Scottish and English ethnicity parentage. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 29, 2024 20:38:08 GMT
Where have we mentioned Nationality. My son is ethnically English as he does not think he is anything else and other Englishmen do not believe he is anything else. He is of British Nationality, as I am, as you are and most people in Britain are. Your son is ethnically English despite having ethnically Scottish parentage? I await Bentley and co challenging this. Waiting. Waiting. You should debate on your own arguments , not pass it to others . You seem desperate. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 20:38:12 GMT
I'm saying that ethnicity and culture are two separate things, as demonstrated by the literally millions of examples of people that are ethnically one thing but culturally another. Nope. An individual outside of the ethnic group can reflect the ethnic culture but they would not be part of the ethnic culture . If 4 million people of the same ethnic group share the same values , culture and characteristics they have an ethnic culture . Others might reflect the culture but they will not be part of the ethnic group . Therefore they do not fully share the culture . I could make my way over to an Indian reservation in the US and mimic everything the Indians do . That wouldn’t make me an Indian . If you were born and raised in the Indian reservation you would be culturally Indian, I suspect nobody born and raised in England would regard you as culturally English. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 20:39:30 GMT
Your son is ethnically English despite having ethnically Scottish parentage? I await Bentley and co challenging this. Waiting. Waiting. You should debate on your own arguments , not pass it to others . You seem desperate. Ah, so there's a political reliability clause in your ethnicity argument? Which if so would suggest even you don't really believe what you're saying. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 29, 2024 20:42:38 GMT
Nope. An individual outside of the ethnic group can reflect the ethnic culture but they would not be part of the ethnic culture . If 4 million people of the same ethnic group share the same values , culture and characteristics they have an ethnic culture . Others might reflect the culture but they will not be part of the ethnic group . Therefore they do not fully share the culture . I could make my way over to an Indian reservation in the US and mimic everything the Indians do . That wouldn’t make me an Indian . If you were born and raised in the Indian reservation you would be culturally Indian, I suspect nobody born and raised in England would regard you as culturally English. If you were born on an Indian reservation you would be part of an Ethnic Indian culture . A person outside of the Ethinic Indian community could reflect/ mimic the culture but not be part of the Ethnic Indian culture . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 29, 2024 20:43:47 GMT
If you discovered tomorrow that you were adopted as a baby and your birth parents were French, would your British identity disappear in a puff of smoke? Yes, of course it would. In that scenario I would have have French identity, be culturally French, speak French, I would 'be' French. As it happens, my son lives in France and is married to a French girl and I have a beautiful little French granddaughter. |
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 29, 2024 20:44:05 GMT
Does it refute it or not? Refute what? The post you were responding to that asked the question, which you avoided. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 29, 2024 20:44:41 GMT
You should debate on your own arguments , not pass it to others . You seem desperate. Ah, so there's a political reliability clause in your ethnicity argument? Which if so would suggest even you don't really believe what you're saying. As I said , you should stand on your own arguments . You obviously can’t . |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 20:44:55 GMT
If you discovered tomorrow that you were adopted as a baby and your birth parents were French, would your British identity disappear in a puff of smoke? Yes, of course it would. In that scenario I would have have French identity, be culturally French, speak French, I would 'be' French. As it happens, my son lives in France and is married to a French girl and I have a beautiful little French granddaughter. You would instantaneously be able to speak French? |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 29, 2024 20:45:33 GMT
Nope. An individual outside of the ethnic group can reflect the ethnic culture but they would not be part of the ethnic culture . If 4 million people of the same ethnic group share the same values , culture and characteristics they have an ethnic culture . Others might reflect the culture but they will not be part of the ethnic group . Therefore they do not fully share the culture . I could make my way over to an Indian reservation in the US and mimic everything the Indians do . That wouldn’t make me an Indian . If you were born and raised in the Indian reservation you would be culturally Indian, I suspect nobody born and raised in England would regard you as culturally English. You might not be as you are ignoring genetic pressures from the ethnic group one was originally born from. It is a complicated messy business with no easy answers. People notice differences and genes in part control how one reacts to those differences. |
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 29, 2024 20:45:59 GMT
I'm saying that ethnicity and culture are two separate things, as demonstrated by the literally millions of examples of people that are ethnically one thing but culturally another. They are not separate, they are intertwined and you are still confusing ethnicity. Quite intentionally I might add. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 20:47:43 GMT
Ah, so there's a political reliability clause in your ethnicity argument? Which if so would suggest even you don't really believe what you're saying. As I said , you should stand on your own arguments . You obviously can’t . Right, so you give people a pass if you are in broad political agreement with them? If you genuinely believed what you were saying you would be challenging Sandy as strongly as you are challenging me. The fact that you aren't suggests that you are simply trolling. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 20:49:50 GMT
If you were born and raised in the Indian reservation you would be culturally Indian, I suspect nobody born and raised in England would regard you as culturally English. You might not be as you are ignoring genetic pressures from the ethnic group one was originally born from. It is a complicated messy business with no easy answers. People notice differences and genes in part control how one reacts to those differences. You're telling me an ethnically English kid raised in an Indian reservation to Indian parents would be speaking English, playing cricket and eating a full English every morning? Behave. |
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