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Post by Vinny on Aug 16, 2024 9:19:55 GMT
We do have the capital to invest. And the idea of appeasing China, a dictatorship? Sorry, but NO.
SANCTION CHINA.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 18, 2024 9:55:36 GMT
We do have the capital to invest. And the idea of appeasing China, a dictatorship? Sorry, but NO. SANCTION CHINA. Here is the picture on investment. The largest R & D spending of a British firm is British Telecom. I don't know their latest budget but when I checjked the current year was close to a billion but historically it had not been greater than half a billion per annum. If we compare that to Huawei, they were investing 15bn/year and as the sanctions came in that peaked at over 20bn oi think I recall. What we can say is the investment China makes is at least an order of magnitude greater than the UK.
Lets look at another proxy: generative AI patents.
see this chart at 1:04 from WIPO
or this report from WIPO if you hate Youtube journalism.
If you are scared to click on a link, I'll just mention here the top one is Tencent at 2074, then we have two other Chinese firms at 1564 and 1234 and then at 4th position is the first US firm IBM at 601. Google's parent only makes 7th place with 443. The UK is nowhere on the list. Now that is the truth, so stop lying please.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 18, 2024 9:58:03 GMT
I don't care.
Sanction China.
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Post by piglet on Aug 18, 2024 10:19:05 GMT
There are greater values at stake than money, things that you wont get, and if discussed, all you would do is showcase your China thang. All of which from our perspective, dictates that our government regards any contact with China in the same way i would baulk at shaking hands with someone whos hands are covered in a crawling pox.
And a crawling pox is wot it is. An infection, an invite to evil, ushering in black winged demons, hell bent on destruction.....ours.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 18, 2024 10:43:51 GMT
I don't care. Sanction China. Yes I know you don't and that is why you end up suggesting bad stuff so often. I do care and I'm trying to help my fellow Brits to prosper.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 18, 2024 10:47:05 GMT
No dear, I don't suggest bad stuff, I don't want to sell us out to a dictatorship.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 18, 2024 10:52:00 GMT
There are greater values at stake than money, things that you wont get, and if discussed, all you would do is showcase your China thang. All of which from our perspective, dictates that our government regards any contact with China in the same way i would baulk at shaking hands with someone whos hands are covered in a crawling pox. And a crawling pox is wot it is. An infection, an invite to evil, ushering in black winged demons, hell bent on destruction.....ours. You make a good fiction writer. The wicked witch from the East will steal your children.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 18, 2024 10:53:34 GMT
No dear, I don't suggest bad stuff, I don't want to sell us out to a dictatorship. What is it we have not already sold out on left to sell? The UK is broke.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 18, 2024 10:56:43 GMT
Fuck dictatorships.
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 10:58:55 GMT
No dear, I don't suggest bad stuff, I don't want to sell us out to a dictatorship. What is it we have not already sold out on left to sell? The UK is broke. I dont think vinny is aware that the uk bought £64 billion worth of chinese goods in 2021 , and sold them 19billion worth of uk goods. Its a fanciful universe of unicorns and Elysian Fields our vinny lives in .
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 18, 2024 10:59:18 GMT
I think some women offer that service by dressing up in Nazi uniforms. I would not advise it.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 18, 2024 11:18:40 GMT
What is it we have not already sold out on left to sell? The UK is broke. I dont think vinny is aware that the uk bought £64 billion worth of chinese goods in 2021 , and sold them 19billion worth of uk goods. Its a fanciful universe of unicorns and Elysian Fields our vinny lives in . If you take a grand overview of human manufacturing from before the Industrial Revolution onwards, it has always been a matter of tools and later on machines. From the very first farming, man invented tools, and why the industrial revolution came along was because of the Age of Enlightenment where science and maths were popular. We learnt to create energy and direct that energy towards the operations of manufacturing through a complicated series of cogs, gears, leavers etc. By the late stages of the industrial revolution we had all the energy we needed, but there was always a limitation to do with control. The machines were never as dexterous as the human hand. Machines could easily be made to move much faster than the human and do it with much greater power, but from that point it became all a matter of developing the control systems to outperform the brain that drives the hands. This has gone from mechanical control to electromechanical, to digital computer control, and at each stage production has got vastly better. The last stage, which will replace all of human manufacturing work, will be intelligent control, where the intelligence will outperform the brain by many orders of magnitude, just as a 100 ton press can press something far more than the palm of your hands. So you would want to know who has all the patents on this eh?
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 11:23:28 GMT
I dont think vinny is aware that the uk bought £64 billion worth of chinese goods in 2021 , and sold them 19billion worth of uk goods. Its a fanciful universe of unicorns and Elysian Fields our vinny lives in . If you take a grand overview of human manufacturing from before the Industrial Revolution onwards, it has always been a matter of tools and later on machines. From the very first farming, man invented tools, and why the industrial revolution came along was because of the Age of Enlightenment where science and maths were popular. We learnt to create energy and direct that energy towards the operations of manufacturing through a complicated series of cogs, gears, leavers etc. By the late stages of the industrial revolution we had all the energy we needed, but there was always a limitation to do with control. The machines were never as dexterous as the human hand. Machines could easily be made to move much faster than the human and do it with much greater power, but from that point it became all a matter of developing the control systems to outperform the brain that drives the hands. This has gone from mechanical control to electromechanical, to digital computer control, and at each stage production has got vastly better. The last stage, which will replace all of human manufacturing work, will be intelligent control, where the intelligence will outperform the brain by many orders of magnitude, just as a 100 ton press can press something far more than the palm of your hands. So you would want to know who has all the patents on this eh? sure , but I was making the. point vinny appears to believe china is a great evil , but fails to understand china is the uks 6th biggest trading partner . I dont think there is too much you will buy in this day and age that doesn't somewhere somehow involve china.
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Post by piglet on Aug 18, 2024 11:36:32 GMT
Like Russia and its oil, that went well.
China is like Russia, it will preach being good, then do evil, secret like. The 5g thing would have been committing suicide if Huiaaaweaiiieaeaioiie got its way, how do you spell that. Selling trinkets is good etc, inviting in an aggressor is another thing, with access to vital services.
China is evil, evil muddies the water, makes not ok ok. Like the Baron. Russia IS EVIL, CHINA IS EVIL.
Capiche?
We can do trade with whoever, but be best mates....no. You dont get how business works, because we do trade doesnt mean we are politically aligned.
DOES IT.
CHINA IS EVIl. Try those roasted chicken feet. Breath that smog, dance in delight at 8,900 billion coal mines.
Celebrate China bullying Taiwan, Tianamen square.
Chi is just a fat bastard with the brain of a locust, oh, you get a lot over there.
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 11:38:29 GMT
oh dear.
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