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Post by sandypine on Aug 29, 2024 20:49:57 GMT
As I said , you should stand on your own arguments . You obviously can’t . Right, so you give people a pass if you are in broad political agreement with them? If you genuinely believed what you were saying you would be challenging Sandy as strongly as you are challenging me. The fact that you aren't suggests that you are simply trolling. I am not sure where he diverges largely from what I have said. I have not read all posts but largely there is no disagreement, is there? |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 29, 2024 20:52:40 GMT
As I said , you should stand on your own arguments . You obviously can’t . Right, so you give people a pass if you are in broad political agreement with them? If you genuinely believed what you were saying you would be challenging Sandy as strongly as you are challenging me. The fact that you aren't suggests that you are simply trolling. Nope. I haven’t followed Sandys argument. All I saw was a desperate poster trying to use me to make the argument for him ( you) …or he was simply trolling. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 20:55:17 GMT
Right, so you give people a pass if you are in broad political agreement with them? If you genuinely believed what you were saying you would be challenging Sandy as strongly as you are challenging me. The fact that you aren't suggests that you are simply trolling. Nope. I haven’t followed Sandys argument. All I saw was a desperate poster trying to use me to make the argument for him ( you) …or he was simply trolling. Sandy says despite having ethnically Scottish parentage his son is ethnically English. That would mean anyone of non-English parentage could be ethnically English right? |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 29, 2024 20:59:22 GMT
Nope. I haven’t followed Sandys argument. All I saw was a desperate poster trying to use me to make the argument for him ( you) …or he was simply trolling. Sandy says despite having ethnically Scottish parentage his son is ethnically English. That would mean anyone of non-English parentage could be ethnically English right? Instead of trying to use me to make your argument, you should be supporting your idiotic argument that one Non Ethnic American Indian baby introduced into the reservation refutes the concept of Ethnic American Indian culture . |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 21:01:21 GMT
Sandy says despite having ethnically Scottish parentage his son is ethnically English. That would mean anyone of non-English parentage could be ethnically English right? Instead of trying to use me to make your argument, you should be supporting your idiotic argument that one Non Ethnic American Indian baby introduced into the reservation refutes the concept of Ethnic American Indian culture . Like I said, the fact that you are being so selective as to who you apply your argument to suggests that you don't really believe it and are just trolling. I'll leave it there. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 29, 2024 21:02:59 GMT
You might not be as you are ignoring genetic pressures from the ethnic group one was originally born from. It is a complicated messy business with no easy answers. People notice differences and genes in part control how one reacts to those differences. You're telling me an ethnically English kid raised in an Indian reservation to Indian parents would be speaking English, playing cricket and eating a full English every morning? Behave. That is a bit silly but humorous none the less. I think I may be in part dealing with another thread but they are on the same lines. Cultures arise from people(s) and all the pressures that those specific peoples were faced with and what genetic pressures arose to help the survival of those people(s). It may be that the genetic pressure means Indians tend to conserve energy by putting on weight and not doing more than they have to whereas European ethnic/race may have a greater pressure to plan for winter and be extremely active in the autumn months. I am not saying this is the case but it is a possible difference that would jar with the culture within which it resided. |
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 29, 2024 21:07:23 GMT
You might not be as you are ignoring genetic pressures from the ethnic group one was originally born from. It is a complicated messy business with no easy answers. People notice differences and genes in part control how one reacts to those differences. You're telling me an ethnically English kid raised in an Indian reservation to Indian parents would be speaking English, playing cricket and eating a full English every morning? Behave. No, he's talking about the scientific argumment as opposed to your fantasy ideology, which I suspect has a motive behind it. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 29, 2024 21:07:46 GMT
Instead of trying to use me to make your argument, you should be supporting your idiotic argument that one Non Ethnic American Indian baby introduced into the reservation refutes the concept of Ethnic American Indian culture . Like I said, the fact that you are being so selective as to who you apply your argument to suggests that you don't really believe it and are just trolling. I'll leave it there. If you are claiming that not making your argument for you to another poster equates to trolling then your self entitlement is higher than I ever imagined….and that’s pretty high . |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 29, 2024 21:08:50 GMT
Nope. I haven’t followed Sandys argument. All I saw was a desperate poster trying to use me to make the argument for him ( you) …or he was simply trolling. Sandy says despite having ethnically Scottish parentage his son is ethnically English. That would mean anyone of non-English parentage could be ethnically English right? No I have not. Anyone can be ethnically English but they have to believe they are and be accepted by most other Englishmen as being that. That is ethnically English, not Nationally (as far as it exists) or just culturally as far as it exists. Race plays a part, much as people would like it not to. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 21:22:38 GMT
You're telling me an ethnically English kid raised in an Indian reservation to Indian parents would be speaking English, playing cricket and eating a full English every morning? Behave. No, he's talking about the scientific argumment as opposed to your fantasy ideology, which I suspect has a motive behind it. So where's the scientific evidence that an ethnically English kid raised on an Indian reservation would be culturally English? |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 21:23:16 GMT
Sandy says despite having ethnically Scottish parentage his son is ethnically English. That would mean anyone of non-English parentage could be ethnically English right? No I have not. Anyone can be ethnically English but they have to believe they are and be accepted by most other Englishmen as being that. That is ethnically English, not Nationally (as far as it exists) or just culturally as far as it exists. Race plays a part, much as people would like it not to. So one can sell identify as any ethnicity? |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 29, 2024 21:24:34 GMT
You denied toxic ethnic culture and by doing that you deny ethnic culture . Do you claim that the Jews , Irish and Scot’s do not have a culture based on their ethnicity ? Yes, because of you took an ethnically Irish, Scottish or Jewish baby and raised them in France they would be culturally French. Well we know that does not happen - we have 300 years of empire to prove that. Europeans in Shanghai or Hong Kong who had babies did not raise culturally Chinese children. Same in Singapore - they didn't become Malaysian, same in Aden - then didn't become Arab, same in Delhi - they didn't become Indian, same in any other foreign country you care to mention. I spent a lot of time in the Middle East, and no child born and raised there by western parents became culturally Arab. Which is the situation to this day. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 29, 2024 21:25:34 GMT
My grandparents:
1x Irish
1x Romany
1x English Christian
1x English Jewish (non practicing)
However, both of my parents were born and bred in London as I was.
I would consider myself ethnically English although my immediate ancestry is somewhat mixed.
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 21:30:59 GMT
Yes, because of you took an ethnically Irish, Scottish or Jewish baby and raised them in France they would be culturally French. Well we know that does not happen - we have 300 years of empire to prove that. Europeans in Shanghai or Hong Kong who had babies did not raise culturally Chinese children. Same in Singapore - they didn't become Malaysian, same in Aden - then didn't become Arab, same in Delhi - they didn't become Indian, same in any other foreign country you care to mention. I spent a lot of time in the Middle East, and no child born and raised there by western parents became culturally Arab. Which is the situation to this day. Born to western parents and raised in a culturally western enclave then yes they would be culturally western. If they were raised by middle eastern parents in a middle eastern neighborhood, school etc they would be culturally middle eastern. I used to work with a bloke who's father was evacuated from Dunkirk as a baby. He didn't speak a word of French. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 21:33:13 GMT
My grandparents: 1x Irish 1x Romany 1x English Christian 1x English Jewish (non practicing) However, both of my parents were born and bred in London as I was. I would consider myself ethnically English although my immediate ancestry is somewhat mixed. My father is Irish. However if SM can be ethnically English then so can I, right guys? |
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