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Post by Bentley on Aug 18, 2024 13:15:17 GMT
The advantage that autocracies have over ‘democracies is that they can plan long term.
We can’t .
China has had a long term plan since the fall of Mao.
Putin had a long term plan too.Unfortunately it was the wrong one at the wrong time .
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 18, 2024 13:35:20 GMT
I don't believe that any developed western economy 'needs' China with the possible exception of resourced-based economies like Australia and New Zealand which have little else to export.
Certainly everything that China itself produces could be produced in the west, the only reason China has been able to export successfully to the West is because it can produce many things cheaper, if not necessarily better.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 18, 2024 14:04:58 GMT
If you take a grand overview of human manufacturing from before the Industrial Revolution onwards, it has always been a matter of tools and later on machines. From the very first farming, man invented tools, and why the industrial revolution came along was because of the Age of Enlightenment where science and maths were popular. We learnt to create energy and direct that energy towards the operations of manufacturing through a complicated series of cogs, gears, leavers etc. By the late stages of the industrial revolution we had all the energy we needed, but there was always a limitation to do with control. The machines were never as dexterous as the human hand. Machines could easily be made to move much faster than the human and do it with much greater power, but from that point it became all a matter of developing the control systems to outperform the brain that drives the hands. This has gone from mechanical control to electromechanical, to digital computer control, and at each stage production has got vastly better. The last stage, which will replace all of human manufacturing work, will be intelligent control, where the intelligence will outperform the brain by many orders of magnitude, just as a 100 ton press can press something far more than the palm of your hands. So you would want to know who has all the patents on this eh? sure , but I was making the. point vinny appears to believe china is a great evil , but fails to understand china is the uks 6th biggest trading partner . I dont think there is too much you will buy in this day and age that doesn't somewhere somehow involve china. Yep, I'm just about to order myself a new "mini PC". The best one for my needs and best all round value for money is a product from Beelink. I just looked them up. They were established in 2011 in Shenzhen. www.bee-link.com/pages/company-profile In my experience, if you want the best tech and you don't have the unlimited resources of the taxpayer funding you, then Shenzhen always seems to be the place. If you read they about us page you will see typical Chinese company philosophy. Justice and fairness is one of them.
I think a lot of British firms would do well to understand the Chinese way of doing business and try it themselves. This country is getting a bad reputation for being suppliers run by scam artists. It's why they don't see the amazing growth of some better run tech firms. I think it is the public school, Johnson attitude. Sound flash, but sting your customers with unexpected fees whilst imaging you are smarter than they are by doing so. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 18, 2024 17:13:11 GMT
The Baron seems to have developed the view that since China is his preferred source for consumer gewgaws that is sufficient reason for the rest of the West to hew to his 'China does everything the Best' philosophy.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 18, 2024 19:12:09 GMT
The Baron seems to have developed the view that since China is his preferred source for consumer gewgaws that is sufficient reason for the rest of the West to hew to his 'China does everything the Best' philosophy. Nope. I started from a position of, I'll buy any computer that does the job I want doing the best. I use a CPU benchmark guide to figure out how big the bang you get for your bucks. I also referred to the reviews on YT which come from as wide range of people, so it is a good equaliser to get an honest and neutral view of the market. It turns out this little beast is up there at the top of the popularity charts. Not bad for a firm started only as far back as 2011.
Now if you want me to believe your shit then sorry, but I need accuracy in my research for my own financial and business interests. I'm doing fine as i am. One thing I learnt to do a long time ago is stop listening to the bloke down the British pub wisdom. Most of it is wrong. If you have ever tried to run a real business, as opposed to work for some capitalist who worries about that for you(or taxpayer!), then you would know you live or die on how you employ numbers. Numbers, as per quantitive measures, are the lifeblood. Buy the wrong equipment and you could screw up badly. Lots of things lie as well, even Ronseal paint. (bloody cowboys)
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Post by Vinny on Aug 19, 2024 5:15:49 GMT
Taking morality out of the equation is what scum do.
Putting morality back into the equation and dictatorships cannot be supported.
Even without morality in the equation, there's still the issue of it being a competitor, a rival that would have our arm off.
DIVEST it's for the best.
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 19, 2024 7:57:53 GMT
The Beelink Mini-PC the Baron has fallen in love with looks remarkably similar to the Intel NUC I bought ten years ago and that's still going strong. It even comes with an Intel CPU. Still I suppose the tin box was probably designed in China.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 19, 2024 8:17:38 GMT
The Beelink Mini-PC the Baron has fallen in love with looks remarkably similar to the Intel NUC I bought ten years ago and that's still going strong. It even comes with an Intel CPU. Still I suppose the tin box was probably designed in China. What a pathetic answer. It's the answer of a child. Mummy they look the same, so did one copy the other. Adults know the reason is they have common form factors. I'm not buying it for its looks anyway. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 19, 2024 8:26:06 GMT
Tell us then why you bought the Beelink rather than the Intel NUC or any of the numerous other clones.
Was it cheaper? Better? If yes, how?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 19, 2024 10:02:21 GMT
Tell us then why you bought the Beelink rather than the Intel NUC or any of the numerous other clones. Was it cheaper? Better? If yes, how? A lot of the chips have low benchmarks.
A popular one is the N100.
5506
This is a Ryzen 7.
21042
Which is 4x the speed. The faster they go the more power they use so the bigger the cooling system needs to be, but it is a a tiny box and another thing is the cooling must be quiet. They specify 32dbs. That's quiet. My German freezer is 36 and that is one of the quietest on the market. The price is very keen as well. It has wifi 6
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 19, 2024 10:14:07 GMT
The Ryzen CPU is an AMD product so not something designed and engineered in Shenzen.
You can certainly get a NUC-type mini PC with a Ryzen chip if that's what you want. You don't have to go all the way to China to buy one.
In fact the only reason to do so is if it's cheaper than anywhere else.
All this waffle about superior 'Chinese tech' is complete bollocks.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 19, 2024 10:18:41 GMT
Taking morality out of the equation is what scum do. Putting morality back into the equation and dictatorships cannot be supported. Even without morality in the equation, there's still the issue of it being a competitor, a rival that would have our arm off. DIVEST it's for the best. It gives a whole new meaning to being morally bankrupt. As a Brit in 50 years you could own nothing and be used as a slave, but you can say, oh well I thought what I was doing was moral, but I can't feed my children or my wife who are also sold into slavery.
Rather I would be the Brit who says, well we ate humble pie and admitted we were shit some 50 years ago, but the kind Chinese took pitty on us and gave us a little hand up when we were in difficulty. Now China is the richest country in the world and we are not, but we live comfortably, own our own house and run our own factory so we keep the middle class tradition alive.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 19, 2024 10:24:40 GMT
The Ryzen CPU is an AMD product so not something designed and engineered in Shenzen. You can certainly get a NUC-type mini PC with a Ryzen chip if that's what you want. You don't have to go all the way to China to buy one. In fact the only reason to do so is if it's cheaper than anywhere else. All this waffle about superior 'Chinese tech' is complete bollocks. It's the best value for money. I'm a capitalist, not a conman. I can't just go and rip my clients off and then spunk money on D & G to look like Posh Spice. In capitalism all things are sort to be optimised with the better faster cheaper motif. You are of the 'no one gets fired for buying IBM' generation. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 19, 2024 10:28:34 GMT
You have the same mindset as the myopic beancounters in the MoD who ordered the Royal Navy's tankers from Korea because they represented the 'best value for money'.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 19, 2024 10:29:50 GMT
You would have us slaves to China, Baron.
No thanks dear.
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