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Post by sandypine on Aug 29, 2024 20:08:33 GMT
Only if you raised them within French Culture. Too often with multiculturalism the raising of a child is largely in a culture different from the French culture to which they are only partially exposed and often it is denigrated as being unworthy. So you agree cultural identity comes from the culture one is raised in and not ethnicity? I think you are confusing many things. Ethnicity is a sum total and in the end is in the main a belief of belonging to and being accepted by most others of the ethnic group to which one believes one belongs. Culture is an important part of that and unfortunately visual attributes of race play no small part either. A white man raised from a baby in a Zulu village with Zulu adopted parents would be hard to classify as ethnically Zulu, culturally he would probably fit in fine but he would not be considered ethnically Zulu. But that is the extreme and when racial differences matter little as they are fairly low level then ethnicity and culture are much more closely inter related. I am not sure what cultural identity is and there seems confusion as to what ethnicity is as culture is a part of how one defines ethnicity. The white man in Zululand is an ethnic minority irrespective of what you term his cultural identity but the darker he is is proportional to how accepted as ethnically Zulu he would be. |
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Post by bancroft on Aug 29, 2024 20:10:09 GMT
Can you imagine that situation if it was white football fans? Or as the clip said, a St Georges day parade. On these occasions policing is quite different.... ...yet the 'authorities' say we don't have two tier policing. It certainly looks that way. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 29, 2024 20:10:26 GMT
No it would be culturally Irish because was raised in an ethnically Irish community that reflects Irish culture . If the community was not Irish it would not reflect Irish culture. Nope.An Egyptian Muslim ( which is what you are getting at) community in the UK reflecting English culture would reflect second / third etc generation Egyptian Muslim migrant culture that reflects an Egyptian Muslim migrant community in the UK . Ok, so are you saying if you took an ethnically Irish baby, raised it in Russia to Russian parents, never told them about their Irish heritage and the kid never stepped foot on Irish soil it's whole life that kid would be culturally Irish? None of your post refutes the existence of ethnic culture . |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 20:12:37 GMT
Ok, so are you saying if you took an ethnically Irish baby, raised it in Russia to Russian parents, never told them about their Irish heritage and the kid never stepped foot on Irish soil it's whole life that kid would be culturally Irish? None of your post refutes the existence of ethnic culture . Yes it does, because someone of Irish ethnicity can be of Russian cultural identity. A person is born with an ethnicity, they aren't born with a culture. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 29, 2024 20:14:16 GMT
None of your post refutes the existence of ethnic culture . Yes it does, because someone of Irish ethnicity can be of Russian cultural identity. A person is born with an ethnicity, they aren't born with a culture. So you think your example refutes the concept of say Ethnic Arab culture ? lol. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 20:17:18 GMT
So you agree cultural identity comes from the culture one is raised in and not ethnicity? I think you are confusing many things. Ethnicity is a sum total and in the end is in the main a belief of belonging to and being accepted by most others of the ethnic group to which one believes one belongs. Culture is an important part of that and unfortunately visual attributes of race play no small part either. A white man raised from a baby in a Zulu village with Zulu adopted parents would be hard to classify as ethnically Zulu, culturally he would probably fit in fine but he would not be considered ethnically Zulu. But that is the extreme and when racial differences matter little as they are fairly low level then ethnicity and culture are much more closely inter related. I am not sure what cultural identity is and there seems confusion as to what ethnicity is as culture is a part of how one defines ethnicity. The white man in Zululand is an ethnic minority irrespective of what you term his cultural identity but the darker he is is proportional to how accepted as ethnically Zulu he would be. Remind me again what your son's ethnic heritage and nationality are. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 20:19:04 GMT
Yes it does, because someone of Irish ethnicity can be of Russian cultural identity. A person is born with an ethnicity, they aren't born with a culture. So you think your example refutes the concept of say Ethnic Arab culture ? lol. Yes, because an ethnically Arab baby born and raised in Russia by Russian parents would also be culturally Russian. Much like how Sandy's son is of ethnically Scottish parentage but is culturally English. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 29, 2024 20:21:54 GMT
So you think your example refutes the concept of say Ethnic Arab culture ? lol. Yes, because an ethnically Arab baby born and raised in Russia by Russian parents would also be culturally Russian. Much like how Sandy's son is of ethnically Scottish parentage but is culturally English. Nope. You are saying that just one example of an English child born and raised in an ethnic Egyptian Arab culture refutes the concept of an ethnically Egyptian Arab culture . Is that right? |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 20:27:38 GMT
Yes, because an ethnically Arab baby born and raised in Russia by Russian parents would also be culturally Russian. Much like how Sandy's son is of ethnically Scottish parentage but is culturally English. Nope. You are saying that just one example of an English child born and raised in an ethnic Egyptian Arab culture refutes the concept of an ethnically Egyptian Arab culture . Is that right? I'm saying that ethnicity and culture are two separate things, as demonstrated by the literally millions of examples of people that are ethnically one thing but culturally another. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 29, 2024 20:31:31 GMT
Nope. You are saying that just one example of an English child born and raised in an ethnic Egyptian Arab culture refutes the concept of an ethnically Egyptian Arab culture . Is that right? I'm saying that ethnicity and culture are two separate things, as demonstrated by the literally millions of examples of people that are ethnically one thing but culturally another. Smoke and mirrors, and it rather depends what country your talking about. |
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 29, 2024 20:33:18 GMT
Nope. You are saying that just one example of an English child born and raised in an ethnic Egyptian Arab culture refutes the concept of an ethnically Egyptian Arab culture . Is that right? I'm saying that ethnicity and culture are two separate things, as demonstrated by the literally millions of examples of people that are ethnically one thing but culturally another. Does it refute it or not? |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 29, 2024 20:33:55 GMT
I think you are confusing many things. Ethnicity is a sum total and in the end is in the main a belief of belonging to and being accepted by most others of the ethnic group to which one believes one belongs. Culture is an important part of that and unfortunately visual attributes of race play no small part either. A white man raised from a baby in a Zulu village with Zulu adopted parents would be hard to classify as ethnically Zulu, culturally he would probably fit in fine but he would not be considered ethnically Zulu. But that is the extreme and when racial differences matter little as they are fairly low level then ethnicity and culture are much more closely inter related. I am not sure what cultural identity is and there seems confusion as to what ethnicity is as culture is a part of how one defines ethnicity. The white man in Zululand is an ethnic minority irrespective of what you term his cultural identity but the darker he is is proportional to how accepted as ethnically Zulu he would be. Remind me again what your son's ethnic heritage and nationality are. Where have we mentioned Nationality. My son is ethnically English as he does not think he is anything else and other Englishmen do not believe he is anything else. He is of British Nationality, as I am, as you are and most people in Britain are. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 20:34:22 GMT
I'm saying that ethnicity and culture are two separate things, as demonstrated by the literally millions of examples of people that are ethnically one thing but culturally another. Smoke and mirrors, and it rather depends what country your talking about. If you discovered tomorrow that you were adopted as a baby and your birth parents were French, would your British identity disappear in a puff of smoke? |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 29, 2024 20:34:43 GMT
I'm saying that ethnicity and culture are two separate things, as demonstrated by the literally millions of examples of people that are ethnically one thing but culturally another. Does it refute it or not? Refute what? |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 29, 2024 20:35:32 GMT
Nope. You are saying that just one example of an English child born and raised in an ethnic Egyptian Arab culture refutes the concept of an ethnically Egyptian Arab culture . Is that right? I'm saying that ethnicity and culture are two separate things, as demonstrated by the literally millions of examples of people that are ethnically one thing but culturally another. Nope. An individual outside of the ethnic group can reflect the ethnic culture but they would not be part of the ethnic culture . If 4 million people of the same ethnic group share the same values , culture and characteristics they have an ethnic culture . Others might reflect the culture but they will not be part of the ethnic group . Therefore they do not fully share the culture . I could make my way over to an Indian reservation in the US and mimic everything the Indians do . That wouldn’t make me an Indian . |
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